return2ozma@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world · 7 months agoIllinois judge rules Donald Trump is disqualified from the state's 2024 election ballotwww.usatoday.comexternal-linkmessage-square191fedilinkarrow-up11arrow-down10
arrow-up11arrow-down1external-linkIllinois judge rules Donald Trump is disqualified from the state's 2024 election ballotwww.usatoday.comreturn2ozma@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world · 7 months agomessage-square191fedilink
minus-squareFlowVoid@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up0·7 months agoConviction is not the important part, at all. The 14th Amendment was intended to keep former Confederates out of government. The people who wrote it had no intention of putting former Confederates on trial.
minus-squareCableMonster@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up0·7 months agoI agree, that amendment was directly talking about confederates who had done a known and agreed on insurrection.
minus-squareFlowVoid@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up0·7 months agoIt was also meant to apply to any future insurrections, like the one on Jan 6.
minus-squareCableMonster@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up0·7 months agoJan 6th wasnt and insurrection, and trump would need to be convicted of an insurrection not just declared guilty by someone.
minus-squareFlowVoid@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up0·7 months agoNobody needed to be convicted in 1868, therefore Trump doesn’t need to be convicted today.
minus-squareCableMonster@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up0·7 months agoYeah because it was literally a civil war…
minus-squareFlowVoid@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up0·edit-27 months agoThe 14th Amendment applies to insurrections, not just wars. Any attempt to stop the function of government by force is an insurrection, including the Whiskey Rebellion, the Civil War, and Jan 6.
minus-squareCableMonster@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up0·7 months agoSounds good if it is a universally understood insurrection.
minus-squareFlowVoid@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up0·7 months agoInsurrection has a legal definition, and that’s the definition that counts. Judges are the ones responsible for deciding whether a legal definition applies, and so far all those involved said it does.
Conviction is not the important part, at all.
The 14th Amendment was intended to keep former Confederates out of government. The people who wrote it had no intention of putting former Confederates on trial.
I agree, that amendment was directly talking about confederates who had done a known and agreed on insurrection.
It was also meant to apply to any future insurrections, like the one on Jan 6.
Jan 6th wasnt and insurrection, and trump would need to be convicted of an insurrection not just declared guilty by someone.
Nobody needed to be convicted in 1868, therefore Trump doesn’t need to be convicted today.
Yeah because it was literally a civil war…
The 14th Amendment applies to insurrections, not just wars.
Any attempt to stop the function of government by force is an insurrection, including the Whiskey Rebellion, the Civil War, and Jan 6.
Sounds good if it is a universally understood insurrection.
Insurrection has a legal definition, and that’s the definition that counts.
Judges are the ones responsible for deciding whether a legal definition applies, and so far all those involved said it does.