• TWeaK@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    The benefit to people from the business trade is getting products that otherwise would not be possible. ARM does not have the capacity or skill to build microprocessors, Qualcomm and Samsung don’t know how to design them (in fact, at one point ARM had to build some just to show them everything they were doing wrong with their production designs). Under a communist state, there’s every likelihood that ARM wouldn’t exist - there wasn’t a huge need for it before the market for smart phones exploded, so the development of their processors would likely have been stopped in favour of other technologies, and wouldn’t have been sat there waiting to be utilised for phones.

    With the expired food transaction, the same transaction could not be made earlier - not if the price was at cost. My suggestion was essentially “sell it to get back what you paid for it”, which wouldn’t account for the overhead costs of running the business. A normal transaction done earlier must cover these costs, at the very least. The issue is that a normal transaction does a lot more than cover these costs - that’s people abusing capitalism.

    Ultimately though I’m not arguing that capitalism is better or worse. I’m just saying that people are the problem, and if you frame the system as the problem then when you deal with it you’re still probably going to have a people problem, in some shape or form.

    • Trudge [Comrade]@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      Expired food transaction prices are closer to cost. It is the necessity for a profit margin that drives grocery stores to sell at a higher price (or as I call it, cost + profit price). Now, you may say that profit margins are bad for grocery stores, which is true (2~3%), which cannot account for discount on expired food (10~30%). However, The grocery store overall margin does not account for the cost of individual items. In terms of percentages, markup on dry goods (cereals, pasta, etc.) and canned goods are lower while the markup for prepared food, frozen food, and bakery goods are more than twice that of dry goods. Which items actually do go on sale then? The ones with higher margins. . The discounted price for fresh food is absolutely possible when you take profit margins out.

      For the microprocessors example, I’ll use the same example as to why that mode of complex production is more likely under communism than capitalism. By your account, ARM designed microprocessors while there wasn’t a huge need for it, but the market for smart phones exploded later. Does this make sense? No, it doesn’t make sense under capitalism, so let’s look at the history of it. ARM (Acorn/Advanced RISC Machine) financially functioned by being funded by the BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation). ARM’s nickname in the UK used to be BBC Micro! I don’t think I need to go on about how communists are all about state-funded enterprises, so I rest my case.