A shooting at a bar in a popular outdoor mall in a Miami suburb early Saturday left two dead and seven injured.
According to local law enforcement, an altercation at a martini bar at the CityPlace Doral complex broke out around 3:30 a.m. Saturday, prompting a security guard working the scene to intervene. A man involved in the altercation subsequently produced a gun and shot and killed the guard.
“You start hearing shots. And it wasn’t one. It was one after another, after another, after another,” recalled Peter Andres Jordan, who was in the bar at the time.
Two police officers then shot and killed the alleged gunman, but not before one officer and six bystanders — five men and a woman, according to police — were wounded in the shootout.
So, a security guard and two police weren’t enough to stop the violence.
I guess this proves we need more good guys with guns on the streets, doesn’t it?
[s/, because some folks haven’t realized that the NRA was a Russian psy-op yet]
Yea it’s the NRAs fault and all the other gun groups fault for gang violence, and we can totally get rid of 450+ million firearms because we know that criminals who aren’t allowed to have guns in the first place will turn them in.
Yeah, so I guess we should just change nothing, right?
/s in case it wasn’t blatantly obvious we are in desperate need of changing gun laws.
No we need to fix our society. No gun laws are magically going to stop the violence. Safety nets, education, removal of for profit prisons, single payer healthcare, and ending the war on drugs will curb more of the violence in our society than any gun law you can dream up.
No we need to fix our society
Off you go then. Let us know when you’re all done fixing it and you can have your guns back, because all you’re doing here is admitting that the current gun laws are incompatible with the America we live in today.
You’re plan is to put a bandaid on a cancer patient.
Remember 5 seconds ago when you said there wasn’t a problem with legal gun owners? That’s the trouble with just collecting excuses from lobbyists and gun owners without actually thinking for yourself – you end up mashing all your apolgism together in contradictory ways. Looks like you don’t have enough of your cult friends here to bail you out either.
Anyway do you know what doctors actually do with cancer patients? They treat them over a period of months or years, incrementally attacking the cancer bit by bit until no trace of it remains.
But when the tumors turn up in your body, be sure to tell your doctor that letting the cancer spread is better than any solution that isn’t instantly and completely effective.
Yes, I have to agree the problem is not just gun laws, and, in isolation, changes to gun laws would not fix the root of the problem.
Reduction through attrition
Good luck with that.
And please ignore every other country who has done this successfully. Illegal guns are extremely easy to have in the US specifically because guns are everywhere. The enormous effort to track which one’s are allowed isn’t working.
America is the only first world country with this daily problem.
Australia had a 60% turn in rate on their 1 million firearms in civ hands when they did their forced confiscation. Do you know what 40% of 450+ million firearms is? Do you also want to start a civil war by telling the police, that kill 1k of us a year, to go forcefully into everyones homes to confiscate them?
You don’t have to go forcefully into anyone’s home.
Ok, so how do you plan on getting rid of the few hundred million firearms that won’t be turned in?
Again, good luck with that. There are more guns now in Australia than before the 1996 ban…
You ban firearms:
Year one and two: firearms can be turned in to the authorities for a rebate. Possession of a firearm or ammo is a misdemeanor resulting in the confiscation of such, with no further action. Use of a firearm in commission of a crime carriers a harsher penalty. Trading firearms attracts a fine.
Year three to five/six: as above, but possession now arracts a fine, increasing year on year starting as an inconvenience, ending as quite punitive. Trading firearms arracts prison time. Guns and ammo can be handed in anonymously, no rebate/reward.
Year six to ten/fifteen: as above, possession is now a criminal offence, with jail sentences starting at a few months, increasing year on year to serious jail time, commensurate with civilised countries. Trading attracts harsher sentences.
Do you know what 40% of 450+ million firearms
Yep, it’s 60% less than 100% of 450+ million and every single one of them removed from circulation makes people safer.
Do you also want to start a civil war by telling the police, that kill 1k of us a year, to go forcefully into everyones homes to confiscate them?
That’s the idiots view of how gun control works and you couldn’t make it any clearer that your understanding of gun control comes straight from the gun lobby.
