Hey mates, recently I’ve developed a tool to use the GenerativeAI on the AI Horde to created random avatars and banners on lemmy. To keep things spicy, I wanted to deploy to rotate the /c/piracy banner daily, as I’ve done in a bunch of other communities like !stable_diffusion_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com and the lemmy.dbzer0.com.
So now this is now active!
In case you're curious,. the current prompt used is this:
"A of a (solo:1.2) {cyberpunk|steampunk|solarpunk|dieselpunk|anarchist|fantasy|science fiction} {disney pixar 3D|realistic|dreamworks 3D animation} {male|female|androgynous} {Abkhazian|Afghan|Åland Island|Albanian|Algerian|American Samoan|Andorran|Angolan|Anguillan|Antarctic|Antiguan|Argentine|Armenian|Aruban|Australian|Austrian|Azerbaijani|Bahamian|Bahraini|Bangladeshi|Barbadian|Belarusian Belgian|Belizean|Beninois|Bermudian|Bhutanese|Bolivian|Bonaire|Herzegovinian|Botswana|Bouvet Island|Brazilian|BIOT|Bruneian|Bulgarian|Burkinabé|Burundian|Cabo Verdean|Cambodian|Cameroonian|Canadian|Caymanian|Central African|Chadian|Chilean|Chinese|Christmas Island|Cocos Island|Colombian|Comorian|Congolese|Congolese|Cook Island|Costa Rican|Croatian|Cuban|Curaçaoan|Cypriot|Czech|Danish|Djiboutian|Dominican|Dominican|Timorese|Ecuadorian|Egyptian|Salvadoran|English|Equatorial Guinean|Eritrean|Estonian|Swati|Ethiopian|European|Falkland Island|Faroese|Fijian|Finnish|French|French Guianese|French Polynesian|French Southern Territories|Gabonese|Gambian|Georgian|German|Ghanaian|Gibraltar|Greek|Greenland|Grenadian|Guadeloupe|Guamanian|Guatemalan|Guernsey|Guinean|Bissau-Guinean|Guyanese|Haitian|Heard Island|Honduran|Cantonese|Magyar|Icelandic|Indian|Indonesian|Iranian|Iraqi|Irish|Manx|Israelite|Italian|Ivorian|Jamaican|Jan Mayen|Japanese|Jersey|Jordanian|Kazakhstani|Kenyan|Kiribati|North Korean|South Korean|Kosovan|Kuwaiti|Kyrgyzstani|Laotian|Latvian|Lebanese|Basotho|Liberian|Libyan|Liechtensteiner|Lithuanian|Luxembourgish|Macanese|Madagascan|Malawian|Malaysian|Maldivian|Malinese|Maltese|Marshallese|Martiniquais|Mauritanian|Mauritian|Mahoran|Mexican|Micronesian|Moldovan|Monégasque|Mongolian|Montenegrin|Montserratian|Moroccan|Mozambican|Myanma Burmese|Namibian|Nauruan|Nepalese|Dutch|New Caledonian|New Zealand|Nicaraguan|Nigerien|Nigerian|Niuean|Norfolk Island|Macedonian|Northern Irish|Northern Marianan|Norwegian|Omani|Pakistani|Palauan|Palestinian|Panamanian|Papuan|Paraguayan|Peruvian|Filipino|Pitcairn Island|Polish|Portuguese|Puerto Rican|Qatari|Réunionnais|Romanian|Russian|Rwandan|Saban|Barthélemois|Saint Helenian|Kittitian|Saint Lucian|Saint-Martinoise|Miquelonnais|Vincentian|Samoan|Sammarinese|São Toméan|Saudi|Scottish|Senegalese|Serbian|Seychellois|Sierra Leonean|Singaporean|Sint EustatiusStatian|Sint Maarten|Slovak|Slovenian|Solomon Island|Somali|South African|South Georgia Island|South Ossetian|South Sudanese|Spanish|Sri Lankan|Sudanese|Surinamese|Svalbard|Swedish|Swiss|Syrian|Taiwanese|Tajikistani|Tanzanian|Thai|Timorese|Togolese|Tokelauan|Tongan|Trinidadian|Tunisian|Turkish|Turkmen|Turks and Caicos Island|Tuvaluan|Ugandan|Ukrainian|Emirati|British|American|Uruguayan|Uzbekistani|Ni-Vanuatu|Vaticanian|Venezuelan|Vietnamese|British Virgin Island|U.S. Virgin Island|Welsh|Wallis and Futuna|Sahrawi|Yemeni|Zambian|Zanzibari|Zimbabwean} pirate {standing in front of a sail|sitting in front of a monitor}, {Rococo|Digital Art|Baroque} style, wearing a {red|blue|yellow|green|black|white} {bandana|hat|scarf} and holding a {crimson|gold|silver|emerald|magic|azure|obsidian|ebony} {sword|keyboard|compass|mug|treasure|flag|club|amulet|fruit}, rich detailed {open|cloudy|stormy|sunny} sky background###multiple people, duo, cleavage, bitcoin"
