• Nakedmole@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Not really unpopular. Most Scientists and even some politicians agree that the war on drugs only made things worse and that prohibition is not working.

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    I think we should legalize and hand off distribution and production to major colleges. Have a lot of the profits go toward lowering tuition that way we can elevate our citizens to a higher standard where we can eventually lessen the use of drugs for escapism.

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    7 months ago

    Meh, having everything instantly legal would be too much especially without the funding for care centers where addicts can get help. As well as preventative systems for addicts.

    Decriminalization is a step better but it doesn’t solve the problems of dealers lacing fentanyl into things people dont expect.

    That said, it’s absurd to not already have things like psychedelics/weed/kratom decriminalization and small amounts of party drugs. The fact that the punishment for doing drugs far more harmful than the dugs themselves is mind boggling.

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    Decriminalize or legalize? Decriminalize sure. But you really want stores selling fentanyl or krokodil?

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        You do understand how small amount of that can kill right? The massive problem that it is already?

        Again I’m all for decriminalization. These people shouldn’t be being locked up because they have a problem. But the more crazy drugs like that? We shouldn’t make access even easier.

        I’m all for legalization of a lot of them. But all? That would lead to literally thousands upon thousands of deaths just with fentanyl alone.

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          So you’re saying it’s a massive problem already… and it’s illegal? Damn, must not be working too great.

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            What’s the upside to making fentanyl even easier to access for the general public? How does this improve the situation in your eyes?

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              People seem to be accessing it just fine. I’m not saying my opinion would improve the situation, but it would definitely change something.

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                I…what. so… Your entire opinion about how we should legalize all drugs has nothing to do with improving anything? You just want to do this because it would be a change? You just… Want to do things differently for the hell of it?

                I have a legitimate argument against making certain drugs legal, only the extremely dangerous ones that can kill when you take barely any of it. And your only argument for giving the general public extremely easy access to it is… It would make things different?

                I’m sorry but, you didn’t really put any thought into this opinion of yours did you?

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              Known dosage and purity. People die of overdoses, and of adulterated doses. A vast amount of the horror of krokodil is the production method leading to impurities, and much of the demand for it comes from the lack of other drugs and the ability to cook it up in a garage.

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              Because the reason there are overdoses is because no one has any idea the strength of any of the drugs they take. Knowing exactly the dose of the drug you’re taking because it’s legally purchased is a gigantic benefit

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                If some massive junkie is shown the numbers he would never overdose? Seeing the dosage would teach them self-control? 2,000 micrograms of fentanyl can kill a person. And you people want this in Walmart?

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                  A gallon of bleach can kill people, and we sell that in Walmart. People don’t want to die, they want to get high. If you can buy 20, 100 microgram doses, why would you take all 20 at once unless you wanted to die, and if you wanted to die, well, there are more guns than people in the US, trains exist, razors exist… Are we to wrap the entire world in bubble wrap?

                  Disclaimer: if we have an aligned AGI I may well be for some version of wrapping the world in bubble wrap, but I’m almost certain alignment includes allowing people who truly want to die, to die, but having very few such people because of treatments for depression, a world that doesn’t suck, etc.

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    I think 30 years ago or so before a bunch of countries proved this worked for many drugs, this would have been an unpopular opinion.

    Now, I’m not so sure.

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    Shouldn’t be all that unpopular. Drugs have existed for most of human history, and plenty of them have origins in religious/healing purposes.

    More effort should have always been on the treatment of addiction side than enforcement.

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      There are several entire countries that give the death penalty for just possessing small amounts of certain drugs.

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      Drugs have existed for hundreds of thousands, potentially millions, of years before humans. Peyote, poppies, cannabis, mushrooms, coco, and many hundreds of other plants just happen to have chemicals that make monkeys feel good.

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      The whole drug system should exist in its own perpetual economy.

      Sell drugs legally, all profits go towards treatment and prevention.

      Make all illegal drugs legal and nationalize all pharmaceuticals, then keep making money on all of it but use the profit to change all drug use into an actual benefit to humanity rather than another way to monetize abusing people and profiteering from their misery.

      The way civilisation views both legal and illegal drugs is to think of it as a business and money maker, rather than a product to help people.

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    I get what you’re going for here, but I don’t know that it would actually work in practice. How many people in the world have never tried heroin or meth only because it’s illegal? I feel like a lot of people would become drug addicts specifically because it would be legal, which in their minds would mean it can’t be that bad.

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    7 months ago

    Do you really want what has happened with unrestricted tobacco to happen with meth?

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    I think most people would agree on the surface but the devil’s in the details: that statement could mean anything from making schedule 1 drugs available at detox centers to removing prescription requirements on antibiotics to grabbing a bag of ricin at the corner store on your way to work

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      7 months ago

      To clarify strictly, I mean recreational drugs. Drugs that have been used for recreational and medicinal purposes that have been legally restricted in some way.

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        D.A.R.E. was objectively a massive failure.

        Turns out when you tell kids that weed is just as bad as crack, they start wondering “what else did they lie about” when they figure out weed is fine.

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        It’s all based on lies though. You tell them weed is as bad as other drugs then they try weed and it’s fine you can imagine the conclusion drawn from that.

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    Kinda but you would need to limit corporations abusing addiction for profit like they already do with things like nicotine

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      Portugal. They’ve essentially been doing this for years.

      Drugs are decriminalised and in themselves legal.

      It’s still technically a crime to use them but generally you are treated as a patient with addiction. Not a criminal.

      There’s still a massive body of criminal law around supplying, and producing them.

      So they are not dismantling controls on drugs but targeting the issues drugs cause instead of criminalising users needlessly.

      Not perfect there but certainly lessons to be learnt.