You can’t even keep your idiocy straight in your own comment. Did Australia send police to “go forcefully into everyone’s homes to confiscate them”?
Yep, it’s 60% less than 100% of 450+ million and every single one of them removed from circulation makes people safer.
Lol no it doesn’t. Less firearms doesn’t magically make anyone safer. Making sure people don’t turn to crime to survive does, making sure there is mental health and single payer healthcare so people who need the help can get it without fear does. Making sure our children are properly educated and aren’t crammed into classrooms where kids cannot get proper education does… But you keep thinking that taking away firearms will magically fix all of our underlying issues. You sound like someone who puts a new roof on a house while the rest of it underneath is being eaten by rot and termites.
That’s the idiots view of how gun control works and you couldn’t make it any clearer that your understanding of gun control comes straight from the gun lobby.
Lol I don’t follow the gun lobby. You’re arguing with a left leaning person, who wants to make sure our society has a good foundation. You on the other hand sound like some white privilege suburb kid who is terrified of anyone that’s not like you.
You can’t even keep your idiocy straight in your own comment. Did Australia send police to “go forcefully into everyone’s homes to confiscate them”?
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/citation/quotes/2572
Yeah they did, they have collected a shit ton of guns since the 1996 confiscation, but it really didn’t do anything because there are more firearms in the hands of civilians there than there were in 96.
Less firearms doesn’t magically make anyone safer.
Even disregarding all the studies and statistics proving you wrong, the abject failure of pro-gun policy for over 20 years has made it clear that more guns don’t make anyone safer.
The property crime rate is identical to every other wealthy country, only with a layer of murder on top. The police execute more people in the street without cause or punishment. The upcoming election is between a neoliberal and a barely coherent reality TV star who openly simps for fascists.
So what exactly are we tolerating all this violence for? Your sad little hero fantasies?
Making sure people don’t turn to crime to survive blah blah blah
Nothing more than your latest bullshit excuse. You told us it was Marilyn Manson and video games. Then you told us it was because schools had too many doors and not enough God. Now you’re blaming social issues (all of which pro-gun politicians oppose fixing) because you know it’s an excuse that will be good for 50 years.
So fuck off and build it. While you do, we can address the gun problem that by your own admission escalates these problems into murder and terrorism.
Making sure our children are properly educated and aren’t crammed into classrooms where kids cannot get proper education does
Don’t worry, there isn’t a child in America who hasn’t been “properly educated” about what happens when a parade of red flags becomes a “responsible gun owner”. They’ve gone to school every day wondering if their school will be next and watched as the pro-gun community spat on them for speaking out. One day, they’ll be the ones writing laws and they’re going to remember exactly how much compassion you showed them.
But you keep thinking that taking away firearms will magically fix all of our underlying issues
You mean the issues that progressives have been fighting to address since long before gun owners decided to use them as their latest scapegoat? Don’t worry, we can do more than one thing at a time but unfortunately for you, we’re not obliged to follow your bullshit “fix every other problem first” demands.
You sound like someone who puts a new roof on a house while the rest of it underneath is being eaten by rot and termites.
I actually love this analogy because you’re too fucking stupid to realise that the rot could absolutely be a problem with a failing roof that needs replacing. But there you are in your rotting house, gormlessly insisting your roof is infallible and perfect.
Lol I don’t follow the gun lobby.
You absolutely do. That’s why your opinions and talking points are perfectly aligned with what’s most profitable to them. All you’re doing is admitting that you fell for their propaganda without a single critical thought.
You’re arguing with a left leaning person, who wants to make sure our society has a good foundation.
I don’t care who you are. It’s anonymous social media. You could claim to be anyone or anything. You’re awkwardly repeating the same rhetoric as pro-gun reactionaries so I’m going to treat you like a pro-gun reactionary.
You on the other hand sound like some white privilege suburb kid who is terrified of anyone that’s not like you.
Watching you try the “use their values against them” technique for a second time actually makes you sound more far-right. It’s a strategy openly advocated by neo-nazi groups and you’re really shoehorning trying to shoehorn it in.
