Its not that he thinks that this is normal behaviour, its that so many Americans think that this is normal behaviour.
If you don’t wanna get shot, don’t have a job.
Not an American, but I really don’t get these stories. It has to be legal to enter somebody’s driveway, right? How else are you supposed to ring someone’s doorbell?
It absolutely is and the people who shoot at others for showing up on their property are 100% paranoid assholes watching too much Fox News. Hell, you can even legally camp on private property as long as you’re not within view of the house. I don’t suggest doing that, on account of the crazies.
Many EU countries have freedom to roam laws to allow access accross undeveloped private property, this includes as you said camping as long as you leave the land as found.
In the US i know of no state allowing such, and the ability of the person traversing the land to sue the owner means the default is no treasspassing signs everywhere. this isnt to say if you were unsure if the land was private and there is no sign/indicator of tresspassing you coulding walk through but that isnt strictly giving you the right to access the land
in western States quite a bit of land is federally owned and behaves more like right to roam, this has made odd cases there is a cheker board patern between two federal land areas and private property and what to do when a hunter says steps over the corner of the private properties between the two public access areas.
Wait a minute tell me about this law that says Americans are allowed to camp on private property: like they can do that without permission of the property owner? as long as not within view of the house?
I’m going to guess this is either a local law or a misunderstanding
I think the answer is, if you don’t get caught, it is legal
Need a citation for that last bit
There was a widely-reported battle in Wyoming over “corner crossing” last year. It was resolved in favor of hunters recently.
Yeah I mean check your local laws, this is just a law I learned once and then never bothered to keep on hand since I’m never gonna test it.
The absolute state of the United States. Jesus christ
No shit, when seeing this, I’m glad I don’t have to worry about guns…
Babcock told police what he could see on his Ring camera made him think someone was breaking into his car, so he went outside and started shooting.
Turns out your life is not in danger of someone is breaking into your car and it is not legal to shoot at them. I’m guessing this dipshit considers himself a responsible gun owner.
The ONLY ONLY ONLY way to Prevent this is to make sure TEENAGE DELIVERY DRIVERS shoot at every home they pull up in before getting out!
I read the interview and this dude seems surprisingly chill after a guy tried to kill him.
The “castle doctrine” and everyone who’s misunderstanding it is reminding me a LOT of a “localized purge” - been watching the first 2-3 films lately and season 1 (surprisingly good) and it’s chilling to see the real state of the US these days. Used to be my favourite travel destination in the 90s, then still a great place to go for business trips in the 2000s - but never again will I set foot on that unholy land where every insane person can get a gun and murder you on the spot and will likely get away with it.
Never mind that the 90s was a peak for violent crime mainly due to the war on drugs, and it’s safer now than it was then…
People are convicted of murder by the hundreds if not thousands every day
And this contradicts my point how?
Nobody seems to be misunderstanding it but you. This is the kind of country these people want.
Many of us are trapped by the choices of our Fox-brainwashed elderly population.
The absolutely morally bankrupt and spoiled boomers dominating the voting population with blind allegiance and rising evengelicism over the last 50 years got us here. Basically, the most self centered and selfish generation in modern American history is hell bent on fucking every generation that follows them.
A lot of us have chosen and chosen and chosen otherwise in futility. Even when we’ve had the opportunity for progress it was tempered by trying to appease the other party; in the name of bipartisanship we get a neutered health care plan that still has grift built directly into the system.
I suppose I forgot the quotes around “misunderstanding” - maybe should have rephrased to “deliberately misinterpreting”. Either way, I agree & it is a sad and depressing world in which people get murdered daily because some asshole with a gun wanted blood…
Today, two strangers knocked on my door. They were there to spread some bullshit or another, didn’t really care. Told them to go away, which they did.
I really hope that this situation is the norm, and that the news headline is the outlier. But at this point I’m not sure.
It is. Situations like yours don’t make the news.
Coming up to a strange house NEEDS to be a cautious dance involving photos of Picture ID sent to someone and a very brief statement of your business. In a place with so many guns and shysters, we don’t have time to open the door for people selling vacuums or invisible friends. And by the time you strike out at one house and try another, everyone on the block chat group needs to know what you’re selling.
