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Welp, time to create the reverse app and tag houses that are religious.
Do what you want with that information.
Maybe the Jewish population could start a protest in front of there Church
Nah, just wait for the inevitable data dump because they won’t pay for competent security, and invert the data. No need to get the data yourself when they’re pretty much doing it for you!
Just check all the account addresses
Do you mean a surprise distributed data backup?
(referencing a recent meme on !programmerhumor)
Got a link that sounds hilarious
JFC, I installed the app and added “my address” and immediately was given a list of names and addresses to “pray for”.
How am I supposed to pray for so many people!? What am I, an ATM?! Gelatians 4:20:69 had nothing to do with Gelato!1! This is getting 1 star and reported on the app store.
Dude, that’s beyond creepy. I know of 1 christian that will certainly never install that thing. Not that I can right now, since I have absolutely no Google or Apple store at my disposal. #degoogled all the way.
What the FUCK
For some reason it didn’t sink in to me from reading the article how weird and sinister this is
Literal names and addresses. Unbelievable.
Can you filter it to only immigrants? How flexible is the display of people’s names and addresses, family vs no kids, young or old, things like that?
Uninstalled already. It was pushy about asking for my church address so they could contact them to promote the app.
You know what they say, good Christians are ATMs
It doesn’t seem to be available on android
Ugh.
Thats some Gilead shit.
These lunatics have a disturbing amount of control in the US government.
Laughing at them might be fun, and I was doing it until recently, but they’re not joking. The worse our climate disasters become – and they will very soon – the more scared people will become, and the more these groups will take advantage of that fear. We’ll see more climate refugees, more desperation, and more fear. These groups prey on fear, and they’ll amplify it on purpose.
True fascism thrives on fear, which is why these people amplify it like they do. When climate disasters accelerate, these groups will harness the social upheaval to take control. I don’t know what we can do to stop it, but we should all be thinking about and sharing ways to head it off, because they’ve got plans in place already.
I know I sound paranoid, but I’ve been watching them and these aren’t my ideas, but theirs. They talk about this a lot, and if we aren’t prepared, their plans could actually work. I don’t want to live in the fascist future they’re planning. If we don’t combat it, we’ll be living in the Handmaid’s Tale before most of us realise.
I hope they come to my door. I’ll tell them all the stuff that is taught in Seminary that they don’t teach the parishioners.
That being said, this is totally fucked up. Hopefully someone that is affected can sue them into oblivion.
Can we appreciate how incredibility messed up it is to have Christians trying to tell other religions are not valid? It is terribly messed up to try to convert Muslims to Christianity.
With that being said it is important to note that this is a small group of people in Christianity. They are ruining the reputation for all denominations and creating Christian hate which will hurt Christians everywhere in the long run. I wonder how they would react if there was Jewish protest in front of there Church
Religion is incredibly messed up FIFY
Yeah I how would want to care about your fellow human beings.
If you need to be scared into being nice you are a total piece of shit and don’t deserve respect from anyone
Exactly. They’re always whining about being persecuted when they aren’t, and don’t seem to grasp the fact that doing this kind of shit is what will get them persecuted.
What fear? If your scared you need to switch Churches
Going to “hell” or not going to “heaven”
Yeah go join a real religion, like Scientology
Yeah. All the cool kids are doing it. Like Tom Cruise.
Caring for others doesn’t require religion.
I think the “try to convert” part makes no sense. Conversion is a very personal thing, and you can’t force someone to do it. You can invite, but that’s about it.
Anything more violates common decency.
You would surprised how much control a fearmongering narcissist can have over you. And I’d argue, most christian conservative are narcissists.
The “try to convert” thing sounds like the marketing & sales division of the church. People can’t join your church if they don’t even know about it.
And both being annoying, of course.
“Trying to convert” has biblical basis, and most religions have some kind of evangelism component to it. But there’s a lot of ways to go about that. One is the aggressive approach (i.e. high pressure salesman; join or you’ll burn in hell!), and the other is the example Jesus and other scriptural people set (i.e. serving others and getting them to want to ask the questions). Many religious people to the latter, and it’s the obnoxious people who do the former that give religion a bad rap.
So my recommendation is if you want people to join your church, instruct your members to go out and do good in the community. Be a good friend, offer to do service for them from time to time, and engage with service opportunities in your community. Eventually people will ask, and they’ll care a lot more about what you have to say than if you’re telling them to go to church or they’ll burn in hell…
I love Sikhs for this.
Yeah, I work with a Sihk and he’s awesome and super humble. Not sure if that’s a stereotype that holds up, but I’m a fan.
I agree. If you create a welcoming environment people will stick around
Someone on lemmy commented that the purpose of those conversion drives is not to garner new members (though it’s a nice benefit if it works), but to help reinforce the “us” versus “them” division in the people out knocking on doors. It really makes a lot of sense to me.