Yeah they did, they have collected a shit ton of guns since the 1996 confiscation
Yeah good link fuckstick, it says absolutely nothing. Are you genuinely just relying on the fact the word “seized” appears on the page? Police sieze illegal firearms when they’re discovered. They didn’t go door to door tearing poor, innocent semiautomatic weapons from the bosom of their loving owners. Who fills your head with this dogshit?
do anything because there are more firearms in the hands of civilians there than there were in 96.
Oh look, more “gun control according to pro-gun groups”. You know it is too, because you’re getting slimy with your wording again. Are those “more firearms” illegal weapons? Are they in the hands of criminals?
Nope. Counter to all your greasy propaganda, Australia didn’t “ban guns” – those “more weapons” are legal, lower-risk weapons, in the hands of people with firearms licenses, who have been members in good standing at a range or club for more than 6 months, have been psychologically assessed, have demonstrated they can safely operate a firearm and must keep their weapons in a gun safe that no unlicensed person can access.
And what a shocking plot twist, no mass shootings ans assaults and property crimes never involve guns. They didn’t even have to solve every single social problem that gun owners could think of first.
What youre saying is you don’t want the gun to go no matter the risk.
We’re saying Americans should rethink what they want to do with guns, not for the government to forcefully remove them.
Plenty of countries have the right to own guns, you just can’t have 4 ARs for your shopping trip at walmart. They dont have multiple shootings per day.
What youre saying is you don’t want the gun to go no matter the risk.
Yup. Deal with it.
We’re saying Americans should rethink what they want to do with guns, not for the government to forcefully remove them.
Americans as a whole are more favored to own firearms. This little anti gun family here on social media is a minority.
Plenty of countries have the right to own guns, you just can’t have 4 ARs for your shopping trip at walmart. They dont have multiple shootings per day.
An AR is a plastic semi automatic rifle. It’s no different from any of my other semi automatics. This is why the majority of gun owners don’t even want to discuss this stuff with you lot anymore. We’re tired of the ignorance.
Yup. Deal with it.
Bit late to admit that nothing will ever change your mind but at least now we know these “discussions” you’re having are nothing more to you than an opportunity to spread propaganda.
Americans as a whole are more favored to own firearms. This little anti gun family here on social media is a minority.
Aww, someone is missing his little brigade of sock puppets. Don’t worry, they’ll turn up soon, not realizing their votes are public and easily exposed.
An AR is a plastic semi automatic rifle. It’s no different from any of my other semi automatics. This is why the majority of gun owners don’t even want to discuss this stuff with you lot anymore. We’re tired of the ignorance.
He literally never claimed otherwise, you just desperately wanted to use the “people who want gun control just don’t understand guns” talking point.
But who cares anyway? We don’t let paedophiles block sexual abuse laws by claiming “you just don’t understand because you haven’t fucked a kid” because we know that problems can’t be trusted to suggest solutions.
Bit late to admit that nothing will ever change your mind but at least now we know these “discussions” you’re having are nothing more to you than an opportunity to spread propaganda.
Naa it’s not propaganda, you’re just to ignorant to catch on that firearms will never go away from this country. And your common sense bullshit laws will not effect anything.
Aww, someone is missing his little brigade of sock puppets. Don’t worry, they’ll turn up soon, not realizing their votes are public and easily exposed.
Lol no one fucking cares about voting on this platform. Lol this isn’t real life, go touch grass you basement dwelling tool.
He literally never claimed otherwise, you just desperately wanted to use the “people who want gun control just don’t understand guns” talking point.
Lol that’s why AWB is constantly the topic at hand.
But who cares anyway? We don’t let paedophiles block sexual abuse laws by claiming “you just don’t understand because you haven’t fucked a kid” because we know that problems can’t be trusted to suggest solutions.
Might be because there isn’t an amendment for being a child molesting piece of shit…what a fucking dumbass take to have.
At least you admit it has nothing to do with gangs or the number of Americans, you just want guns.
I can rephrase that last part. America is the only country that needs plastic semi-automatics at walmart. Better?
