The state's highest court reversed a judge's dismissal of the case involving embryos destroyed by a wandering Mobile hospital patient.

The state’s highest court reversed a judge’s dismissal of the case involving embryos destroyed by a wandering Mobile hospital patient.

  • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Alabama families who are struggling with fertility can now look forward to no fertility clinics willing to endure the legal risk of operating in that state.

    Great job republicans. These weird ass “pro life” laws continue to prevent people who want kids from having them, or prevent people from having them without dying.

    • ElleChaise@kbin.social
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      5 months ago

      Not to mention those who can afford to will simply leave to make families elsewhere. Making a child generally tends to rank higher on people’s priorities list than staying in one state forever.

    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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      5 months ago

      Well it seems they’re all in the illegal business of buying and selling children. They’ll have to all be prosecuted anyhow, including all the donors and buyers. Along with the state itself for allowing the selling of children for all these years.

      • not_again@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        Creation of embryos should happen entirely outside the body of the female, followed by decapitation of the male as God intended.

        Sincerely,

        P. Mantis, esq

    • flipht@kbin.social
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      5 months ago

      Seems like part of the goal. Outlaw abortion, force everyone who doesn’t want a child to hand it over to the state, which will outsource to religious organizations, and then tighten up the child supply so anyone who can’t have but wants a child will have to go through a local church to get access, and the price will go up.

      Win win win for the religious fanatics.

  • thantik@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Hold up, this sounds like unfertilized eggs. Does this mean that every period a woman has, where she passes an unfertilized egg is a wrongful death?! What in the FUUUUUCK…

      • thantik@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 months ago

        Ah okay - I never realized that distinction; or I did, but I’m having a moment. :D

        Additionally, I didn’t realize embryos could be frozen.

        • myster0n@feddit.nl
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          5 months ago

          Not only can they be frozen, but when they’re frozen and you drop them in coca cola light, they work even better than mentos!

          • thantik@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            5 months ago

            I’m guessing the distinction here that allows this is that the cells haven’t differentiated into more complex structures that could be damaged by cryogen.

      • Nepenthe@kbin.social
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        5 months ago

        True. Problem is, I would consider the question still valid on the basis that not every embryo successfully implants.

        IVF can up the odds of success by using multiple embryos at the same time in the hopes that at least one of them will work, which is why people who go for IVF sometimes end up having quadruplets and such.

        So every time one or more IVF attempts fail, what, they have to inform the government their 7th child in a row has died? Every post-coital period, do I hedge my bets?

        • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          5 months ago

          Agreed. That said, I was just correcting the above commenter on the biology. It looks like they didn’t actually know when an embryo became an embryo. And it’s after fertilization. And even then, many fertilized eggs don’t actually become embryos.

      • thantik@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 months ago

        I’m willing to admit when I’m wrong, but I promise you the world needs far less of people like me. I have far too many mental illnesses to count and don’t play nice with others; even though I have an optimistic view of what humanity COULD be, and a general disillusionment because of seeing what humanity currently is.

        But thank you all the same ;)

        • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
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          5 months ago

          Stfu, you’re mentally ill, you don’t know what we need more of in this world. MORE OF YOU, MORE OF YOU, MORE OF YOU. 🥰

          • thantik@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            5 months ago

            Thank you, you got a smile out of me and that’s more than most people achieve these days.

            • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
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              5 months ago

              Be kinder to yourself (only a little bit!). That world you’re hoping for involves more people like you, and each of them feeling less unneeded.

              Mental illness in a a very ill world can only mean so much. Eyes to the horizon, my friend.

  • Drusas@kbin.social
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    5 months ago

    The patient removed embryos from the freezer, and “it is believed that the cryopreservation’s subzero temperatures burned the eloping patient’s hands, causing him or her to drop the cryopreserved embryonic human beings on the floor, where they began to slowly die,” one of the filings stated.

    So the patient killed his or her frozen embryos and now they’re suing the clinic for wrongful death of a minor. Makes sense on so many levels.