Pretty long ye? The way this works is that each a random option is picked from each collection wrapped in { } which allows me to generate versatile options every day to keep things fresh
Here’s some sample images that will be created
If you have improvements you want to see on the prompt, do let me know in the comments. In the future I’m having thoughts of allowing the community here to automatically send adjustments ideas to the prompt for funsies.
Are you sure it won’t create problems?
User and community profiles are updated at most every 24 hours…
Perhaps there could be some skips since both happen every 24 hours.
I don’t understand the federation enough, so I’d personally bumb it to every 26 hours. Not for any particular reason except that it’s the next whole even number. Or maybe 30 when rounded to 10 which is nice. But I don’t like the 3 so perhaps 40.
Although 250 hours also sounds good as it’s even, a quarter of 1,000 and it’s 900,000 seconds and not some odd number. But that’s so close 1M…Nevermind, I am just overthinking it. But perhaps a bit over 24 hours might be a good idea. I don’t know, perhaps it’s a stupid thought.
They turned out pretty nice! My only suggestion isn’t really AI related, but regarding the logo over it
The white border helps the black logo stand out, though maybe having an additional drop shadow could help it pop out a bit more, though that might be unnecessary. Just something I like to do when Photoshopping, but it’s purely personal preference! It certainly looks good, even without it.
My gimp skills are almost non existent. But I can sent you the files and see of you can improve them
Hey, this is awesome! I might have to set this up to change the banner on my own instance daily. I’ve written a decent amount of python in my time so maybe I can take a look at the code too.
Fluxa Avataria is linked on the top. PRs or suggestions welcome.
This is the kind of wasteful BS that will make me unsubscribe from a whole instance.
I’m here for piracy news, not bad art. Who is this supposed to appeal to?
Instance owner: does something they thought would be cool and was likely interesting to implement
Weird lemmy users: tHiS iS wAsTeFuL bS
You being butt hurt about something INCREDIBLY inconsequential like AI art isn’t going to make it go away.
Nah, it’ll do that on it’s own when the so-called “AI” bubble pops.
it’s just banners dude, you won’t even see them unless you navigate to community.
I’m here for piracy news, not bad art. Who is this supposed to appeal to?
hi it’s me. i’m here for both. :)
Keep in mind the instance itself hosts generative AI communities, it is even mentioned in the sidebar of https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/
as well as the instance’s local communities list
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/communities
Anyways this all seems like a non-issue IMO, most people don’t even see the community homepage and would hardly ever see the banner pic. And db0 isn’t talking about flooding /c/piracy with AI art posts, just updating the community banner… though this instance does have a local community !stable_diffusion_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com if you’re interested in seeing AI art posts.
My brother in christ, you have a banner either way. What exactly is bothering you?
I have problems with so-called “AI” image generators at every level. Economic, ecological, functional, artistic, and moral.
Do you want an essay or just the bullet points?
Your personal feelings aside, this doesn’t practically affect you in any way from how it used to be until now.
Practically, if a website I use implements features that I don’t want to see, then I am effected. I quit Facebook for similar reasons 15 years ago.