Walmart doesn’t sell ARs. This is seriously how ignorant you are on the topic. Arguing with you is like a child making up shit to get their pouting ways. Lol
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/changing-story-nra-and-russia
I can add dozens of other stories about how Russian money was funnelled into the organization.
If you want to talk about gang violence, we can talk about how Oliver North’s cocaine Contras flooded the USA with enough powder to create the Crack Wars of the 1980s.
There wasn’t much meat in that story. While it is suspicious that a Russian oligarch paid for a lifetime membership in the NRA , that is not the same thing as funneling money into the Trump campaign. Can you cite any others that have more substantive allegations around Russian money in the NRA?
Before the more reactionary people attack me for being pro NRA, I most certainly am not. I just prefer to advance one or two solid arguments instead of a dozen mediocre or weak ones.
Edit: And thank you for posting that. I did not know there was even that much suspicion on them for accepting Russian money, though it isn’t much of a surprise.
Cool, fuck the NRA, I really don’t give a shit about that crap organization for FUDDs.
What does history in the 80s have to do with solving our today problem? Ending the war on drugs, removing for profit prisons, ending qualified immunity, single payer healthcare and safety needs for the poor. all will have a bigger effect than trying to take guns away.
Cool, fuck the NRA, I really don’t give a shit about that crap organization for FUDDs
Especially now you’ve got representation that’s even more far-right and cultish.
Classic pro-gun propaganda. Everybody is a “responsible gun owner” (despite that responsibility being entirely optional) until they shoot someone, then they’re instantly a “gang member” so they don’t count. Nevermind that the word “gang” doesn’t appear anywhere in the article and it easily could have been another generic conservative losing control of his emotions.
But even if they were criminals, there is no magic gun fairy supplying them with firearms. The existing laws completely fail to identify criminals and straw purchases, but we’re forbidden from changing them because they’ll inconvenience gun owners.
But don’t worry if you won’t pass a background check, gun owners still have you covered. Most states still allow private sales to happen without a background check, because the gun lobby staunchly opposes closing that loophole. But if your state isn’t one of them, you still don’t have to worry because “responsible gun owners” who irresponsibly store their firearms provide the black market with tens of thousands of stolen guns every year.
Stop letting the problem insist they’re the solution.
Classic pro-gun propaganda. Everybody is a “responsible gun owner” (despite that responsibility being entirely optional) until they shoot someone, then they’re instantly a “gang member” so they don’t count. Nevermind that the word “gang” doesn’t appear anywhere in the article and it easily could have been another generic conservative losing control of his emotions.
ROFL yeah… it’s a conservative hillbilly that’s having shoot outs in the middle of the city…I forgot how abundant those guys are in the middle of a downtown area. Stop being an ignorant fool and start understanding what gang violence is.
But even if they were criminals, there is no magic gun fairy supplying them with firearms. The existing laws completely fail to identify criminals and straw purchases, but we’re forbidden from changing them because they’ll inconvenience gun owners.
Lol just no. Straw purchases get prosecuted all the time, but most of your violent criminals are let out by soft on crime DAs who keep non-violent drug offenders locked up. Almost all gun owners want the laws on the books to be enforced. We have already around 20,000 gun laws between fed/state/local governments… enforcement is what is needed.
But don’t worry if you won’t pass a background check, gun owners still have you covered. Most states still allow private sales to happen without a background check, because the gun lobby staunchly opposes closing that loophole. But if your state isn’t one of them, you still don’t have to worry because “responsible gun owners” who irresponsibly store their firearms provide the black market with tens of thousands of stolen guns every year.
Lol, gun owners have been wanting to get access to the NCSI for a long time. Most of us when we do sell, sell to people who have a CCW, or people we directly know. The feds don’t want to provide access to it. So nope. Try again.
Stop letting the problem insist they’re the solution.
Lol there are 450+ million firearms in civ hands, 100+ million owners, if we were the problem you’d know about it. But that white privilege thought process you got going on doesn’t let you see past your ignorance.
a conservative hillbilly that’s having shoot outs in the middle of the city…I forgot how abundant those guys are in the middle of a downtown area
I think these days you’re supposed to be pretending you don’t just mean “black people”.