    • SaiPenguin@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      No, that is not what the article says.

      I would recommend reading an article before trying to come to conclusions about what it means.

    • festus@lemmy.caEnglish
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      5 months ago

      This patient killed three other couple’s embryos, not their own. The clinic is being sued and I assume (can’t find confirmation) that this patient is also getting sued.

  • yesman@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    IVF results in children being born who otherwise would not have been. These are women who want to be pregnant and give birth. Yet, the pro-life movement is trying to destroy this kind of healthcare.

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      Well we are disproportionately likely to be born as abominations unto nuggan the lord, or as we’re called in lands of sin “intersex”.

      But seriously chimerism is more common among us IVF babies and that does mean that we’re more likely to have different cells have different sex chromosomes. Idk if these people know about that but it is something I can see them using as justification here.

      The catholic justification is that it never mattered if you wanted to make a child, what matters is if god wants you to. And if you really want a kid anyways adopt.

      • TheRealKuni@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 months ago

        abominations unto nuggan

        Excellent reference to an excellent book (Monstrous Regiment) from an excellent series by an excellent author.

        GNU Terry Pratchett.

    • sapient [they/them]@infosec.pub
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      5 months ago

      Its all bioreactionary stuff, really. Its always been about control and conformity to their idea of a “”“natural”“” role.

      Using technology to aid in reproduction is seen as bad because it’s doing something “”“nature”“”/“”“god”“” did not dictate you do as per their highly authoritarian worldview.

      Basically anything that would let you have agency over your body is hated by these people, because their real ideology is one of control, social and physical conformity, and obedience (to “god”, to what’s “natural”, to repressive social norms, to churches, to parents - these folks view children as property, to whatever hierarchy exists, to some strongman leader, etc. :/)

      The same logic applies to something as comparatively minor as hairdye or piercings - they always freak out about that stuff, ever notice? - to something as major as being trans or the state of someone’s uterus. Its all about control over people’s bodies and minds and identities to what they may deem “natural” (or often “godly”) (which usually involves hierarchies of prejudice as well as opposing any technological means to have control over yourself, and also opposing people’s access to information and critical thinking skills - e.g. promoting internet censorship often of queer groups <.<, or opposing science & critical thinking education).

      Anything that gives people the option to decide for themselves what they want - technologically, socially, informationally - rather than obeying some higher authority (“nature”, “god”, the state, corporations, parents, social norms) is opposed. Anything that demonstrates people have used those methods - such as any kind of transition stuff, miscarrages (because it “could” be due to abortificants nya), or the things mentioned earlier - is to be punished. Socially, monetarily, physically, legally, anything.

      • shneancy@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        half the shit they preach isn’t “natural” either!

        if they so want to be “natural” I’d like to see them barely dressed in scraps of leather fucking in the forest clearning and grunting at others for coming up to them when they’re eating, then dying of food poisoning because reading a plants guide is unnatural and that mushroom looked tasty. Ditch the cell phones, ditch the glasses, ditch the shoes, none of them are natural.

        it’s literally all arbitrary, all made up to fit their worldview

  • just_change_it@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Don’t forget kids, a miscarriage is murder.

    Slavery is freedom.

    Those with money are the only people who matter, and whoever has the most is the one who deserves to decide every aspect of how everyone else should live.

    • Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      Wow what a tax write off. Imagine claiming child tax credits on frozen embryos… You could just freeze a hundred or even thousands of embryos and watch the cash flow in perpetuity…

  • TengoDosVacas@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    I for one am sick and tired of everyone talking about freedom and 2A rights when nobody has done a single fucking thing about the obvious tyranny.

    There’s another thread begging us not to excoriate Alabama citizens because of a few corrupt politicians and religious wackos. NO. I was born there. My family are there. And they are a bunch of psychotic freedom-hating, gun-toting, bible-thumping neanderthal psychopaths just like their politicians are.

