note: tech sociopath apologists in this thread will be removed and banned for everyone’s best interests
but why is mr wonka so easily offended? all I did was feed myself into the machine that makes chocolate chips but he called me a stupid motherfucker while his staff sang a jaunty tune
he’s probably just triggered. RENT FREE
Y’all are wild. Doesn’t it get boring congratulating each other for having the same opinions? You could just talk to yourself, you know.
I’m not interested in continuing this conversation. Any reply to this messags is unwanted harrasment.
no, unwanted harassment is me telling you to go fuck yourself
also, who in the fuck were you talking to? do you often wander into subs and demand nobody replies to your shitty posts?
We have even better solutions for them!
Can I ask a sincere question? whats a tech sociopath apologist, could you demonstrate an example?
Again, im sincerely genuinely asking
Someone who takes it on themselves to act as apologist for the words/actions of tech sociopaths
Often seen as “weird nerds coming to defense of $x” (such as musk, or in this case the kagi dudebro)
(And then I glanced at your post history and noticed a trend of JAQing off so I now doubt whether you’re sincere in asking)
Im not sure what JAQing is.
I appreciate your response thanks
JAQing
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions first hit (on google ;) ) which has a good explanation.
I call that doing a “Tucker Carlson.”
He does jaq off pretty constantly.
I had a weird brainfart a while back when I realized that Carlson reminds me of this guy.
The bad faith ‘bugs that think are offensive’ debate guy from starship troopers. He even wears a bow tie!
Short for Just Asking Questions. Where people ask loaded questions that act as a veneer to their actual statements. If you want to accuse them of the fact they are talking shit, they’ll say they’re “just skeptical” and “asking questions”
that wasnt my intention. It was simply a phrase I hadn’t heard
that wasn’t my intention
Ironically, by saying that you’re just doing The Thing again
Just asking questions here, but do you think a wolverine would beat a mechabadger?
yes, I’ve seen it
yyyyeaahhhhh
You sound like a immature, troubled soul. Were you by any chance a reddit mod before?
I was about to jump off DuckDuckGo as its also going down, was going to go for kagi, in very much reconsidering that now… But then what?
Running your own personal search engine might be a bit much to chew off for most people, but is there a good open source federated search engine out there that I can contribute a server to, perhaps?
clearly, finding things is not a good idea
a good open source federated search engine out there that I can contribute a server to
I’d love to contribute to something like this. it might even make for a good replacement for lemmy’s awful built-in search
A federated search engine sounds terrible tbh, how would that even work?
Why terrible?
you’re right
the other poster was most likely trying to stir up shit given we’re on a federated network (see also their other post), but I have been obsessed with the idea of a federated search engine this weekend
it’s definitely a worthwhile idea, but anything that does federated indexing will have to deal with moderation and abuse prevention first. those are hard problems in ordinary federated networks, but search engines specifically are targets of hostile SEO and spam in ways that few other systems are. those aren’t insurmountable problems though — just ones that need to be solved before federation is practical.
I dunno. Google is currently overwhelmed by SEO optimized crap (at least I guess so, I stopped using it years ago because of that) and I think a federated system where members have different prioritizations would make SEO optimization very very hard to abuse.
I hope so! this is something I’d like to implement, once I’ve got some free deployment resources and time.
Check out searxng
looks interesting. got any experience with it / any references you can share? don’t think I’ve run across it before
also suddenly remembering magellan, dogpile, etc
fuck that was a long time ago
retvrn to archie
never used it, mind, but author has written a lot about its development.
I’ve never had anothee CEO mansplain his company to me
🤣
Slayed me.
I haven’t paid Kagi much attention up to this point, so I’m coming in cold to this. But gawd Vlad (makes himself) sound like a huge dork.
I love it. It screams xkcd-386 energy and he keeps digging
Maybe I’m the crazy one but I read the full email thread and his responses didn’t seem deranged or unhinged as the author claims. Weird a tech CEO gets into it like over email with a blogger but I just see a guy defending his product. (I haven’t seen the stuff he’s posted on discord though, as another commenter mentioned)
yeah that’s great thanks
I’ll take my ban for saying that Lori seems like they have a bit of stick up their ass and that the CEO of Kagi seems to react how most people who are offended act.
Not very professional for a CEO to directly react that way to someone, for sure.
Actually, that email exchange isn’t as combative as I expected.
I’m not going to de-anonymize my search history, so Kagi isn’t a thing for me, but he doesn’t seem as unhinged as some of these other techbros.
That’s a really fucking low bar. Remember to bring plenty of rope, emergency o2, and extra lights, should you go seeking it.
I am coming from cold on this, I knew kagi existed, It was on my bucket list to do research before even considering any trial, well kagi is not for me since I will never make an account to search web.
That being said, I read through both the blog and the email chain, and I was still so confused on whose side to take i read through OP’s other articles and comments and oh my god. Only thing i concluded is Vlad may have crossed boundaries in terms of emailing someone against their wishes, but the email chain wasn’t enough for me conclude he is narcisst, OP however is definitely pot calling the kettle black.
(I’m aware this is just a copy paste of another comment i made on parent level, but that was me fat fingering where to reply, I meant initially to reply to this comment, but ended up replying to OP, anyway I’m gonna keep both)
Actually, that email exchange isn’t as combative as I expected.
i suppose the CEO completely barreling forward past multiple attempts to refuse conversation while NOT screaming slurs at the person they’re attempting to lecture, is, in some sense, strictly better than the alternative
The bar hasn’t been so high in a while, christ that’s sad.