Straw purchases get prosecuted all the time
Oh yeah, a whole 12 of them. That should stop it.
We have already around 20,000 gun laws between fed/state/local governments
[With the gun lobby and pro-gun groups pushing for less and less of them every day](We have already around 20,000 gun laws between fed/state/local governments)
enforcement is what is needed
Didn’t take you long to trip over your own talking points. Straw purchases are prosecuted all the time but the problem is laws not being enforced?
Lol, gun owners have been wanting to get access to the NCSI for a long time. Most of us when we do sell, sell to people who have a CCW, or people we directly know. The feds don’t want to provide access to it. So nope. Try again.
Love how slimy your wording is through all of that. “Most” gun owners make a token, voluntary effort to not sell guns to criminals. Should we look up exactly who has blocked and opposed universal background checks?
If we were the problem you’d know about it
We do know about it. We know that you’re 70% of mass shooters, with most of the remaining 30% being children of “responsible gun owners” who just took their parents poorly secured firearm. We know that we can trace more than half the guns recovered from crimes back to a “responsible gun owner”. We know that you’re significantly more likely to murder the people in your house, if they don’t kill themselves first
But it hasn’t impacted you or your buddies yet, so you don’t care.
But that white privilege thought process you got going on doesn’t let you see past your ignorance.
Take your guns, lies and word salad of excuses and go fuck yourself.
I think these days you’re supposed to be pretending you don’t just mean “black people”.
I’m a minority dipshit. Hillbillies usually kill each other in rural areas. Put your racist white privileged bullshit back in the box.
Oh yeah, a whole 12 of them. That should stop it.
Lol yeah only 12…
Don’t know what you think you’re talking about but they’ve done a lot more than 12.
[With the gun lobby and pro-gun groups pushing for less and less of them every day](We have already around 20,000 gun laws between fed/state/local governments)
Cool. That’s because most of the laws on the books today, effect minorities the most and are designed by racism.
Didn’t take you long to trip over your own talking points. Straw purchases are prosecuted all the time but the problem is laws not being enforced?
Yea lot of other laws don’t get enforced, like letting out criminals constantly who are actually violent, but keeping non violent drug offenders locked up.
Love how slimy your wording is through all of that. “Most” gun owners make a token, voluntary effort to not sell guns to criminals. Should we look up exactly who has blocked and opposed universal background checks?
Universal background checks do not work. Allowing firearm owners access to the DB would help people run their own checks during private sales. You can’t enforce a universal background check without a registry. That’s why it’s a stupid law that solves nothing. It’s more emotional bullshit from the anti gun crowd.
We do know about it. We know that you’re 70% of mass shooters, with most of the remaining 30% being children of “responsible gun owners” who just took their parents poorly secured firearm. We know that we can trace more than half the guns recovered from crimes back to a “responsible gun owner”. We know that you’re significantly more likely to murder the people in your house, if they don’t kill themselves first
Lol none of that is even remotely true. Stealing someone’s car then using it during a robbery doesn’t make the original owner responsible for the crime. But you’re incapable of understanding that.
But it hasn’t impacted you or your buddies yet, so you don’t care.
Lol cry more kid.
Take your guns, lies and word salad of excuses and go fuck yourself.
Lol hit a nerve did I? Keep up with your white privilege bullshit. Most people will never even see a firearm fired in a criminal way. It’s a statical anomaly, but it’s pushed to your TV and news constantly so it must happen to everyone daily.
I’m a minority dipshit. Hillbillies usually kill each other in rural areas. Put your racist white privileged bullshit back in the box
Oh yeah? Well I’m 15 minorities so until you prove otherwise, everything I say is extra extra valid /s.
Also, you just made yourself sound more far-right yet again. You’re just throwing around “white privilege” like a Fox News viewer with seemingly no understanding of what it means.
You may or may not be a minority, but you’re correct that you’re a dipshit.
Don’t know what you think you’re talking about but they’ve done a lot more than 12.
