I mean… vampire bats breathe (I would imagine), but if we are talking about the undead, re-animated corpses who are not “alive” thus do not need to do the typical things that an alive person would, I guess it could depend on the genre? :-D I think you are correct though - it would help them blend in better if they would do some of the things that normal humans would, especially without having to consciously think about it.
Like in the Castlevania Netflix anime thing, vampires were basically immortal super-humans (whereas Dracula himself was somehow… alien), so vampires weren’t so much “undead” as just a different variant of humanity, perhaps a blended variant like base human DNA + virus alterations - and anyway, they more or less seemed “alive” there, hence you would think would benefit from oxygenation of their bloodstream, even if the level of their dependency upon such were reduced. I think Blade’s vampires might also have been of this sort, but there is a whole comic book series iirc and I never read any of it so definitely don’t quote me on that.
But in series such as Buffy & Angel and John Carpenter’s, vampires were more “spiritual” like a curse passed down from ancient times (in the latter, from Judas who betrayed Christ), and their immortal bodies were animated by magic so that sort could go without any oxygen whatsoever for like millennia and be just fine.
In my internal version of the vampire canon, vampirism is definitely a curse passed down from ancient times. When someone gets the curse, their corpse is now inhabited by the spirit of vampirism itself, which flows to fill the imprint their soul left. Like their individual curse of vampirism changes to resemble the soul it replaced. This, combined with the (internal canon) fact that vampirism can only be spread to the freshly dead, results in a brain that is mostly the same and something like a soul that is mostly like what they had before.
Think about other types of eternal (un)life, like a specter for example. In my internal canon, specters usually appear where they died and continue the action they were taking when they died. Like a specter who died in a house fire might appear in the charred husk of the house every full moon or something, just to pantomime burning to death and desperately trying to scratch through a door that won’t open.
I think vampires would continue on with their mannerisms and habits that they had before, including breathing. The circuitry is still all connected for it, the muscles still work. On the flip side, the circuitry that causes panic when not breathing is also still connected. I think a vampire could easily “survive” being locked in a coffin at the bottom of the ocean… but it would be excruciating for a century or so until that neuronal connection simply burns out or fades away or whatever. Or maybe that would never happen and it would be eternal suffering.
Highly ironically, you are describing the Buffy & Angel version, except that in that one, they do not breathe.:-) The idea of it, as I understand it, is that vampires were once a type of demon species - demon itself btw basically means “non-human” as in non-human sentient creature - but then when “something happened” (a goddess, or God, or some creature later worshipped as such, or perhaps entirely obscured by time), the original vampires were no longer “allowed” to remain in the human world. However, the Prime Evil did not like that thought, so converted the vampires to put on human flesh in order to hide them from the whatever it is that would not allowed a “true vampire” to exist.
Thus, modern vampires are converted from pre-existing ones by a vampire allowing someone to drink their blood, often biting them in return, which kills the human. As or perhaps after the death occurs, the body becomes “prepared” as a vessel that can hold the soul of a something else from an external, non-physical dimension. Fairly soon then, a vampire soul comes in to take possession of it, keeping it until it dies. Vampires enjoy having a body to ride around in:-). So note that here it is not all “freshly dead” bodies, only those properly prepared.
However, being (originally) non-physical creatures, they are not like humans. As you say, they would take on the personality of their host, although also they seem to be able to pick and choose among the traits - somewhat like humans also do, e.g. a coward could decide to become brave, or a smoker to quit, even though it may take some effort to change. The point though is that vampires wear their human body - or rather, their body that was heavily modified to support vampirism - like a puppet, and the personality is even included as part of that. They also have access to the memories of the deceased host. So they can look and act convincingly like not only a generic human but the exact one that they “possessed”, but they are not bound by any of those convictions, e.g. fully able to take glee in their former lover’s brutal mutilations and torture, even at their own hands, without a glimmer of a thought otherwise from the (now-dead) human that their bodies used to belong to.
Also they have a “second face” whereby their visage converts from normal human-looking to a more neanderthal-ish brow and the fangs come out, and their eyes turn yellow - essentially they “look demonic” in that form. This may affect their personality as well - the role they play in “blending in” to look like humans, vs. when the fangs come out and they just go for it. I believe it does not really affect them in most ways though - e.g. they are just as strong without it as with - and other than having fangs that are a ready source to tear open blood vessels with (though a fingernail or tool would suffice just as well?), they don’t really “need” to do it at all. Though they do seem to enjoy it, more for the pain & suffering that their altered, uncanny-valley-like appearance causes to their victims than anything else.
