still enjoying it lol
You know your not being snarky big dev defender saying this right? You are aware the actual devs, the creators of the game have asked people to review bomb it. This is the major order right now. It’s to give the devs leverage to get Sony to back the fuck off.
Do you have a source on the devs endorsing review bombing for leverage? I only see posts about the CEO apologizing for the policy.
Spitz is also the pos who told people to just refund and leave. Now they wre doing damage control acting like they are on the players side. The devs are not the good guys here just smart enough to act like they are
Did you read the comment? He told them to refund it if they are unhappy because the review scores and revenue are all sony sees or cares about
I really couldn’t care. It’s as easy as using making an account. People really have nothing else better to do with their lives. In fact, most people do, that’s why steam charts haven’t reflected any change.
You realize about 1/3 of all players physically cannot make a PSN account, right? This isn’t just ‘gamers having nothing better to do with their lives’, it’s an actual legal and economic issue.
VPNs are free and easy to make, and where did you get 1/3 of all players?
This is far too common with games now, all over Steam as well. RDR2 is a great example, the Rockstar launcher and social club is total dogshit!
Fuck RDR2 has a launcher? Maybe I’ll just pirate it
The Social Club has been a thing since GTA 4. So, for 15 years?
And it has been shit since then
Deserved
I am curious how this is going to effect the number of active players. I know a lot of people who were trying to get me to play this saying it was here to stay and not a trend like a Lethal Company but I feel like this hurdle might be enough to get them to give up.
I definitely have a low level of for Russian nesting dolls of accounts and launchers.
I didn’t get the game because it’s packed full of all the terrible corporate stuff you see in terrible corporate games. Always Online, Rootkit anticheat, in-game store to purchase items when the game is already expensive. I doubt adding “must give your information to Sony” is going to be the tipping point for anyone who is fine with everything else.
As I said in another comment I think it’s more about people having to create another account.
I also don’t know how or if PSN integration is going to impact matchmaking.
Why does a fully cooperative game needs an anti-cheat software in the first place. I don’t give a fuck about cheaters as long as its not competitive. Deep rock galactic for example works great without all of this bullshit.
To prevent people from spawning in unreleased content that is in the game, giving their group the maximum cap of in-game currency, and so on. Tamps down on the boosting market.
Playing not online is miserable
Waaaaaaa anti cheat
The in game store requires zero to actual money and is probably the most fair one to date.
Game is expensive (it’s the standard price?)
Jesus cry more about something you haven’t even done.
I’d be surprised if it really has much of an impact on number of players tbh.
Most people don’t care, Lemmy/Reddit are a vocal minority.
Vocal minority is the assumption when this sort of collective outrage manifests. This time though, thanks to Steam player count we will actually get some hard numbers and see if that has an effect or not.
At current, there are 32k negative reviews. That’s 32,000 people angry enough to go add or modify a review to be negative. The active player base is 100k. As far as “vocal minority” goes…
Yeah but how many are bark and no bite? Eg, they’ll write the review, but keep playing anyway. That will take some time to find out.
I don’t think it will affect the current playerbase too much. But I think the negative rating on steam will have an effect on sales.
I think said “most people” will care once the game forces them to register for a PSN account.
The game racked up over 10k negative reviews in 90 minutes yesterday. People are pissed. There’s also the issue of PSN only being available in a about a third of all countries.
I just uninstalled the game over this and I have 350+ hours.
They fumbled a (bigger) bag with this whole dungeon master Joel meme. This will be the last straw for many.
The player base is tearing itself apart with conservatives getting genuinely furious about the Creek incident and team-killing participants on sight while everyone else just wants to have fun playing the game.
With things like these you need to lean HARD away from the idiot fascists in all media out of game. They did not, and are reaping the consequences.
Out of curiosity, what was the Creek incident? The initial fight for Malevelon?
I don’t know either, but since “conservatives” are pissed, I bet it’s reeeeaaaaalllll fucking stupid. Bunch of whiney ass titty babies cry over everything.
There was a major order that barely failed because people were playing on Creek instead of defending supply lines.