I agree with that. I think the point of Mormons being forced to go door-to-door and engage with the outside world in a way that is guaranteed to create discomfort and hostility… is that they’ll learn the the outside world equals discomfort and hostility. I can’t imagine that it has any nonzero effect in terms of converting people to Mormonism at all.
I think how it works for Christians probably depends on the nonuniform details of how exactly they do the proselytizing, but I’m imagine it works mostly the same in most cases.
Picking them out in particular is interesting, because I have a good friend that’s Mormon, and we used to hang out a lot. They really have their own community, I was definitely an outsider (but not obviously so, as I don’t have facial hair, etc.). We briefly dated, but that didn’t go anywhere for obvious reasons, and later I realized that in her world I’m probably the “bad boy” (few others would consider me that, but everything is relative).
They were nice people, but overall they just were …boring. I don’t even remember most of the ones I met, and I doubt I could pick even some of her closer friends out of a lineup. I don’t mean to be nasty, but few of them had any sort of interesting life experiences, which is weird, considering many of them traveled abroad for mission trips.
At one point the Mormon single women in the area created a video to convince more single Mormon men to move there. There was a serious shortage. Even in that situation they still felt like they had to stay in the Mormon community.
On the flip side, a few years ago, friends of ours moved to a new neighborhood and had a housewarming party, and one of the families that joined them were neighbors that were Mormons (who preferred the term Latter Day Saints). But the wife had rainbow rings on and I think one of the daughters had purple hair…so, they seemed unlike other Mormons I’ve met, but I didn’t get the chance to ask about it.
Mormons being forced to go door-to-door
Mormons aren’t forced to go door-to-door, it’s absolutely a choice. In fact, Mormon missionaries pay their own way (less so in poorer countries, but still).
Perhaps you’re thinking of Jehova’s Witnesses? I don’t know much about their proselytizing, but I have invited them in before and they don’t seem particularly interested in following up, especially if you don’t buy their stuff.
When one group of Torah fan ficti9n lovers hates the other groups fan ficti9n its a big deal.
That’s not really the case outside of a minority
The church is an organization that preys on people using their fear of death.
Hinduism is a religion that preys on people’s fear of not really dying at all.
oof. Never noticed that about reincarnation. What could be worse than dying? Being brought back to suffer more.
This is real bad. I’m a christian (albeit a very unorthodox one), and this goes against everything Christians are supposed to follow according to the bible. This can only be construed as church authoritarianism. Maybe this is why I’m looked down upon by most “Christians” out there, but I could not care less. If a christian says or does anything that does not align with LOVE EVERYONE,that’s not a christian, but a “faith merchant”. Their “privacy policy” is tailored to make it seem like they are doing God’s work, when reading it with the intent to understand clearly displays the intention to gather data on you and everyone around you. And I’m sorry, but anyone that does this is guilty of wanting data to sell until proven otherwise, no exceptions.
- Who Has Access to Your Data
“Your password is not accessible by or shared with anybody. Not even we can access it. It is stored in an inaccessible encrypted format.”
So, ONLY the password is encrypted, everything else is stored as clearly as a traffic sign. Noted.
“None of the information entered by you is shared with anybody unless you specifically give us permission to do so by opting in to affiliate your Light role with one or more of our partner organizations; by opting in to have your contact information available to other Light roles in your neighborhood; or by creating an administrator role in a partner organization.”
Where have we seen this before? Ah, right, in EVERY parivacy policy on every single company known to sell our data for profit without caring about anyone or anything except getting more money.
Funny thing is, there’s no mention anywhere on how they are getting the data on what they call the “blessees”. Care to take a wild guess on how that’s done?
I am genuinely sorry that this is happening, and blown away by how disgusting this is. No wonder most people don’t want anything to do with us, Christianity has become everything Jesus spoke against.
I am genuinely sorry that this is happening
Appreciate the sentiment, but it’s not anyone’s task to apologize for someone else’s shitty behavior.
What you (and other Christians who are bothered by this approach) is to talk to your fellow believers about it and express your concerns.
We all know they’re not going to listen to us heathen unbelievers…
Thanks for the comment man. I apologized because it bothers me to no end, and for vetter or for worse, calling mysrlf a christian puts me in the crosshairs of people that are understandibly upset at that behavior, and I’m not narcissistic enough to just pass by and not try to make it a bit better if possible. Unfortunately, because of their radical religious way of thinking and blatant inability to exercise critical thinking, they won’t listen to anyone but their “church leaders”, whom, for the most part, only have their own interests at heart.