Facebook implements things that affect what you get to see and experience (more ads, less people you follow, propaganda etc) for their own profit and empowerements at the cost of the whole society. This just replaces one GenAI image with another for funzies. But sure, if that’s the hill you’re willing to die on, do what you have to do.
Facebook implements things […] for their own profit and empowerements at the cost of the whole society.
The same could be said for the electricity you wasted because you didn’t want to make your own banner.
You realize that making my own banner would waste order more electricity, right? The electricity expended to generate one new image is about as much as the amount you wasted writing these comments
I understand the commenters point, even though I find it poorly conveyed. Some may find this a cool AI-generation project. Does it have anything to do with piracy, the point of this community? Barely if at all. So while it may be foolish and silly to berate the owner of the system, I think this is not the right place to publish about this project.
And I really don’t think people can be blamed either for bringing out this issue.
Please consider my message in good faith.
It’s a change in something about /c/piracy. Where else would I publish this?
The better question is why else you would publish this.
Why did the old banner need replacement? Why not just replace it instead of setting up a bot to waste resources on a painfully generic new banner every day? Why not make it a community effort rather than a soulless corporate one?
There’s nothing corporate about what I do here.
As to why? The because I thought it would be a cool idea to have a new banner every day and because I like randomness, chaos and emergent order. Why do humans change things? Because we can. Because we find the idea cool. Because we like experimenting with creative tools and coming out with never seen before ideas and interactions.
You are fighting a losing battle and are damned if you do and damned if you don’t. I am willing to bet the people complaining about things being changed wouldn’t have even noticed if you hadn’t pointed it out. LOL.
wouldn’t have even noticed if you hadn’t pointed it out.
Yes and I think that would’ve been a good way to roll the change. There will be people who dislike the change or the concept (me included). Roll the change quietly or posting about it on project relevant communities. Then on the site displaying the banner have a note about the project leading to further reading about the project, such as posting similar to this.
This way there would be information for those interested, not only about the project, but the change that had occured too. And ideological opponists would be blissfully ignorant about the whole matter.
But this is just one way to do it. Any way works. Have a good day. 👍
Edit: unaunerisming the post
Oh totally. The irony is that the previous banner was GenAI as well.
There’s nothing corporate about what I do here.
You’re using an image generator that looks exactly like the one developed by employees of billionaire hedge fund manager Emad Mostaque.
So? I also use a PC with components developed by AMD,Nvidia and half a dozen other corporatiosn. I live in a house developed by corporations. I eat food developed by corporations.
And unlike all those, Emad doesn’t get a dime from my random banners.
Same fucking energy
While this is very cool, and a nice idea. I have to vote aginst it. AI art is just so uncanny and soulless.
In my opinion it’d be way better to have human-drawn art as the banner. For starters AI generated “art” can’t really even be called art. “Art” implies that it has some meaning, value, message, or a memory even. AI can make art tho, when you mastered it and use it the same as painter uses a brush. I don’t think a daily random gen in compatible with putting care into what you create. If we switch the banner every day with another auto generated picture, it’ll be just that; a cool picture. But if we maybe switch it up every year (for it to not be stale) with an art competition it’ll have love in it at least, with possibilty for all kind of valuables, such as refrences or a unique style.
You could get around this issue with an avatar. A mascot (of the community) if you will. After having the mascot fed to an AI it can generate it in any position doing anything with any background, allowing us to not waste the idea of another commenter (haui), who suggested that it should be dynamic, that it should change depending on what happened the previous day. It could be refreshed daily, it could be made dynamic, and it’ll have soul.
I can’t draw. But I think I speak for others when I say that I wouldn’t mind drawing a character for a community that I can thank thousands of dollars to.
For starters AI generated “art” can’t really even be called art.
You called it art. Zer0 said images, and its just that.
I’m old enough to recall when people said electronica and sampling wasn’t music. Since then, we have Hip Hop, Daft Punk, Crystal Method, Deadmau5, and hundreds of others wasting their time with music and Grammy nominations and wins.