I swear I knew these fuckers were dodgy when I saw how UX designed their website was. A better search engine would sell itself even if it looked like craigslist.
I don’t use Kagi. Frankly, I hadn’t heard of them before this, but I’m not sure what classifies this as unhinged narcissism. I don’t know if there’s more to see but what I saw was an email trying to address concerns with the product.
No “apologist” stuff here, I’m just not sure why this would be classified as unhinged narcissism. Can someone explain? Genuinely would like to know.
The main reason is that the CEO continues to respond after 2 requests to stop the conversation, it would’ve been more appropriate after the request to just simply make a blog post or something addressing the points made on the blog post itself without naming the author, that way they’re talking to their community about community concerns.
Repeated responses via direct message after being asked to stop 2+ times is harassment. The initial reach out itself was perfectly fine and expected, but respecting when someone doesn’t want to engage in the conversation directly, and reaching out to the community in its entirety about the concerns is what should’ve been done by the CEO here for this to have ended in a better way for everyone.
oh hey, you’re also an apologist for the bigot Brendan Eich so thanks for making it easy to determine that this stupid bullshit is a pattern for you
they did in fact reach at least 20,000 users, and to celebrate they set up a business entity in Germany (they are currently US based), in order to start a tiny little t-shirt printing company. And their goal was to print 20,000 t-shirts to give out, FOR FREE, to their first 20,000 users (with users paying only shipping costs). But I cannot stress enough, they did not just spend money on 20,000 tshirts to give out, they set up a whole new business entity in Germany to run their own t-shirt printing operation, with its own building and warehouse and employee(s? I get the sense it’s one guy but I don’t know). And this cost them 1/3 of their $670k funding round. One, fucking, third. For t-shirts. Did I mention that the t-shirts don’t even have the Kagi name on them? Just the Kagi dog mascot
0% interest rate behavior
I read the whole transcript and I came to conclusion that the author is , to put it gently, bad faith.
Of course if you’re going to give negative opinion on the product made by a single man he is going to want to talk with you. The opposite would be strange, and denying its right to answer is disrespectful and childish.
Doesn’t mean you have to apologize or concede anything, but giving the man a quick and sincere talk about it is just basic level of dignity.
I was delighted to find a sci-fi story hidden between pages full of AI shilling on the website, and then disappointed because it’s not even funny-bad.
That’s egregiously bad.
That he called the blog post ‘an incredible amount of research’ is quite odd. Either it is a failed attempt at sucking up, or a sign Vlad has a very bad idea of what research is.
Perhaps he is passive aggressively saying that he doesn’t believe it?
incredible for him, presumably
‘lol you did more research than I did for my whole company’
It’s incredible because the blogger based their beliefs off of evidence and reality instead of markov chains and hallucinations.
No clue why they’d willingly accept crypto - they aren’t doing anything that’d have credit card companies running for the hills.
Eh, nothing wrong with accepting payments in crypto. Sometimes the gas fees are a lot less than what a payment provider / credit card provider would charge.
wow, you’re fucking lost aren’t you
let me show you the way out
This post has been a real honeypot, hasn’t it?
(Can we try mixing the honey with a little borax so they bring it back to the nest, like you can do for ants?)
I was thinking the same thing earlier… it’s also been a hell of a way to find people who have problems with consent…
we’re not actually enjoying what a shooting gallery this post has become
could never imagine that you would. grateful that you do what you do!
2018 called, it wants its shitty coiner propaganda talking points back
(actually not sure if by 2018 coiners had moved on from dunking on credit card fees)
Copy-pasting the alt-text from one of the screenshots because I can’t be assed to type it out myself:
Discord convo from 07/15/22, Vlad: people who really need anonymity are very rare. Probably less than a 100 in the entire world. Definitely not typical Kagi users. Unless they are criminals, in which case we don’t care they don’t have full anonymity (nor we want them as customers)
yikes, double yikes and triple yikes.
I guess he doesn’t care to help women find a safe way to have an abortion in 14 out of 50 US states (source), for starters. Nor to help the doubtlessly more-than-100 queer folk in places that outlaw homosexuality.
Or maybe he’s such a genius that he knows how to keep them safe without actually keeping them anonymous - and in that case, he should start selling such a technique as its own product /s
I want vlad to list his criteria for who makes that list of 100 people, cause something tells me it’s all oligarchs and other powerful and monied people, and absolutely nobody whose life or livelihood is directly threatened by an information leak
Not even Google ever printed 20k tshirts to give away for free.
Thats demonstrably false. I used to work for a merch company on the Google account and 20k custom printed Google t-shirts to give away at some event is a once every one or two months kind of order.
Ok but did they spin up their own shirt printing company in another country using one third of their investment money to print them or did they just pay a shirt printing service that already existed at a bulk discount rate?
Exactly. Even Google, who have piles and piles of cash just sitting around and could easily afford it, don’t move into the printing business to save a few bucks. They just contract some company who offer that kind of thing as a service to arrange it for them. The company I worked for don’t even print the t-shirts, they just arrange the printing via a range of companies who do offer such a service. Everyone in between takes a little cut and Google still get their t-shirts at like £5 each.
Google love a t-shirt. Sold more t-shirts to Google than any other client by a mile and a half.