What in the world happened? I played a lot in the first few weeks and remember the Creek situation as just being some people who played that planet constantly. How tf did real world politics come into that situation specifically?
There was a major order that barely failed because people were playing on Creek instead of defending supply lines.
Yeah I know about that, like I indicated in my comment up there. How in the world do conservatives factor into that situation? That’s what the commentor above said and I’m curious.
What was the Creek incident? Google hasn’t really helped
There was a major order that barely failed because people were playing on Creek instead of defending supply lines.
The supply lines were Creeking when people tried to play? Oh no. Why is that bad?
Yeah even if some people keep playing. Someone like myself who was entertaining of getting it would be turned off by seeing negative reviews (why go through the drama if I’m on the fence?).
Well, a number of countries will be forced out, simply because PSN is not available there. Especially the philipinos seem so be quite upset.
PSN is available in 69 countries around the world. (Source: https://www.playstation.com/country-selector/index.html)
right now there are (roughly) 190 independent countries in the world.
The whole of Africa (except for SA; thanks to u/ItzOnza), Egypt and even european countries like Belarus don’t have PSN.
The Baltics - states that are part of the european union - are also excluded.
These people can’t create accounts.
Ive been waiting to get helldivers until I had a bit of spare cash.
Now I’m not gonna get it.
Just like I don’t want 50 different streaming services, I dont want 15 different launchers open just to play a game.
There’s no launcher as far as I know, just a linked account.
This is not a hurdle, its a nuisance at best. It’s stupid though.
This is on PC and unlike some other ported PS games I don’t think there is an option to play offline I imagine a lot of people are going to be creating PSN accounts I’d say that’s a hurdle for some people.
I know at least two people who live in countries w/o PSN support and can’t play now. This is a hurdle.
Crossplay is mandatory, and linking an account for crossplay was always mandatory, they had issues at launch, paused the requirement, and are now reestablishing it.
Thats kinda on them, or for Steam for selling it in their location, but they probably bypassed that to get the game.
I’m curious how you are so bold to say something as patently false as your first sentence with such confidence knowing that anyone with the game can deactivate it in settings and it works without a PSN account anyway.
From launch until now, creating a PSN account was optional due to technical issues. And while this wasn’t properly conveyed to the playerbase, the game was sold in tons of regions where you straight up can’t make a PSN account. Something like 50+ out of 123 regions where the game was sold cannot make PSN accounts. And using a VPN or lying about your region to make an account is a bannable offense.
The privacy complaints I have more of an issue with since GameGuard, the DRM used, is just as much, if not more, of a privacy issue compared to Sony’s horrible data security and invasive data harvesting. GameGuard has kernel level access to the entirety of your system while it’s running, usually installs itself as an on boot up background process, and has been caught by anti-virus software editing files outside of the game directory.
The first is a genuinely refund worthy issue, if not a class-action lawsuit in the making, while the second one is people being ignorant to how much data they’re actually giving away.
I signed into an old PSN account when I first downloaded the game near launch. It is in game. No launcher. I signed in once and forgot about it until right now. Not really a big deal. If your worried about security make some bogus email up and make an account that way. But other than signing in one time it hasn’t been a deal. 🤷♂️
Yeah, I used my old PS3 account. I didn’t even think twice about it. I’m not sure why people are freaking out about it?
I play with a couple of friends in the Baltics. I have PSN. There is no PSN in the Baltics. So I guess I can’t play with the friends I solely bought this game for.
Just because it doesn’t affect you doesn’t mean it’s silly to complain about this.
Can they not create a Playstation account regardless of PSN service availability?
No because it is not available in their country, and making an account with a region different from your Steam account would have inherent EULA risks.
Hopefully Sony will see this as the biggest problem and do something about it. I don’t think these people should have been able to spend money on this for it to be taken away, but that’s a storefront issue as well. Steam and Sony will have to make some decisions about this, cause it wasn’t thought out and implemented very well. They should’ve had some stronger safeguards.
