• vynlwombat@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    “Natural” is another one. People look at food packaging as if it’s the result of a scientific study, but it’s all just marketing.

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      5 months ago

      The entire ‘“health” food store’ falls into this category, it should almost be illegal for them to use the word “health” because nearly everything they sell is an overpriced scam and nothing they do would promote anyone’s actual health.

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        5 months ago

        Organic is a marketing tool and make zero sense environmentally, nutritionally, or biologically.

        The rules try to standardize the meaning for the trade of goods. It’s the same as USDA grading of fruits and vegetables.

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            5 months ago

            You seem to be confused about what a USDA standard is.

            A USDA standard is a MARKETING standard to facilitate interstate trade and increase crop prices. The USDA-AMS stands for USDA - Agricultural MARKETING Service.

            Standards were originally created to standardized grading of foods grain, fruit, etc. to facilitate trade. The Organic Certification program is implemented and enforced by the Agricultural MARKETING Service.

            The standards are for MARKETING purposes and have no basis in scientific, environmental, or nutritional basis. All claims of this sort are for MARKETING purposes only.

            Organic food is generally more destructive to the environment by increasing soil degradation, nutrient runoff, decrease in yield/acre causing more land to under cultivation. It is also dependent upon factory farming of livestock and GMO crops.

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              5 months ago

              Please site proof from official sources. Organic can protect you from things like and not limited to. Taken from links I already posted.

              Materials or methods not allowed in organic farming include:

              Artificial (synthetic) fertilizers to add nutrients to the soil
              Sewage sludge as fertilizer
              Most synthetic pesticides for pest control
              Using radiation (irradiation) to preserve food or to get rid of disease or pests
              Using genetic technology to change the genetic makeup (genetic engineering) of crops, which can improve disease or  pest resistance, or to improve crop harvests
              Antibiotics or growth hormones for farm animals (livestock)
              
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                Okay, a scientific literature meta-analysis. This is basically summary paper of all the references listed.

                https://r.jordan.im/download/organic/tuomisto2012.pdf

                I paper basically says

                Organic farming’s does less damage per acre than conventional farming but it damages more acres.

                On a per unit produced, it does more environmental damage. So for every organic vegetable you purchase, it’s more environmentally damaging than conventional.

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                  5 months ago

                  Please link to official website and not a random document to download. No one should be downloading untrusted files from the internet.

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                  5 months ago

                  No, it says “not necessarily per product unit”. Your characterization of the abstract is incomplete as it doesn’t definitely state what you’re claiming it states. It’s also a euro meta analysis, not a US analysis, so extrapolating your oversimplified conclusion is even more of a stretch since we’re talking about the USDA. I’m more concerned about carbon, water use, pollinator collapse, and a host of other metrics than NOx (which is a function of diesel emissions standards and crop yield, and can be fixed independently).

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      5 months ago

      While we’re making a list, can we do something about all the “uncured” meat products that are in fact cured with celery juice? It has the same carcinogenous nitrates and nitrites as any other curing process, but it tastes worse.

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        5 months ago

        It has even more nitrates actually. Several times what you are legally allowed to add “artificially”.

        FDA only regulated the quantity added directly, not the amount actually in the product that occurs “naturally”.