No reason to take such a strong stance against a daily banner that combines OP’s interests. It’s their instance, after all.
Generative imagery puts creativity in the hands of many more than are artistically or dexterously gifted enough to communicate artistically. It takes nothing away from the community, and if you prefer not to look at it, its as simple as averting your eyeballs a few degrees.
Generative imagery puts creativity in the hands of many more than are artistically or dexterously gifted enough to communicate artistically. It takes nothing away from the community, and if you prefer not to look at it, its as simple as averting your eyeballs a few degrees.
You’re acting as if making art is an ability you’re born with and you can’t make art if you weren’t gifted with it at birth. The beautiful thing about art is the skill and dedication put into the piece.
One of the main things that make humans human, is our creativity, why would we give that up?
Making art with electronics is very different to having “art” made by electronics.
Look at OP’s prompt text and tell me that is not a work of art. Seriously, the ingenuity of it baffles me.
you can tell there’s something off, it doesn’t look human. of course it’s not a “work” of “art” nobody worked on it and it is not artistic.
There’s nothing off about the prompt? I’m not talking about the images.
But you’re not giving it up, since human-made art and AI generated images can both exist.
Sure, it could be said that AI generated images can oversaturate the internet, but a lot of sites that host art, both SFW and NSFW, have reacted by tagging AI art and allowing the user to filter them out.
There’s so many forms of art in the world and one lifetime isn’t enough to learn it all. Music, visual arts, cooking, writing, etc. I choose to focus on some art forms at the expense of others.
If the technology exists to make it easier to visually represent something on my mind and give me time to focus on my other pursuits, I’m all for it.
I’m not going to cut throats over banners, chill out. And also it’d seem I wasn’t clear with my points. I understand that AI can still produce art. My point was that if AI is used to make art it’s used the same way as any other tool, but randomly generating pictures is an edge case.
One could argue that this is just natural evolution. Before, when you made a nice picture (let’s say on a canvas) it was one-of-a-kind, and that made it more special, more art-y. But, if you’d have used AI instead, you could have gotten an infinite number pictures all with similar artistic values. However, I’d say that this isn’t true, because afaik sometimes what the machine gives back to you is very bad (by means of not achieving the goals of the artist), and you have to regenerate it. This means that you can’t call “all” AI generated images art even if it was made with care.
Compared to your music example, I agree. But, I believe you haven’t considered the fact that it is still one-of-a-kind. No matter the instrument (because the new electronic sounds are just that basically).
Picture the scenario where somebody (A nobody with no goals, motives, or deep thoughts) just press a couple of buttons and some toon starts playing. “It’s pleasing ig” is the only feeling you get from it. Or get someone, with passion and a dream, to use the same method, but instead of stopping at the first toon, they continue to improve it, to refine it, to redo it as many times as it takes for it to be perfect. Imo I’d consider scenario A’s result and B’s failed attempts to not be art, B’s result however is art.
For starters AI generated “art” can’t really even be called art.
You called it art. Zer0 said images, and its just that.
I think I would argue that this immediate jump to “AI is NOT Art” that a lot of these commenters are making could be considered strawman arguments exactly for that reason. db0 and others have not and are not claiming that it is or isn’t art, this is just an announcement that we have an image generator to randomize banners and also sharing the code so those that want it can integrate it in their instance.
We had an AI banner for months. You could have offered these suggestion any time before now. Anyway, the idea of a reusing a recognisable mascot in the GenAI art isn’t bad
Well, I wasn’t active before now :p
just wanted to put my two cents out there
I’ve got a similar opinion, but didn’t feel like expressing it before because my opinion wasn’t asked for before.
This is an anarchist server. Direct action are the words.
👉👈 but direct action is scary
Listen buddy, your opinion is welcome here!
However, I disagree with you and I like what db0 did
Also wanted to drop a comment that this is awesome and a fantastic use of AI!
Just to make sure I understood things on my research correctly, AI Horde utilizes Stable Diffusion which is already trained with LAION dataset, is that correct?