But, they don’t “need” to breathe - perhaps the conversion of the body to support vampirism burns out the medulla oblongata, or maybe they could (and do!) even, like you say just for the fun of it, manage a convincing simulacrum. But they are also EXTREMELY strong, and quite fast, so really all they need to do is convince someone for a fraction of a second before they get close enough to feed… or perhaps to convince someone to invite them inside their homes. Also, ironically they don’t even “need” blood - e.g. they could totally survive for years, even millennia, trapped somewhere where they are cut off from access to air, water, contact with others, and yes blood. They just enjoy it is all.;-)
So in this lore, I think the main horror for the vampire to be trapped in a coffin at the bottom of the ocean would be the excruciating boredom, not so much any physical sensation of wanting to breathe but not being able to. Also, many of them literally enjoy the pain sensation:-) - after all the body can’t really die all that easily, and unlike humans who also have souls but were born inside their bodies so never really knew of any other existence, vampires, having once been elsewhere, are very aware that they definitely do not need to “fear” death, or at least in the same way that a human might. So the signals can be interpreted differently. Some vampires are better at this than others though - some are more animalistic and controlled more by their immediate urges, while others can rise above them, postponing their tortures in order to wreak even moar havoc and mayhem later.
Okay, that’s a lot of text - I hope you find at least some of it interesting:-).
That was super interesting, I love talking about this sort of thing. Really appreciate the thoughtfulness of your reply.
It seems like our conceptions of vampirism differ in how far from human-ness vampirism takes the host. In my mind, vampirism takes the host just far enough away from human-ness that they can never live like a human again, but not far enough that they wouldn’t want to. The reason it’s a curse is because they’re so torn, kind of like drug addiction in a sense. Being addicted to meth is probably torment, but doing meth is ecstasy, so a meth addict might viscerally want to go back to a normal life but at the same time viscerally never want to give up what they have. I think breathing, among a lot of other things (like wearing clothes, drinking wine, conversation, etc) are totally unnecessary physiologically, but absolutely necessary to maintain the appearance of a human, which in turn is necessary for the psychological well being of a vampire. I think without these things (or without blood too) they convert to the monster form, becoming more and more distorted as time goes on without their needs met. Their mind also becomes more and more animalistic, but only to the point that they are confused and scared, never fully immersed in the monster mentality. Like they’re aware of how much brain function they’ve lost which is terrifying. Due to how blood deprivation and social deprivation have essentially the same physical toll, I think their “psychic” nourishment is as important as their blood intake and thus not breathing could be not only the medulla oblongata panicking but also a form of supernatural psychic damage to them.
Also, I’ve never seen Buffy. Should I watch it? I absolutely loooove vampire movies and shows. I’ve exhausted everything that is obviously going to satisfy me already so I need to look to others for more recommendations. My favorite vampire movies are Only Lovers Left Alive, Byzantium, Interview with the Vampire, and the original Dracula. Hbu?
bad advice, i like breathing
Username does not check out, in this case!:-P
Do vampires not breathe? I imagine they do, but only to maintain appearances
I mean… vampire bats breathe (I would imagine), but if we are talking about the undead, re-animated corpses who are not “alive” thus do not need to do the typical things that an alive person would, I guess it could depend on the genre? :-D I think you are correct though - it would help them blend in better if they would do some of the things that normal humans would, especially without having to consciously think about it.
Like in the Castlevania Netflix anime thing, vampires were basically immortal super-humans (whereas Dracula himself was somehow… alien), so vampires weren’t so much “undead” as just a different variant of humanity, perhaps a blended variant like base human DNA + virus alterations - and anyway, they more or less seemed “alive” there, hence you would think would benefit from oxygenation of their bloodstream, even if the level of their dependency upon such were reduced. I think Blade’s vampires might also have been of this sort, but there is a whole comic book series iirc and I never read any of it so definitely don’t quote me on that.
But in series such as Buffy & Angel and John Carpenter’s, vampires were more “spiritual” like a curse passed down from ancient times (in the latter, from Judas who betrayed Christ), and their immortal bodies were animated by magic so that sort could go without any oxygen whatsoever for like millennia and be just fine.
In my internal version of the vampire canon, vampirism is definitely a curse passed down from ancient times. When someone gets the curse, their corpse is now inhabited by the spirit of vampirism itself, which flows to fill the imprint their soul left. Like their individual curse of vampirism changes to resemble the soul it replaced. This, combined with the (internal canon) fact that vampirism can only be spread to the freshly dead, results in a brain that is mostly the same and something like a soul that is mostly like what they had before.
Think about other types of eternal (un)life, like a specter for example. In my internal canon, specters usually appear where they died and continue the action they were taking when they died. Like a specter who died in a house fire might appear in the charred husk of the house every full moon or something, just to pantomime burning to death and desperately trying to scratch through a door that won’t open.
I think vampires would continue on with their mannerisms and habits that they had before, including breathing. The circuitry is still all connected for it, the muscles still work. On the flip side, the circuitry that causes panic when not breathing is also still connected. I think a vampire could easily “survive” being locked in a coffin at the bottom of the ocean… but it would be excruciating for a century or so until that neuronal connection simply burns out or fades away or whatever. Or maybe that would never happen and it would be eternal suffering.