You and people who hold beliefs like yours should just pick a new name for yourselves, I’ve tried to convince family members of this for years. Let the jerks have the name they tainted, pick a better name for your beliefs, and get out of the way for people to condemn the institution of Christianity for it’s actions.
You shouldn’t feel responsible for them. You should just let them suffer the consequences of their actions and get outta the way.
Most of us would, for sure, if it wasn’t for the fact that we’re called Christians because we follow Christ. However, from my very personal perspective, the name is irrelevant. So much so that our own bible does not mention “christians” anywhere. Having said that, I am a die hard follower of Jesus, people can call me Jesuit, Jesus freak (yes, been called that plenty of times, I find it funny), or whatever. But first and foremost, I’m a human, full of flaws, an expert at finding out what doesn’t work (I guess Normie’s call those “making mistakes” 🤣🤣), with lost of situations in my life, and a firm believer that, should everyone decide to respect others, love them with their flaws, and be willing to help EVERYONE else as long as it’s not detrimental to themselves, their environment or others (in thayvsame order), we would have so much peace in this world that it’ll probably get boring haha. Anyway, switching gears real quick: Does anyone here have experience with Arch based Linux distros? Preferably EndeavourOS? I live what I’m seeing, but I can’t find a reason why none of my flatpak installations are showing in my apps. I really want to try Arch to find out why die hard Arch users are so proud of that, but so far it seems like a distros made exclusively for people that like to be in pain. What gives? If you can pint me in the right direction to a community where I can vent and maybe find solutions, I would really appreciate it. Oh, and God forgive me, but FUCK MICROSOFT!
I’m not a Christian but sometimes I hear Christians talking the way you just have and it’s the most compelling thing about it and draws me towards it. Love and forgiveness all the way. I use Debian so I can’t help with your arch question. I do think that Jesus would use Linux though.
And would totally doom Microsoft and Apple, for sure.
Smite them.
FYI: If you hear someone talking about encrypting passwords (instead of hashing); big red flag that they don’t know what they’re doing.
I didn’t think about it, but you’re absolutely right. Thanks for the correction.
Not a dig at you btw, but at the people trying to convince us they care about security.
Oh, no, I didn’t take it as a dig directed at me. I took it as good information for me to consider moving forward. Thank you.
Why did you decide to change the title and then stop halfway through?
I mean they don’t need sensitive data, they already know which house is religious, because the people signed up for it. So by default every other home gets added. That is all very puplic information.
It says in the article they employed a commercial data set that is not composed of widely available public data in creating this app. Also, it lists a lot more information about people than whether or not they are christians.
I feel like this information is going to get sold to GOT–sorry, ‘voter suppression’ efforts and general databrokers.
Highly likely in the US.
This is concerning. I don’t want some stranger knowing personal details about me before I even know they exist
I’ve received letters twice from the same individual who belongs to a JW church. The first was when they moved into the area, and the second was when I moved to another place.
Your property ownership records (if you’re American) are public records, and if you grab it within like, 3 years (where I live), you can even find the closing price and more detailed information on the sale.
Demand better privacy laws.
It would be a real shame if people started leaving reviews on the play store with their concerns. Real shame i tell you, its sitting at a 4.7 rating with all but 1 five star, and they gave it a four star.
Anyways for any god loving Christian who just wants to download their app to pray for their neighbors, ive taken the ten seconds needed to visit their site and grabbed their app links.
Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blesseveryhome.bealight
Apple https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bless-every-home/id1541313484
This definitely shouldn’t be the top comment. Don’t cross-post it to other communities who prefer that christofascists don’t harass and dox immigrants and any non-christians they hate (see: most genders).
Noooooo sir.
And definitely don’t report it as “Hateful or abusive” content or anything, it’s not like Google or Apple is using automated algorithms to auto disable apps for a period of time after certain thresholds of reports are hit or anything like that
I’m doing my part!
Downloaded, used an empty home for the address, selected The Satanic Temple as my church, deleted the app, and gave it one star. Took 5 minutes.
I don’t have play store on my phone anymore 😭
That’s probably a good thing, though.
Yeah, I run Graphene OS. I have play store and play services for apps that need it, but theres no Google account on my phone and those apps are installed as normal apps (not elevated perms) and are also sandboxed
Join an ever-growing community of Christ followers who are devoted to being a Light in neighborhoods through praying for, caring for, sharing the gospel with, and discipling homes.
Holy shit
Oh wait it says discipling not disciplining. Not quite as holy shit worthy.
While I’d love to add my opinion to the Play Store reviews, there’s no way in Hell I’m installing some kind of Christofascist malware on any device that I control.
Virtual machine and a burner gmail account lol
Install waydroid, install the app, give it a bad rating, uninstall
Was not aware of Waydroid, thanks for the link.
