Donald Trump was supposed to have to post a $464 million bond by Monday or else the state of New York could begin collecting on the massive civil fraud judgment leveled against him earlier this year. An appeals court bailed him out, blocking collection of the judgment and giving the former president 10 days to post a drastically reduced $175 million bond.
The order is a huge win for Trump, whose assets were going to be subject to seizure if he couldn’t post nearly half-a-billion dollars by Monday. His lawyers said last week he wasn’t going to be able to come up with the money after 30 underwriters rejected him. The New York Times has reported that Trump is expected to be able to scrounge the new, reduced $175 million bond
You know, it’s almost like the justice system has… I dunno. Problems or something.
I have lost all faith in our justice system.
I have lost all faith in our
justicesystem.There was never reason to have faith in it to begin with.
It’s a justice system that began with maintaining the institution of chattel slavery and continues to maintain the institution of slavery through the prison system, and convicting black people more often and for longer sentences.
You still had any? Damn…
“Justice system” is a misnomer. “Legal system” is more apt.
Shit. Shit. Shit shit shit. I knew some asshole stunt like this would happen. I said it at the very beginning - trump will never pay for any of the despicable things he’s done, and he’ll never ever set foot in prison.
I do not know what sort of strings he has attached to other people’s spines, I do not know what sort of tremendous fear they have of him or what strange powers he must have - but I knew, I KNEW some horseshit like this would come along and fuck up the whole fucking process.
THe judicial system in the U.S. is an utter piece of total crap.
What a great country you guys have…
Every other country in the world reading that comment.
The one universal truth is that the same rules do not apply to the rich and powerful, no matter where you live.
Suuure…
Where do you live?
Denialand.
burn this country down
Violence would solve this problem.
Yeah, people forget America needed a revolution to become America when the system was failing.
It would, but it would also create lots of new problems. I would regain some hope for humanity, though, if the people finally woke up to the reality of their 350,000,000:1 ratio against their oppressors…
Rule of law either doesn’t apply or is very lenient to rich people.
The application of the rule of law being dependent on the size of one’s bank account has long been a proud bipartisan tradition in this country.
Does anyone else have a feeling he won’t be able to come up with this amount either?
I have zero doubt that he will be able to fundraise this amount in the 10 day extension he was given. There are several people I went to high school with (in Ontario) that are actively donating to him.
Yup.
He’s already posted a reaction post to Truth Social which fawns over the Appeals Court ruling. I don’t trust the words if he says he can pay, but I trust that he would be whining like a toddler in time-out right now if he couldn’t. So he’ll probably be able to pay.
Until he thinks “wait a minute, I whined and whined and they reduced the bond. Maybe if I continue whining and whining they’ll reduce it more.”
It’s a lot easier to get a few $50M bonds than to get five $100M bonds (I read some post that said these big bond places have firm limits at $100M). It also gives him 10 more days to tout how he is about to make $3B on his Truth Social sale (to a shell company who overinflated the price) and will totally be good for the bond. I think he can do it just to avoid them digging into his finances.
It’s complete bullshit. Normal people are not given this kind of leniency.
He doesn’t have to, his sycophantic followers will go into bankruptcy to provide it for him. I just found out he’s already raised more than this to pay the debt as of this morning.
People say he’s being treated different, and he is. Special treatment in his favour.
How republican do I have to be to get light sentences for crime because Im trying to ***** a *** in the ****
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It’s not surprising, but it’s still disheartening.
Not surprised at all, but obviously dissapointed.
What does it say about our society and justice system if we’d be more surprised if he actually was held accountable, as opposed to getting off lightly.
It’s not surprising, just disappointing. I’ve learned never to get my hopes up.
So we can all just do whatever we want without consequences right? Or is it still just rich fascists the rules don’t apply to?
What appeals court? I thought Trump had to post $464 million in order to even appeal. How did he manage that?
He has to post the bond so they don’t start seizing his property during the appeal. It’s basically putting the fine plus interest in a separate account during the appeal to make sure you’re good for the money if you lose the appeal. Otherwise he could have gone on with the appeal, but could lose Trump Tower without the bond posted.
Ahhh, thanks. I’m from Europe, so it’s hard for me to even begin to understand the US legal system.
And specifically what he did here was appeal the order telling him to get his bond for the “main” appeals process.
I’m from Europe, so it’s hard for me to even begin to understand the US legal system.
Beyond what they see on TV police/courtroom dramas, most Americans don’t understand it very well either.
Do these judges have to explain their decision? Is there an opinion published somewhere? I’d love to understand what context brought them to this conclusion, I’ve never heard of someone gaining leniency because they couldn’t afford the fine.
There’s an old saying in Tennessee, I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, “don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time”…
I guess there’s a problem in that he needs the money in order to appeal.
Like everyone should have some right of appeal, and saying someone can’t appeal because they’re broke could be used to manipulate the justice system.
He still has to pay the whole amount if he loses the appeal.
The whole point of the bond is to prevent pointless appeals in the court (which I have to assume this will be) and, more importantly, serves as a guarantee the defendant will fulfill their obligations and pay at the end of an appeal failure, which … trump is absolutely a risk of not paying. And these judges have now effectively cast the guarantee aside.
Perhaps, but do you agree everyone should be able to appeal?
The published order is just that. It doesn’t explain the why or whatever just “We are reducing the bond amount and not removing the other limitations of the ruling”
“…because Project 2025”
It’s actually a pretty liberal court that made the ruling.
There’s an old saying in Tennessee, I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee
You know we’re fucked when I’m nostalgic for a time when Republicans were just dumb fucks trying to make their friends rich, rather than dumb fucks trying to destroy our democracy.
Isn’t the first one a prerequisite for the second one?
It if were you or me or anyone else but trump, you know damn well there’d be ZERO leniency of any kind.
I don’t know what sort of incredible powers he has, but he definitely has. Maybe I’m coming around to see him not as a traitor or an idiot anymore, but sort of a superhero with powers I’m just beginning to appreciate. Maybe I will vote for him after all - he simply can’t be held down or held responsible, and that’s pretty amazing.
The way this shit goes, I’m not going to be surprised if Trump will declare to be ineligible to be judged on the basis of being a sovereign citizen
A sovereign citizen couldnt run for President
Just like someone involved in an insurrection couldn’t, right?
I meant because they are trying to be sovereign from the US of their own accord, therefore adjacent to the US political system and not part of it, again, by their own choosing.
The sovereign citizens of which there are a surprisingly huge number (I never will know how they got licenses or jobs here since they claim they aren’t actually citizens of our country) would definitely support that.
Trump is a man who prior to 2015, was a close personal friend of both of the Clintons.
As I understand it, Ivanka is still a close friend of Chelsea Clinton.
He might act like he’s not part of the elite power clique. But he’s absolutely part of the elite power clique.
