• thantik@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Oh yay, just what I want; to be able to go 45km in 2.5hrs and be exhausted by the time I get there.

      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        I always love how the utopia you push for completely ignores the existence of disabled people. Can’t ride a bike? Just die!

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          6 months ago

          I was going to write a snarky comment, but instead I’ll try to gain insight into your perspective.

          What disabilities allow you to drive a car, but prevent you from walking, cycling or taking the bus?

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            6 months ago

            What disabilities allow you to drive a car, but prevent you from walking, cycling or taking the bus?

            To clarify/add to this: walking or cycling also includes mobility devices that can use this infrastructure such as walkers, wheelchairs, and scooters. Taking this to the extreme, the Netherlands has microcars which allow people with handicaps to drive at low speed on bike infrastructure. Some even allow wheelchair user to roll right (also shown in the video at 1m07s).

            • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world
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              6 months ago

              Taking the bus turns a 15 minute drive into a two hour drive. Because I’m disabled y’all just assume my time is less valuable. Like I said, fuck all y’all that assume cars are the worst option for everyone

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                6 months ago

                Taking the bus turns a 15 minute drive into a two hour drive

                If you’re talking about your specific situation, sure that might be the case, but it shouldn’t be that way in general. I also avoid taking my local public transit because it’s so bad, with service that’s supposed to be every 15min often 25min late (I’ve personally waited over 40min). However, that’s only with bad service. In a lot of places with good public transit, transit is waaay faster than driving because (rightfully so) they give priority to buses holding 40+ people, instead of cars holding 1.4 people on average

                We’re not blaming you if you currently take a car. I drove to the grocery store last night because that’s the only way to safely get there. It’s the system that’s the problem.

                You also didn’t acknowledge the other mobility options available, do none of them apply to you?

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          6 months ago

          I think that’s unfair, in a city for example every equipment made for bikes, like a bridge above a road with lots of traffic or smooth road crossings, make the life of disabled easier too. I’m thinking about wheelchairs, but I guess it’s true even for people who struggle with walking too. And to me, the “fuck cars” Utopia is certainly way more inclusive for the disabled than the current situation.

        • lemming934@lemmy.sdf.org
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          6 months ago

          I don’t think you have thought this through enough.

          Car infrastructure takes up the most space, so making a city for driving necessarily exludes other forms of transportation: think about what multi lane highways and giant parking lots does to a city.

          On the other hand, excluding (or just minimizing) cars allows these other forms of transportation to flourish. Busses, trains, biking, scooting, walking, wheel chairs, those golf cart things disabled people use in the Netherlands.

          Certainly you understand that many disabled people can not use cars: blind people, epileptic people, elderly people, young people, broke people (though lack of income is not traditionaly considered a disability, it can be disabilitating in a car dependent hypercapitalistic society like the US).

          There is no one solution for transportation of the disabled, so it’s important to have lots of options. This is impossible if your neighborhood is car dependent

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      6 months ago

      Nobody is saying that it never makes any sense to use a car, but about 60% of all car trips in America are less than 6 miles (9.65 km). The scale ends there, but a good chunk is probably only 1-2 miles or less (1.6 - 3.2km), which is inexcusable for healthy adults not transporting heavy stuff like a fridge.

      Source: https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1042-august-13-2018-2017-nearly-60-all-vehicle-trips-were-less-six

    • awwwyissss@lemm.ee
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      6 months ago

      Oh yay, just what I want; to live in a dying world with a bunch of self-centered people.

    • Mishmash2000@lemmy.nz
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      6 months ago

      Oh yay, just what I want; to be able to bike 45km in 2.5hrs, getting fresh air and exercise along the way, hardly costing a cent, seeing the sights, feeling refreshed and invigorated, having a sense of accomplishment and being more connected to my neighbourhood while having almost no negative impact on the environment!

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        6 months ago

        Seeing the sights, feeling refreshed and invigorated

        Seeing the sights gets boring when you’ve done it more than a handful of times. And I’m not sure why, but I don’t feel refreshed when I’ve been out on a bike ride due to the winds. They aren’t strong, but they don’t need to be when going 18/25.

        having a sense of accomplishment

        This argument is one I strongly despise cause arbitrary difficulty does not/should not give a sense of accomplishment. Take the bus instead and you’ll have that same sense of accomplishment but waste only half the time. Or walk and spend twice the time and get it too.

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      6 months ago

      It’s definitely a bit of a tilted comparison to not include any other alternative forms of transit like say a bus with 12 people on it (divide the energy), or a train with 80 people on it.