My friend tells me that her in-laws in rural Missouri are cutting holes into the walls to hide guns so they are prepared for attacks from antifa.
Holy shit you guys need some serious help.
We’ve turned into a nation of cowards. Just completely craven people who shoot first and ask questions later because the news has made them terrified that they’ll be murdered in their beds, despite violent crime being historically low, comparatively speaking.
You’re right that the vast majority are cowards, but you also have psychos who jerk off to a fantasy of shooting someone. There are all kinds of crazies out there just looking for a reason, and they’re getting crazier in their psycho echo chambers.
I’ve talked about in in several other posts regarding gun control.
The rampant media sowing fear is poison. It’s the culture that’s being fostered that’s more dangerous than the guns. “Fuck around and find out” and “come try and take them” keeps reinforcing that guns are a totally normal thing to use to solve problems.
Everything is a threat. Thank you Faux News and the rest.
Different color skin - threat
Gay - threat
Trans - threat
Environmental rules - threat
Immigration - thread
Vegetarian - threat
Equality - threat
Atheism - threat
Non-western religion - threat
Woke - threat
Electric cars - threat
The list is endless. Everything is a threat to them. Their pocketbooks, their marriage, their jobs, their theism, their TV, their guns…
An endless barrage of threats that they are constantly reminded of.
What can they do against all these threats? Elect a Strong Man that will crack skulls, He Has All The Answers. But those pesky libs keep getting in the way, so you gotta take matters into your own hands. Thank god and the good ol’ USA you can have a personal arsenal at arm’s reach to instantly panic-fire at that dark-skinned person pulling into your driveway who wants to steal your TV.
Having mingled with the gun community for some time, there are a lot of level-headed people among gun owners but there are also a worrying amount of terminally fearful people with violent ideation. Many are likely one bad life event, one half-cocked response to an uncertain situation from being a mugshot on a news story like this prick.
there are a lot of level-headed people among gun owners but there are also a worrying amount of terminally fearful people with violent ideation.
The problem is that both groups have the same ease of access to weapons.
Until there are a lot more reliable ways to tell the 2 groups apart, weapons need to be a lot more difficult to get your hands on.
Having mingled with the gun community for some time, there are a lot of level-headed people among gun owners
This is why US has so much gun violence. Like rabid dog owners assuring you theyre safe. You just havent seen them when theyre not level headed, we’re all emotional apes.
Yep. Even the “responsible” gun owners I know radiate the “I want you to know I’m dangerous” energy when they tell you how prepared they are, “just in case something happens that requires a gun”
There are other quieter owners you never really hear about though. My brother never really talks about it, doesn’t chime in to water cooler “what are you shooting” kinds of talks, and basically just keeps them in the gun safe except for his ~2x a year gun range trips to make sure he stays competent.
He treats them like his garage full of dangerous power tools. Not a toy, but good to have in your back pocket should there be a need for that particular tool some day.
I know most gun owners go their entire lives never shooting someone.
But i dont trust anyones judgment on who will or wont. Its not just the loud and proud gun enthusiasts that end up on the homicide news.
I know most gun owners go their entire lives never shooting someone.
But i dont trust anyones judgment on who will or wont.
Even the cops who aren’t bastards could make the wrong assessment here, too.
It’s safer to go unarmed so when the pros show up you don’t become a concern for them for an instant.
Cops who… aren’t bastards?
I don’t follow.
He treats them like his garage full of dangerous power tools. Not a toy, but good to have in your back pocket should there be a need for that particular tool some day.
A significantly unfortunate number of gun owners treat them like fashion accessories. To be displayed, accessorized, collected, and carelessly treated.
Every gun owner is a responsible gun owner until they aren’t.
For the same reason, it makes spur of the moment suicide attempts more likely, and more deadly.
The problem is that it’s easier to buy a gun than it is to go to a doctor.
Cheaper too.
And if you don’t have insurance, likely cheaper too.
Are you kidding? Even with insurance a gun is cheaper.
And significantly easier to not accidentally kill someone as a gun owner. I get your gist but that’s a terrible comparison.