I am just an user and not even part of your instance, but I think it would feel nicer to have a member of the community creating the images and the commissions being paid through community funds but well, since this is a piracy community this might not be a shared sentiment.
Lol we’re not getting enough donations tomorrow even pay the server costs
This is really unfortunate considering how popular the community is. I honestly assumed your instance was doing fine with donations, so maybe a lot of people might do it as well. Having the donation goal on the side bar could help, maybe? This community has helped me and my spouse a lot so we will be definitely be donating in the next few days.
I always orient my services towards the people who have the least disposable income. It’s not surprising that I don’t get a ton of donations :-/ Servers oriented towards techbros make thousands a month with less users >_<
I don’t talk here but I am a user and this community has helped me a whole hell of a lot. I’ll see if I can get a donation heading your way when I next get paid! thanks for your hard work.
How about I just downvote you for harassing someone and making off topic comments to the thread?
How about I just block you? Mic drop…
Be Weird, Download a Car, Generate Art, Screw Copyrights
Captain be taking his motto onto other levels
Dropping by to say I’m against the AI banners. The various reasons have been laid out and bickered about plenty already, just throwing my opinion in the ring. I think it’d be cooler to put a call out to the community for artists to whip up some banners with their tag for promotion and cycle through those, but that’s just me.
I’m not here to die on a hill and argue so don’t @ me if you’re just tryna fight.
Very neat idea, though I do have a question, are these banners set to upload to the pictrs database or are they set to upload to a fixed location with the pointer in the community set to that location, it might be a better idea to do that i.e. community banner set to i.e.
https://dbzer0.com/images/piracybanner/banner.pngand have it overwrite that image when replacing without changing the hardcoded link in the communities. I’ve done this on my other profiles, using a hard-coded link to another site and changing the images there without uploading a new one.A reason why that could be worth it is because on pictrs the old ones aren’t normally deleted and they can accumulate fast. Of course you could also set up automated deletion of the old one on pictrs which would accomplish the same thing but could be a bit more challenging since I’ve heard pictrs management is a pain on Lemmy in its current state.
It’s on pictrs with automated deletion of the old one every time
Thanks for teaching some new techniques with SD prompting. I had no idea prompts could be done that way. Could try playing around with some negative prompting to steer it away from things at random… cartoon or plastic etc. I’d like to see a mix of more realistic looking banners, some orc pirates, maybe tiny fairy pirates.
i dont like them. They look like the millionth ai-art-post and i am sick of this. I would prefer some ascii/ansi art - its more nerdy and fits more to the releases we consume.
My vote is no. While piracy is used to store and preserve media, at least for me. This directly deprives artists, something I can’t support.
Ai in all its generative forms is bad for everyone and I do not support it or your use of it.
Artists are deprived residuals because of your “preservation” piracy. Stop splitting hairs.
In for a penny, in for a pound. They’re pirates. We’re pirates.
Lol why not start just disobeying all laws? I’ll get back you when you start murdering etc. In for a penny in for a pound.
Don’t be dumb. You might think it’s splitting hairs, but where we choose to draw the line has always been important.
You’re literally talking about copyright infringement in both cases. It’s a direct analogy.
How you go from “You pirate movies” to “…SO I GUESS YOU’RE IN FAVOR OF MURDER,” is a strange trail.
We disagree. That’s fine. You’re not convinced by me. Many aren’t.
I think this person is very clearly a troll with nothing better to do.
Phenomenal work as always!
My suggestion is mood and topic based prompts derived from the current trajectory of the sub, for example:
Always compared to the day before
- more swearwords = stormy weather
- more anti corporate speak = more punky/anarchist pictures
- more friendly words = sunny weather
- more people joining = more ships in the background
- more posts = more loot/gold in the background
This is pretty complex but would give it a unique adaptive vibe instead of randomness alone.
Just an idea. Thanks for reading. :)
Oh that’s a great idea! I’ll see if I can utilize this somehow. Feel free to share code as well ;)
Thanks! Will try if I can come up with something.
