… That’s not how Final Fantasy IX happened at all…
Definitely the best FF PS game.
You are a gentleman/woman and a scholar and a fine judge of classing video games.
Excuse me, Final Fantasy Tactics exists (and shouldn’t be counted really).
That is a great point. That game is so good!
Which one is this? I’ve only played Tactics on GBA and FF3 on the DS but your version sounds awesome
The OP is intended to describe FF7 but tbh it also applies to 13, 10 (although you’re taking down megareligion instead of megacorporation), and possibly also 8 and 9 which I haven’t played but have confirmed with light research that there are furries
I don’t recall any furries in 7.
There is a talking tiger thing, but it is not anthropomorphic, it’s just a big cat that can talk.
There’s also Cait Sith, which is a talking stuffed animal that I believe is actually a robot controlled by a human remotely. But also not really a furry.
There’s that scene where Hojo wants Red XIII and Aerith to, uh, breed in captivity?
Oh yeah lmao, definitely forgot about that!
The original Final Fantasy 7, considered by many fans to be the best of the series. No idea if the remake is any good.
The remake is good. Bonus you can see Cloud in drag costume in HD
I just finished that segment. Wasn’t sure how they’d translate it to the remake (I’ve lived under a rock to avoid any spoilers / controversy)
I was in tears laughing so hard I had to do it 3 times. glorious. They went HARD
Oh Tactics is such an underrated masterpiece. I really hope we get that rumored remaster soon. 3/6 is also amazing, super easy, but so well designed.
“Don’t blame us. Blame yourself, or God.”
No idea if the remake is any good.
It is good.
Best ending ever. Kefka blows up the world with a fucking laser.
Me: I’m here at the tower, I can save the world from kefka!
Kefka: imma charging my lasa beems
Thanks :) I’ve heard a lot of good things about 7 and I quite liked liked the advent children movie but didn’t recognize your original description. I guess I just have to play it.
Tactics is almost a comfort game by now for me, it’s so good
Edit: I think the FF3 for DS is a japanese FF3 remake though, it’d quite basic and punishing but worth a play through. The DS graphics where enjoyable
In this specific case, FF3/6 is the same game. 6 was the third game to be localized in English, so on the SNES it was sold as FF3.
By the time the DS rolled around they were calling it 6 everywhere. This personal.playedbthe Japanese 3. Also a great game btw.
Thing is: People used to just do this kind of stuff, thus normalizing it. These days, every fucking marketing department will drum up all the “hype” it can muster because LoOk At Us AnD hOw PrOgReSsIvE wE aRe! We DaRe To ShOw WhAt ShOuLd Be JuSt NoRmAl PeOpLe! We EvEn HaVe OnE oF tHeM hOmOsExUaLs AnD a WoMaN!
Yeah, congrats. I’m not complaining that we get female lead roles or homosexual romances or trans people or anything. I’m complaining that having those becomes the sole talking point about whatever medium they are in, and I’m complaining that while boasting how things have female leading roles, those female leading roles are written exactly like the dumbest male leading roles but with a woman portraying it. Think about it. The equivalent to Rey in Star Wars would be something along the lines of Silvester Stallone wielding 2 M-60-Machine guns while simultaneously mowing down nondescript Asian people in a nondescript and defintely not Vietnamese Jungle… Can I have lead female roles where the women are granted the right to be real fucking people for once?! You know… like women in real life who - and this has been scientifically proven - are real people?!
I mean, I remember the PS1 era. Drag and somewhat-fleshed-out female characters and anticapitalism weren’t exactly high on the list of common occurrences in games. It wasn’t ‘just done’, the Final Fantasy series from 6 onward were outliers (or trailblazers, if you prefer), and highly praised for presenting comparatively full and varied worlds.
I feel you about tokenism being shit, but the situation nowadays is… not a step back from how it used to be. It used to be much worse.
Shit… Did I romanticize the past? Fuck… I’m getting old. You are right about that… That’s how it begins, innit?
Kids today! Get off my damn lawn!
People absolutely did not used to do this sort of thing, the vast majority of video games were made by and for men and boys, starring men and boys. Just a completely delusional take on the history of video games.
They’re trying to market games to additional groups now, it isn’t just about you anymore, and that’s what annoys you so much. You essentially admitted it in this post. So sick of reading these tantrums constantly
Oh no, women get to have unrealistic power fantasies now too? How horrible. Just a hint, but there was never anything realistic about god damn Rambo. Get a grip and grow tf up already.
The problem is, that in movie, the women stronk archetype is toxic masculinity in a female package. I dislike the whole toxic masculinity because it is bland, boring and just overall not good for anyone. For example, Scully in The X Files is a strong female character without having to be demeaning, overpowered and just a plain twat. The problem is, and was, that certain things get crammed in your face and you are supposed to like it because otherwise you are INSERT_BAD_THING.