    Here are the facts: the people whining and complaining about this sit there and take it. It’s always someone else; it’s never the psychotic lunatics in their own family, so they take it. If only all those other people would speak up and do something.

    My brother has spent his lifetime campaigning for pro-life causes whenever he can because he went to a psychotic christian university. I don’t have anything to do with him. His only son killed himself at 13 in a gun mishap but he is masturbating FURIOUSLY over this AL SupCourt decision.

    This WILL continue until you ACTUALLY FIGHT IT. If you have no intention to or think that’s somehow barbaric, then sit down and shut the fuck up.

    • MataVatnik@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      2A fight has been lost decades ago. It now only is overweight larpers with their AR platforms. In order for the 2A to mean anything we need to build a national network of militias. Without that infrastructure an armed action or threat is just a lunatic with a gun

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        Lol.nope. Militias aren’t going to stand a a chance against the federal government and if we got invaded the military would be begging people to stop getting in the way of the world’s most efficient killing machine.

          • Maggoty@lemmy.world
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            5 months ago

            You’re assuming a lot there. All else being equal making a super militia is not going to swing things.

            • MataVatnik@lemmy.world
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              5 months ago

              Think of it more like a union. And armed forces arent necessarily the best vehicle for political change for obvious reasons, but rather they are good for protecting human rights from institutions that want to take them away. For instance, a pro choice militia that would protect a clinic, doctor, or patient from a state agency trying to arrest them and prosecute them. Also, it doesn’t need to end up in a shootout, a lot of military and defense is about hypothesis of conflict and the potential cost that comes with it. Sure, a federal or government institution could wipe the floor with the militia, but would it be worth it monetarily and politically?

        • knightly@pawb.social
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          5 months ago

          I love this argument, because in reality the U.S. government hasn’t won a military victory against an entrenched militia since Grenada. And that was just a tiny island. We couldn’t beat the taliban, who were armed with a bunch of cold war surplus gear.

          Even if the U.S. military and police forces wanted to fight a civil war against their own population, they would have to do so knowing that the American public has 100 guns for every soldier and cop.

          Tanks, planes, and drones can’t do much without soldiers on the ground to enforce an occupation.

          • Maggoty@lemmy.world
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            5 months ago

            I see you’ve fallen for the propaganda. The Taliban only came back after we left. And only because they had enough support from the people. AQ and ISIS are shattered. Al-Shabab is basically the FARC of East Africa now.

            I know you guys think you have some kind of “silent majority” but you really don’t. Given a choice between normalcy and living in an insurgency, most people will choose normalcy in a heart beat. So it won’t be the military vs the people. It will be the militias vs the people and their military. At best you’ll get sizeable chunks of some red state populations. Just imagine how thrilled the other 90% of the country is going to be that you chose violence. Yeah, they’re going to cheer videos of Apache gun cam footage on live TV. And you’ll still be clueless.

      • stoly@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        People love think that they would survive some dude flying a kamikaze drone from under a mountain.

  • 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works
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    5 months ago

    If embryos are children, then make it illegal to freeze them and lock them away in an ice box… That’s a cruel form of torture

  • madcaesar@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    bOtH sIdEs aRe tHe sAmE!!!

    The fuck they are. If you are a woman voting republican you are OK with other people telling you what to do with your body.

      • Demdaru@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 months ago

        Lol I was saying that back when these claims were sane.

        But that shit is waaaay out. Being a centrist, I guess I have to support “left” now…right went over horizon.

        • bradorsomething@ttrpg.network
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          5 months ago

          I’ve voted as a “compassionate conservative” for over 30 years, and without changing views I’m now a bit left of Biden. It’s been crazy to watch.

        • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
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          5 months ago

          My parents were watching 60 minutes last night and they discussed the stolen electors and the efforts to steal the election. To which ones response is that well Biden is so bad they still want him. When asked why they didn’t find another candidate there is nothing but that is who the GOP wants. They just say everything is a lie now so they can ignore whatever they chose and say the Democrats are just as bad. Pretty much “Both sides” as it gets.