You might be able to adapt code that’s used to analyze text to form word clouds in order to pull that off
No idea where exactly to look but the concepts seem pretty much identical, just change the output
Yo db dont let these haters get you down. I think it looks like a really cool project and love the idea of a shifting banner than anyone can contribute prompts to. I also love the idea of backgroud details being influenced by various metrics of the community.
AI is a tool (just like photoshop, electric lawn mowers, and combustion engines). Anyone who thinks its replacing artists are really underestimating the editing needed to produce something good from AI generators. And this is comming from a writer who loves how much AI has helped with various parts of the process.
AI is a tool that is fundamentally based on the concept of theft and plagiarism. The LLM training data comes from artists and creators that did not consent to their work being plagiarized by a hallucinating machine.
You are in a piracy community
So is art itself. I might not name things the same as my inspirations or create anything identical, but I haven’t written a single thing that wasn’t based on something else.
I don’t want the AI being trained on my work either, but that’s because I oppose “automated mass slavery”
“Oh, you don’t want to be a slave in return for only the most basic of food and shelter? Sure, see if there are any jobs out there anymore, now that robots can do all of it for rich arrogant god complex sufferers like me. Lets lay the new ground rules… You’re DISPOSABLE to me. Beg and worship or die.” - A designated slaveowner’s thought process, 2084.
Stop thinking like a capitalist and start thinking like you’re an angry drunk if you really believe LLM should be outlawed. Envy is not a flattering look on anyone, you included. At least protests and riots get shit done, even if that means sacrificing a lifestyle you’re clearly only enjoying thanks to being self-centered in your artistic pursuits.
Man, I love a person on u/piracy arguing we can’t do something because it’s theft and plagiarism.
Keelhauling is too good for them.
yeah silly me for supporting artists with my money but also downloading drm-free copies of things so I can actually exercise a semblance of ownership. but sure, keelhaul me so you can keep your sense of smug superiority.
I wouldn’t expect most of people here to be reasonable. Some people just piracy for the sake of doing it and just take advantage of the ownership argument.
Fact is, art is SO hard that I am in my 30s, broke and have no employable skills other than research, social skills (barely, blame Autism for ruining it for me) and creative ability.
I earned, like, $15 to $20 CAD from publishing a book of short stories on Amazon over 2 years. Before you ask why, I am not excluding quality as a possibility but for the most part it’s because nobody is into optimistic post-singularity sci-fi anymore and I refuse to rely on anything but word of mouth for advertisement because screw the advertocracy.
My point is, if people pirate Cody Gibling’s works, I’d rather they do so because I only want enough money to be comfortable and anything else I get would be aimed at more serious pursuits like activism. You know what I pirate? Anything that they make too hard to access in the first place. Like dead MMOs or completed movies that were cancelled to get the studio a free tax break.
But you’re not allowed to. You’re STEALING, and you should ask, “Am I the baddie?”
I see where youre comming from & also think its important to support artists I like, and I do. I think both AI and artists can coexist & serve different purposes.
Something like this, using AI for a banner, is using a tool for people to create something they couldnt/wouldnt before. It doesnt mean I’m not going to buy a cool print or painting from an artist I like.
& I think its cool to have something that aggregates information and makes it accesible and easy to work with for the masses. Its messed up that it is currently controlled by corporate interests, but there are also people working on FOSS ai. Its this kind of snapshot of humanity in its current state, that I think goes beyond any particular artist/writer/person.
I get being worried about it taking jobs, but I think new ones will spring up to take their place.
(Or really optimistically maybe well see some sort of radical change that will make the concept of ‘earning a living’ obsolete, like UBI or something)
Edited to add: as a writer, people who buy my writing wouldnt just use ai to replace me. If anything it can supplement my work by making it easier for fans to make fanart & help build hype around the universe and characters that I created.
In germany we have „bürgergeld“: state pay you living minimum (include food and rent) when you do not have job or cannot find one (it more complicated, this simplified). Also we have minimum wage roughly above living minimum.
Not exactly UBI, but i think close enough.
Yeah! Thats definetly a step in the right direction. Programs like that will help ease the transition towards a new system as technology continues advancing.
Now we just need more countries/people to jump on board lol