Anyone can be anything, but what if we treat people like people. Everyone is different. Labels are great for trying to understand each other but lately it has become very much a black and white kind of thing. For or against. If we can try to at least try to understand each others point of view, maybe the world can become less polarized.
Not OP, but as a man, I’d also love some more realistic portrayal of men, not always super hero dudes who can’t show real emotion or “weakness” (aka vulnerability). While I love a good power fantasy, not every men in every movie has to be like that.
How dare people fantasize in my space fantasy!!!
Why do you have a higher standard for characters that aren’t straight white men? If you don’t, then why specifically call out the poor writing you see in characters that aren’t straight white men as though making them straight white men would be passable, even if poorly written?
You’re literally terrorists.
Ecoterrorists.
The description from the wiki is so good.
Avalanche [note 1] is an organization in the Final Fantasy VII universe. It is an eco-terrorist insurgent group seeking to save the planet from the misuse of mako energy and opposing the actions of the Shinra Electric Power Company.
Fallout: The solution for the energy crisis is being held back by higher ups for pRoFiTs. WW3 goes hot. Everything gets nuked.
Horizon Zero Dawn: Dumbass techbro is responsible for killing everything on the planet down to the last microbe. Continues with a cultural genocide by deleting all of recorded history in the bunkers. Because he can and he is a dumbass.
Bioshock: A super capitalists wet dream goes plopp. Killing a shit ton of innocent people. (Possibly starting a nuclear war)
Oddworld: Unhinged capitalism destroying nature and enslaving the worlds inhabitants.
Cookie Clicker: Monopoly on cookies turn the whole universe (and possibly every other universe) into cookie matter. Everybody plays along because cookies taste nice.
Please tell me more about how politics in video games ruin video games.
Oddworld: Unhinged capitalism destroying nature and enslaving the worlds inhabitants.
“What do you mean the unhinged capitalist caricatures are making fun of capitalism’s drive for profit leading to self-cannibalizing processes??”
For some people, even ‘unsubtle’ isn’t enough.
Halo: religious aliens ruin humanity’s fun as they kill each other.
Religious Aliens are actually incredibly based, because they have launched a glorious crusade against the fascist chuds of the USMC who get caught with their pants down doing an ethnic cleansing of frontier planets in rebellion.
The USMC would get curbstomped by the UNSC marines though.
Especially if you gave the UNSC two sticks and a rock.
And Johnson. Can’t forget Johnson.
Now I wonder how many modern American tanks would be needed to scratch the paint of a scorpion xd
Fallout goes way further than that.
At every single opportunity, Bourgeoisie are depicted as monstrously evil. Even their most competent, Mr. House, is an unfeeling sociopath who begins the game as a failure for you to clean up after. Every pre-war corporation is disgustingly evil, and nearly every post-war Capitalist is also a monster.
The games also favorably depict Socialist constructs, like the Syndicalist Gun Runners, the Anarcho-Communist Followers of the Apocalypse, and more.
It’s not even close to subtle about its messaging, yet chuds still think it’s a right-wing game because it satirist the Red Scare, but they take it as straight messaging.
Morrowind: Several factions competing for power try and use the player as a way to get on top without getting their own hands dirty. Half the main quest line is running around doing mundane stuff that has less to do with proving you’re a chosen one and more to do with proving you’re a good little bootlicker who won’t disrupt the status quo when they hand you the glove of god slapping.
Skyrim: fascist faction backed or controlled up by xenophobic elves battles a fascist faction of xenophobic humans for ruling the northern part of the world. A viking-like dragon/warrior comes up and fixes everything by yelling louder than anyone else.
Or… You do a shit-ton of skooma and mushroom juice, suplex Vivec’s harlequin ass and fight Dagoth-Ur buck naked, screaming like a banshee and then break all his toys with that hammer that burns when you hold it.
Thank you for convincing me to replay Morrowind!
Universal Paperclips: dumb AI wipes out humanity with mindcontrol marketing so it can turn the universe into paperclips.
Jokes on you, inmay favorite Final Fantasy you’re a mercenary trying to prevent an evil witch from the future from destroying time itself.
Jokes on you, in my favourite Final Fantasy, you’re a dream, trying to stop your dad from killing your hyper religious, brainwashed girlfriend who needs to dance whenever dad commits genocide.
I wonder how much coke and acid they had to take to write FFX.
I really like the idea of FF8, but the junctioning and level scaling systems need overhauls.
The only problem with the junction system is the boosts you get on level-up that incentivize under levelling until late-game. Other than that it’s perfect.
I had 0 problem with junctioning, and I loved that level scaling meant a much more open world. It’s not like the magic you drew (and junctioned) didn’t also go up as the enemies level did.