Violent crime being historically low except for idiots who shoot at people for turning around in their driveway, ringing the wrong doorbell, etc…
Yeah. I have friends that won’t even let their kids walk a quarter mile to school, in one of the safest communities in the entire state. It’s insane. The media has put the fear of “but what if…” into so many people.
You’ve got better odds winning the lottery than what these people are afraid of. Be smart, be savvy, be aware of your surroundings and watch out for the oblivions as you go about your business. But there’s no need to be afraid of everything around you.
You’ve got better odds winning the lottery than what these people are afraid of. Be smart, be savvy, be aware of your surroundings and watch out for the oblivions as you go about your business. But there’s no need to be afraid of everything around you.
Awareness prevents the vast majority of dangerous situations. Carrying is actually more likely to escalate situations into being dangerous than not. even a basic situational awareness will keep you far safer than a fire arm ever will.
I agree that people shouldn’t be afraid of this stuff, but I think you underestimate the odds of winning the lottery and your chances of being murdered.
Around 32,000 homicides/year in the US. 333,000,000 people, so about 1 in 100,000.
Powerball odds are 1 in 292,000,000.
the distribution is different though, if you buy a powerball ticket you have the same odds as everyone else who bought one assuming the numbers are equally distributed and truly random
the difference between living in Biden’s suburban neighborhood in Delaware vs west Philly or Baltimore is huge
In that situation I’m concerned about other drivers, and also the child not paying attention while staring at their phone. I have seen sooo many teens just step off the curb and walk across the street without even looking up from their phone. Stranger Danger would have nothing to do with it.
There needs to be a better balance between the latch key kid independence/responsibility and the absolute lack of trust in your kids and your community to just not be child kidnapping murderers???
The whole way our society is built is not around pedestrian safety or teaching it to children.
My daughter is growing up in a subdivision with low traffic and no sidewalks and I have to regularly remind her to look both ways when crossing the streets when we’re elsewhere because it’s just not something she has to do all the time.
There’s room for sidewalks, they just didn’t build them. If there were sidewalks, it would be far easier for her to remember to do it every time.
Fixing transport infrastructure would have the most impact. Narrower roads with fewer lanes and more complexity, 20mph/30kmph speed limits, better designed pedestrian crossings, and separated bike and pedestrian infrastructure. And requiring the vehicles themselves to be designed such that they are not just safe for the occupants, but safe for other vehicles and people too (which means lower hood heights and lower weight).
And in general, providing viable alternatives to driving so there are less vehicles on the road, making it safer to walk and bike.
but safe for other vehicles and people too (which means lower hood heights and lower weight).
Small note on this, but better crash compatibility and an upper weight limit might also increase the relative safety of bicycles, motorcycles, and even potentially some larger local wildlife, on top of just increasing safety for pedestrians and people driving relatively smaller cars, like sedans.
The NRA fear paranoia narrative has permeated our society. Add to that those who feel inferior so they carry a gun to feel powerful. Now add the hate farming by Russian trolls and right wing media, (the two are the same, with different names)
How often I witness roadrage/aggressive drivers makes the mass gunownership in this country kind of terrifying. I’ve seen a truck try to push another car off the road for getting off a left hand exit. I can only assume the truck driver was mad at the car for “being in the way.” The power tripping and entitlement to being aggressive towards others combined with your list of problematic cultural phenomenon and guns is horrifying.
I saw an ad for a news app that literally said “fear watch”
So you can always be on top of what to be afraid of next!
The “I feared for my life” rhetoric is just an excuse to shoot people, borrowed from police when they wanted to shoot people. You don’t have to politely believe them just because they said it.
Yeah this was just a car in the driveway right ? No one is fearing for their life over that.
But it’s a great chance to exercise your right to be left alone by shysters.
Psychotic behavior. I agree with the victim: this lunatic should be charge with attempted murder.
ETA: and be forbidden from ever owning firearms.
Ag assault is a felony in TN, either way, barring acquittal or pleading down to a misdemeanor, no more guns for him.
As we saw with the old man who shot a Black teenager for ringing his doorbell, acquittal is not assured. The old man got a mistrial, not acquittal, but the point is that he hasn’t yet been held accountable. That makes me a sad panda.
what a goddamn shithole
Fucking mouth-breathing vermin…