Good job you clown. Your own source says 31 people in 17 cases. Your “a lot more than 12” is literally 5 more. It’s not even twice as many.
You could have hidden behind your “they don’t enforce enough” comment but nope, you wanted to push “straw purchases aren’t a problem” no matter how humiliating.
Cool. That’s because most of the laws on the books today, effect minorities the most and are designed by racism
Isn’t it just fascinating how every time I reply to a pro-gun comment on Lemmy, they just happen to be black?
But don’t worry, the “laws on the books today” are the work of the pro-gun groups you simp for. Have you already forgotten which of us is defending the current laws and which of us thinks they’re dogshit and need replacing?
Yea lot of other laws don’t get enforced, like letting out criminals constantly who are actually violent
Just a brief intermission in your “as a left wing black man” to slip in another right-wing authoritarian talking point. You know whenever there’s a mass shooting or domestic murder we can just look up their criminal history right?
Universal background checks do not work. Allowing firearm owners access to the DB would help people run their own checks during private sales.
Yeah you already made it clear that you were fine with just “most” gun owners just making a token, voluntary check before selling a gun to a stranger.
You can’t enforce a universal background check without a registry. That’s why it’s a stupid law that solves nothing. It’s more emotional bullshit from the anti gun crowd.
Oh look, the idiot who opposes the laws is explaining to me what the laws are again. You also used the word “emotional”, meaning my “pro-gun talking point” bingo card is solid black in every square. Are you just reading them off a list? It would explain why you’re delivering them so awkwardly.
Lol none of that is even remotely true.
Well if the guy trying to justify all his guns says it’s not true, that’s a good enough source for me, as long as he pinkie promises.
Stealing someone’s car then using it during a robbery doesn’t make the original owner responsible for the crime.
You should use that line if your child ever gets their hands on your poorly secured firearm and kills someone. Tell them that you’re not responsible, the child is. You’re completely blameless because you live in a world where “gross negligence” isn’t a thing.
Lol cry more kid.
Same line you use on victims of school shootings.
Lol hit a nerve did I?
Nope, I can swear without losing control of my emotions. It’s alarming that a gun owner seems to think that’s impossible. Do you really have so little self control?
Keep up with your white privilege bullshit.
I know you’re desperately trying to shame anyone progressive out supporting gun control but honestly its getting embarrassing to watch. You sound like you’re seconds away from claiming “Gun control is the woke agenda they teach liberals in CRT class to make them trans”.
You haven’t linked a single thing I’ve said to white privilege, you’ve just bleated the phrase over and over again.
It’s a statical anomaly, but it’s pushed to your TV and news constantly so it must happen to everyone daily.
I’m sure all the families torn apart by gun violence can take comfort from knowing their loved ones were just a “statistical anomaly”.
At least, they will if they don’t have any understanding of statistics and think that a clearly measurable phenomenon is an anomaly.
Oh yeah? Well I’m 15 minorities so until you prove otherwise, everything I say is extra extra valid /s.
Also, you just made yourself sound more far-right yet again. You’re just throwing around “white privilege” like a Fox News viewer with seemingly no understanding of what it means.
Hahaha yea I forgot how much faux news tosses out white privilege on their channel lol. What an idiot.
You may or may not be a minority, but you’re correct that you’re a dipshit.
Says the guy who can’t seem to understand his little ivory tower isn’t the real world and he’s afraid of stepping outside because he’s fed into the media of “guns will just murder you for no reason”.
Good job you clown. Your own source says 31 people in 17 cases. Your “a lot more than 12” is literally 5 more. It’s not even twice as many.
Yea all massive rings. People get popped for this shit a lot. It’s a huge issue.
You could have hidden behind your “they don’t enforce enough” comment but nope, you wanted to push “straw purchases aren’t a problem” no matter how humiliating.
Where did I say straw purchases weren’t a problem?
Isn’t it just fascinating how every time I reply to a pro-gun comment on Lemmy, they just happen to be black?
O no, does it hurt your feelings that left leaning people who are minorities have guns? Does that scare you? Are you afraid of them? Is that why you want to remove their force equalizers with laws that directly effect minorities and toss them in jail?