I didn’t even think twice about it. I’m not sure why people are freaking out about it?
They thought about it twice
Look, I got hit with that stupid 2011 data breach PSN had and I still get scam emails with details from that due to the unique stuff I put in my various accounts. I’m not going to try to resurrect my now defunct account or create a new one so they can do more data mining and lose more of my PII, again.
Immediate uninstall; really grateful my copy was a gift so I lost nothing. I’m not setting up another fuckin account for just one fuckin game and I really fuckin wish publishers would KNOCK THAT BULLSHIT OFF
Breaking peoples games after 4 months will do that
Nothing is broken, people are choosing to not abide by the terms they accepted to when the bought the game.
I did not know we had controversial bots on Lemmy already!
nobody accepted sony’s tos when buying helldivers 4 months ago
The Ol’ hivemind. I type this will dropping in to kill some bug hives.
“anyone who disagrees with me are part of the ‘hive mind’, the only way to not be part of a hive mind is if you agree with all the things I believe. You know, like some sort of hive mind.”
Nah man, it’s just a bunch of individuals that happen to agree that you’re an idiot.
Uhh axktuallay on page treefiddy on the TOS it says you get a downvote
Pointing to the ToS / EULA like we are in a fucking South Park episode, LMAO
I do not think enough people are aware of the limits to who can make the newly required accounts.
So for those who can’t have a PSN account the failure was on them for buying the game anyway, since it was included on the store page, terms, and shows up on launch. Now, I agree they should get a refund if it locks them out the game. For the rest of the caterwauling, what will they do when Steam denies their refund after playing 200hours? Boycott Steam?
You really are a dick
I’ve been called worse by better people. People who don’t read things that they are agreeing to and then complain they don’t like it after the fact should take the lesson and move on.
Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn’t owning, then piracy isn’t stealing.
Hold on let me just slip a note that says “you agree to give up your rights” in to the computers my clients buy, that means I’m covered right?
I’m with you buddy.
“the failure was on them for buying the game anyway”
If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp “accept terms and conditions” and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases.
Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile… The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing.
It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong.
Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not.
In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don’t get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this.
Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it!
Guuuuuuys… stop being mean to corporations! Didn’t you watch the HR video that says we are family? /$
(If only they knew how shitty, exploitative and gaslighting my family is and how correct they are)
“We’re all in this together”
File support tickets directly with Arrowhead
https://arrowhead.zendesk.com/hc/en-us
File a complaint with your local government body, I believe in Australia it is illegal to break a game after the fact. To substantially change how it runs to hold it hostage.
But even in other jurisdictions, even 1, 000 disgruntled gamers filing small claims against arrowhead would consume an outsized amount of resources to respond to.
Make noise, be disgruntled, don’t play the game, file a negative review, create busy work for the perpetrators. They’re stealing time and money from you, it’s fair to do it to them. But legally
terms,
It’s not in either terms linked on the steam store page. There’s no mention of a requirement to use PSN’s networks or to link your steam and PSN account in either EULA. It’s ONLY the banner on the steam page. And nothing in game makes it clear that skipping the login is only a temporary thing.
the virgin EULA worshipper vs the chad consumer rights advocate
virgin EULA worshipper
It’s actually not even in either EULA published on the steam page. This is just a shill.
lol that’s even worse
It’s not in the EULAs pertaining to this game, and Sony changed their PC Games FAQ on May 3rd after the announcement that PSN would be required, meaning the FAQ people read when they bought the game is different from the one Sony is trying to enforce.
Before:
After:
This is the reason I didn’t buy the game, but people bought it and now they’re angry they’re enforcing it?
You’re totally right, except for the people from the countries that don’t get PSN. How is it legal to sell them the game in the first place if they can’t meet the requirements to play? Scummy move.
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
I don’t like it either, but I had to make an account on day 1. It’s also a requirement for any game hosted on Sony’s game servers.
Thanks mate 🫂
The devs themselves have asked users to review bomb their own game on their discord. Your not standing up for them, your standing for Sony and Sony alone.