Highly ironically, you are describing the Buffy & Angel version, except that in that one, they do not breathe.:-) The idea of it, as I understand it, is that vampires were once a type of demon species - demon itself btw basically means “non-human” as in non-human sentient creature - but then when “something happened” (a goddess, or God, or some creature later worshipped as such, or perhaps entirely obscured by time), the original vampires were no longer “allowed” to remain in the human world. However, the Prime Evil did not like that thought, so converted the vampires to put on human flesh in order to hide them from the whatever it is that would not allowed a “true vampire” to exist.
Thus, modern vampires are converted from pre-existing ones by a vampire allowing someone to drink their blood, often biting them in return, which kills the human. As or perhaps after the death occurs, the body becomes “prepared” as a vessel that can hold the soul of a something else from an external, non-physical dimension. Fairly soon then, a vampire soul comes in to take possession of it, keeping it until it dies. Vampires enjoy having a body to ride around in:-). So note that here it is not all “freshly dead” bodies, only those properly prepared.
However, being (originally) non-physical creatures, they are not like humans. As you say, they would take on the personality of their host, although also they seem to be able to pick and choose among the traits - somewhat like humans also do, e.g. a coward could decide to become brave, or a smoker to quit, even though it may take some effort to change. The point though is that vampires wear their human body - or rather, their body that was heavily modified to support vampirism - like a puppet, and the personality is even included as part of that. They also have access to the memories of the deceased host. So they can look and act convincingly like not only a generic human but the exact one that they “possessed”, but they are not bound by any of those convictions, e.g. fully able to take glee in their former lover’s brutal mutilations and torture, even at their own hands, without a glimmer of a thought otherwise from the (now-dead) human that their bodies used to belong to.
Also they have a “second face” whereby their visage converts from normal human-looking to a more neanderthal-ish brow and the fangs come out, and their eyes turn yellow - essentially they “look demonic” in that form. This may affect their personality as well - the role they play in “blending in” to look like humans, vs. when the fangs come out and they just go for it. I believe it does not really affect them in most ways though - e.g. they are just as strong without it as with - and other than having fangs that are a ready source to tear open blood vessels with (though a fingernail or tool would suffice just as well?), they don’t really “need” to do it at all. Though they do seem to enjoy it, more for the pain & suffering that their altered, uncanny-valley-like appearance causes to their victims than anything else.
But, they don’t “need” to breathe - perhaps the conversion of the body to support vampirism burns out the medulla oblongata, or maybe they could (and do!) even, like you say just for the fun of it, manage a convincing simulacrum. But they are also EXTREMELY strong, and quite fast, so really all they need to do is convince someone for a fraction of a second before they get close enough to feed… or perhaps to convince someone to invite them inside their homes. Also, ironically they don’t even “need” blood - e.g. they could totally survive for years, even millennia, trapped somewhere where they are cut off from access to air, water, contact with others, and yes blood. They just enjoy it is all.;-)
So in this lore, I think the main horror for the vampire to be trapped in a coffin at the bottom of the ocean would be the excruciating boredom, not so much any physical sensation of wanting to breathe but not being able to. Also, many of them literally enjoy the pain sensation:-) - after all the body can’t really die all that easily, and unlike humans who also have souls but were born inside their bodies so never really knew of any other existence, vampires, having once been elsewhere, are very aware that they definitely do not need to “fear” death, or at least in the same way that a human might. So the signals can be interpreted differently. Some vampires are better at this than others though - some are more animalistic and controlled more by their immediate urges, while others can rise above them, postponing their tortures in order to wreak even moar havoc and mayhem later.
Okay, that’s a lot of text - I hope you find at least some of it interesting:-).
That was super interesting, I love talking about this sort of thing. Really appreciate the thoughtfulness of your reply.
It seems like our conceptions of vampirism differ in how far from human-ness vampirism takes the host. In my mind, vampirism takes the host just far enough away from human-ness that they can never live like a human again, but not far enough that they wouldn’t want to. The reason it’s a curse is because they’re so torn, kind of like drug addiction in a sense. Being addicted to meth is probably torment, but doing meth is ecstasy, so a meth addict might viscerally want to go back to a normal life but at the same time viscerally never want to give up what they have. I think breathing, among a lot of other things (like wearing clothes, drinking wine, conversation, etc) are totally unnecessary physiologically, but absolutely necessary to maintain the appearance of a human, which in turn is necessary for the psychological well being of a vampire. I think without these things (or without blood too) they convert to the monster form, becoming more and more distorted as time goes on without their needs met. Their mind also becomes more and more animalistic, but only to the point that they are confused and scared, never fully immersed in the monster mentality. Like they’re aware of how much brain function they’ve lost which is terrifying. Due to how blood deprivation and social deprivation have essentially the same physical toll, I think their “psychic” nourishment is as important as their blood intake and thus not breathing could be not only the medulla oblongata panicking but also a form of supernatural psychic damage to them.
Also, I’ve never seen Buffy. Should I watch it? I absolutely loooove vampire movies and shows. I’ve exhausted everything that is obviously going to satisfy me already so I need to look to others for more recommendations. My favorite vampire movies are Only Lovers Left Alive, Byzantium, Interview with the Vampire, and the original Dracula. Hbu?