But don’t worry, the “laws on the books today” are the work of the pro-gun groups you simp for. Have you already forgotten which of us is defending the current laws and which of us thinks they’re dogshit and need replacing?
Where am I defending our current laws? Please show me. The laws we have need to be enforced, but needing more bullshit laws so you can feel safer which won’t happen is a joke.
Just a brief intermission in your “as a left wing black man” to slip in another right-wing authoritarian talking point. You know whenever there’s a mass shooting or domestic murder we can just look up their criminal history right?
Never said I was black champ. And yes, go ahead go look up how most of our shootings are from the inner city with black on black crime…and you seem to just want to toss more laws at that group instead of finding out the root cause of it all and fixing it. You sound like Bloomberg stop and frisk.
PS, two of the most intelligent pro2a people in the gun groups are black. Colion Noir and Killer Mike. Since you seem to think only white rednecks own guns who are right wing authoritarians…unlike you who sounds like a left wing authoritarian…you should give them a listen. You might actually learn something.
Yeah you already made it clear that you were fine with just “most” gun owners just making a token, voluntary check before selling a gun to a stranger.
Lol the fuck do you think a UBC is going to do? Lol you think people won’t stop selling privately? Do you really think you can create a registry now.
Oh look, the idiot who opposes the laws is explaining to me what the laws are again. You also used the word “emotional”, meaning my “pro-gun talking point” bingo card is solid black in every square. Are you just reading them off a list? It would explain why you’re delivering them so awkwardly.
Please explain to the class how a UBC is enforced without a registry…the class is waiting.
Well if the guy trying to justify all his guns says it’s not true, that’s a good enough source for me, as long as he pinkie promises.
Says the guy who’s source is made up shit because it scares him
You should use that line if your child ever gets their hands on your poorly secured firearm and kills someone. Tell them that you’re not responsible, the child is. You’re completely blameless because you live in a world where “gross negligence” isn’t a thing.
Lol child, my firearms are in a safe lol fucking tool.
Same line you use on victims of school shootings.
O noooo the emotional child steps into the light to call me a child killer. Put it back into the deck.
Nope, I can swear without losing control of my emotions. It’s alarming that a gun owner seems to think that’s impossible. Do you really have so little self control?
Lol sure you can
I know you’re desperately trying to shame anyone progressive out supporting gun control but honestly its getting embarrassing to watch. You sound like you’re seconds away from claiming “Gun control is the woke agenda they teach liberals in CRT class to make them trans”.
You’re about as progressive as a rock. You’re idea is to lock up people and give more power to the police state to oppress minorities.
You haven’t linked a single thing I’ve said to white privilege, you’ve just bleated the phrase over and over again.
I don’t need to, your talking points are white privilege. You only see what your tiny world view allows you to see. You’re completely ok with arming more police and giving them more power, which will effect minorities even more than they do today.
I’m sure all the families torn apart by gun violence can take comfort from knowing their loved ones were just a “statistical anomaly”.
Car crashes, ODs, drownings, accidents of all kinds…all create heartache and sadness, but that’s life. Shit happens to good people.
At least, they will if they don’t have any understanding of statistics and think that a clearly measurable phenomenon is an anomaly.
Considering you keep bringing up mass shootings which are not usually mass shootings the way people think they are and you’re proposing a law/laws that will not change shit, based off emotions vs actual reality…yes it’s an anomaly, get over it.
Oh wow you kept going with it. “Lol”. Do you also laugh when you’re nervous or in trouble? Amazing.
Do you start every statement with “lol” or “rofl” because you’re actually scoffing in your head? That is hilariously trite.
I do when I’m arguing with idiots. The amount of shit that falls out of you basement dwellers heads because you’re so fucking disconnected from reality is hilarious to me.
Guns might be the problem.
No, it’s just a sound it makes
No, criminals are the problem…
Criminals have easy access to a point-and-click ranged killing machine. If they didn’t have that, crime would be much harder. Violent crime & homicides would go down.
Guns are the problem.