No I’m sorry with no due respect, get fucked. I’m in a country that doesn’t have access to PSN. I will be permanently locked out of the game I purchased.
I remember when it came out people were saying it’s anti-cheat was basically malware. Denuvo, I think?
Anyway, it’s disappointing because I hear it’s a truly great game. But between this and that, I think I’m soured on the idea of playing.
n-protect actually
An hour after this announcement was made, a tiny update was pushed via GamGuard to steam players and now there’s a .DLL file that’s being flagged antivirus as a malware. My AV detects and cleans the file, making the game completely broken. There a Steam discussion about this issue and, surprise surprise, the file in question is used by GameGuard.
I’m sure it has nothing to do with Sony’s recent announcement of their patent for biometric harassment detection.
They’d ban themselves lol
That’s exactly why I purchased the game on ps5 instead of PC. And now I also don’t have to worry about this issue.
Well that might work, if I had a PS5 laying about.
Good for you? The post isn’t about people like us playing on PlayStation, it’s about people like my buddies I play with that thought they were good to go with their steam accounts and are now being railroaded a few months later by having to give their data to PSN, who is notorious for not managing said data well.
“It’s in the ToCs”, you might say, which is only highlighting a broader issue where you basically have to wade through pages of legal bullshit to just play a game you bought and not get fucked by the EULA.
Well said.
Say what you will about the giant bugs and socialist toasters, but they never sold out their own for a percentage.
A Starship Troopers, BSG, and Aliens reference. Nice!
Some countries like Ukraine are told that they need a console to make an account, you can’t make this shit up lmao
Deserved. It’s just not necessary. Think, why would a multi-billion dollar company want you to sign up for some other service, even if it’s free? Because they want your data, and they want to sell it.
Theoretically their community management tools are based on PSN, which does make some sense. This is the official reason for it. Of course they’re also hoovering up all your data to sell also. That’s the reason that gives them more money, so the real reason.
I mean, it IS their own game. Let’s not be disingenuous, they would be doing the same even if it was Steam data.
If only there was a digital bill of rights that applied to all tech companies that would make the selling of data illegal.
Nah, sounds difficult. let’s just ban ticktok for my lobbyist buddy.
Lol, it’s still got hundreds of thousands playing.
Theres some angry outrage for sure, but it don’t think it’s gonna wind up that bad in the end.
It’s annoying, but it’s like an Origin account for an EA game or something. At least with crossplay, having one admin team to manage bans on both platforms makes sense to streamline things.
I know. I’m going to be playing tonight. I didn’t bat an eye at this announcement… Mainly because it’s been known since day one. People are acting like this is new information. And I don’t care if less people play. Still will have plenty of players. I play with cross play turned off on PS5 to avoid cheaters anyway… so this literally isn’t going to change anything for me.
They already sold many times more than they ever expected.
How do you think bans are working right now? You realize that you don’t HAVE to have an account. All they do is assign a mirrored account to your steam ID on PSN. Or even just assign you a random one in general.
Nothing about this process streamlines anything any further, they’re already doing it.
It’s no accident that many of these games are releasing their anti-features only after millions have purchased them and missed their return window.
EA did the same recently with Kernel anti-cheat in games they haven’t serviced in years, games that actively cannibalise their latest titles!
Less players means less server running costs. Helldivers 2 might turn back or end up with this disastrous policy (for consumers) but until we have regulations on this, many companies will see the benefit of rugpulling software.
Supposedly steam is allowing returns no matter the playtime.
that’s good, surprising though because technically it’s not their policy
I guess they don’t like being sued. And I think they will just take the money for the refunds from Sony’s payout.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game on Steam with “Overwhelmingly Negative” reviews before. Usually “Mixed” is already a good indicator to leave your hands off a game.
That’s because there’s a review count requirement for both the extremely good and the extremely negative level. So you can’t buy your own game, review it, and have it be overwhelmingly positive because the only review is positive. Thing is, bad games tend to not get bought by many people, so overwhelmingly negative is rare. So yes, mixed reviews are already damming.
DOWN WITH SNOY!