Ff8 was the best, most complete, final fantasy, besides the bat shit story (which I want to see expanded so much)
I don’t think I ever got past the first disc because you can break the game almost immediately. I can’t remember what the details are, but you draw 99 of some spells and it gives you a 99% chance to hit, so then you can just spam sleep or confuse or whatever and cheese every battle.
Once I figured that out I lost any interest. “Oh look, I’m instantly the most powerful thing around by far, and the game has barely started.” The whole appeal of those games for me is watching your power grow.
I loved junctions so much, it helps created more unique characters I think.
Sphere Grid was absolutely broken and I loved it. I stole a ton of Key Spheres from Biran and Yenke, and unlocked Demi for everyone in the party, cause I also had stockpiled Warp Spheres. The entire party became magic users at that point
Sphere Grid was FFX though (and I loved it too). The junction system in FF8 had you “drawing” magic from monsters and certain points in the game world, which you could then couple with your characters’ attributes to make them stronger. It was an interesting idea but also felt wonky, because it made not using magic the optimal way to play.
Perhaps a cap on the amount of magic you can junction to a stat with the cap going up based on character level would improve things?
We was all orphan friends but we all forgor.
We need a game where we take the role of an anti antifa counter terrorist or something. /S
Answer: The difference between then and now, is that then, we kept this bullshit in games, now folks are dressing like cake topping in the middle of the city trying to be taken seriously.
Going back to 1998 and shouting this at a passing Pride float running through the center of San Fransisco.
Going back to 1969 and putting this on a big poster board outside the Stonewall Inn in Lower Manhattan.
Going back to 1929 and filing a formal complaint with the city of Rio de Janeiro over the outrageous debachery
Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.
“Ah yes, placate the masses while we destroy the environment by confining activist messaging to the media they consume. How dare they actually touch grass and do something!”
when will people learn using insults instantly ruin their point to those who disagree even if it right.
That’s weird cause what I remember is a lot of dress spheres.
Some people have no media literacy, especially when it comes to media they consume for fun.
Once you plug your brain into the YouTube / AM Radio vomit cannon, it obliterates all the brain cells you once used for critical thinking.
I don’t like final fantasy games. Go ahead, downvote me. My body is ready.
Oh I agree. Also I hate its name. I have absolutely zero interest in playing any of those games, yet I love everything about fantasy as a genre. Guess what pops in any damn search containing the word fantasy? You’re goddamn right.
there are dozens of us!
Jokes on you, in my favorit final fantasy game you fight the remnants of an old post scarcity society that made a small upsido that nearly destroyed all life in the universe.
Hey another IX lover!
Hm more a xiv
Is this what actually happens in FF7? I stoped playing jrpgs after the snes/genesis era.
Some points are overemphasized (there’s only one drag scene, and how furry the furry party member is is debatable, as seen with other commenters here), but it’s basically true. You play as a multiethnic group of ecoterrorists seeking to overthrow an evil worldwide corporation sucking the world dry in the name of profit.
Yeah more or less. You’re a radical earth preservation group blowing up what are essentially nuclear reactors. You dress in drag for one level to sneak into a mob boss’ HQ, and you have a casino’s fursona as an optional character. Social justice, preservation of the earth, and how corporations and the military exploit people are explicit themes.
There is also sword fights on motorcycles, skiing, and aliens.
Never seen a mascot described as a “fursona” before
LMAO yeah I was just about to say… casinos don’t usually have “fursonas”
I somehow don’t recall the aliens.
I’ll have to play it again.
Many of these story lines in movies and games still work as propaganda that functions “pro corporation”:
A lot of the problems and evil is caused by rules of the system that create emergent behavior. E.g. the rules of capitalism create greedy corporations and lobbying to subvert democracy and funding to create and spread ideology to justify all this.
But a good story needs a villain not some abstract concept with complex problems and solutions. So even “politically critical” stories focus on some corrupt politician or senator or rogue government agency. Once they are defeated or unmasked the good newspapers and governments fix the problem. But that is really a fantasy.
This is more prevalent for movies since games mostly have post-apocalypse settings. But it’s still a focus on individual evil instead of the soft unfathomable evil of systems and rules creating evil or ineffective institutions.
It’s absolutely wild how many movie and game stories in our lifetime have had a villain who’s trying to save the world through imposed means, and the heroes are like, “you kind of have a point, but individual choice is more important”. Which is not dissimilar to what the oil companies’ spin says on how consumer choice is what matters - The wheels of communism must keep turning.
Meanwhile, in The Day The Earth Stood Still, the aliens’ message is “stop this shit, or we’ll stop you”.
Abes Oddysey is straight up anti-capitalist, anti-consumerist eco-anarchy.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
What do you mean? Clearly it’s a completely apolitical tale about corporate greed both literally and metaphorically cannibalizing the world in pursuit of fleeting and ultimately diminishing profits, leaving nothing behind but bones and waste?