Seen a lot of posts on Lemmy with vegan-adjacent sentiments but the comments are typically very critical of vegan ideas, even when they don’t come from vegans themselves. Why is this topic in particular so polarising on the internet? Especially since unlike politics for example, it seems like people don’t really get upset by it IRL
I have no issues with veganism but I do have issues with being attacked because I’m not vegan. I’ve been attacked for using cow milk even after explaining that I can’t use plant milk because of sensory issues.
Funnily enough, just like you said, I know vegans IRL who would never behave that way and of course I accommodate their dietary choices when I’m in charge of food.
I think it’s mostly an Internet thing when you just see the loudest minority instead of the more quiet majority.
It’s the preachy judgmentalism that has led to the hatred of vegans. Of course I’m not trying to say all vegans are like that, it’s obviously a vocal minority. Most just eat their damn food and live their life.
But I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve been attacked on places like this and Reddit when I commented about meat.
Well it’s like the old joke says,
Q: how do you know someone’s a vegan?
A: OH, THEY’LL TELL YOU.
Seriously tho I don’t have a problem with them unless they start saying there’s no difference betwern killing an animal and torturing it.
There is a push from the meat industry to make hating veganism the cool thing is what I feel is going on. Some militant vegans are honestly annoying.
My list…
Sometimes they’ll offer their opinions as “proof” that they’re “right”
It’s expensive, so often vegans are people with resources others don’t have and yet they act like this isn’t a thing
They’re right that it’s way better for the environment and it annoys me that I’m contradicting my own values on that point
There’s an abuse of science at times, which always bothers me, even in the name of a good cause. If you’re right, let the truth do the talking.
Just off the top of my head…
Not all vegans, etc… no actual hate involved for anyone
You tend to get two groups who dislike it. Ignorant folks who think something like no animal stuff means no protein means you shrivel up and die, and the ones who’ve encountered a few too many militants in their time and ain’t interested or are downright sick of their schtick. Vaguely similar to atheism, except replace the animal product stuff with something religion related, ofc.
Except you don’t see atheists throwing a tantrum. So not like atheism at all.
That’s ALL they do. I say this as an atheist that avoids atheism on the internet like it’s a disease.
if you think internet atheists can’t be just as obnoxious as internet vegans you clearly haven’t been around enough of them.
Speaking as an atheist, can confirm.
The common denominator is the internet part though. The last obnoxious atheist I saw was 14, and I have yet to see an obnoxious vegan IRL
Give me one example.
Don’t remember when /r/atheism was a default on the other site?
That’s your example? A sub being the default on Reddit? That’s equal to protests in the streets by vegans to you?
As an example of internet atheists being as obnoxious as internet vegans, yes that’s my example.
Edit: with regards to the content it was posting back when it was a default, not the fact that it was a default
Their example is 99% of the popular content for that board during that era.
Did you never go there?
The sub being a default wasn’t. The content on that sub was though
Atheists highlighting religious atrocities is very annoying, yes. Imagine just doing you thing, raping kids and murdering people for not believing in your religion and someone posting on Reddit about it. So annoying!
To be pendantic, the vocal atheists are more specifically antitheists as in they are opposed to theism, not just someone who doesn’t believe.
Get real. Every single group that lives outside the heteronormative, christian nationalist banner has fit-throwers. Saying that there aren’t those atheists but certainly are those vegans is as dumb as any other half-baked argument out there.
You make it sounds like the heteronormative, christian nationalist s don’t throw fits all the time.
Why has heteronormative become an insult?
How do I make it sound like that? All they do is cry and moan! They are the absolute worst of the fit-throwers. But way to dig deep into my comment for a complete nothing burger.
Can you name any atheist protests?
Every action by the Satanic Temple?
Though they are kind of amusing trolls about it.
It’s a form of targeted religious fairness testing for sure, but I wouldn’t call TST a protest org. Nobody really stands outside and holds a banner as much as just filing lawsuits.
What is the difference between “religious fairness testing” and protesting? Is a protest not just an active resistance to the current legal status quo? How is a lawsuit not a protest?
I guess it depends on your active definition. Sure those are protest actions I guess, but contextually speaking I would understand “a protest” to be a gathering of people with signs or a message at a place of business, courthouse, or similar.
At the intersection of religion and protest I’m in visioning WBC not TST.
I wouldn’t call them highlighting the hypocrisy of Christians the same as protesting out in the streets. The satanic temple is reactionary.
Opposition to religious monuments on public grounds. They are low key and the only violence, vandalism, or public disturbances come from religious folks.
So not really the same then.
Can you name a “vegan” protest?
You know if you do the same for “atheists protest” tons of shit pops up too. Even ones without Megan Kelly. You position is so flimsy and yet you still are digging in. You are a reply away from “do your own research”. Embattled ideology always comes with protest. The absolute unmitigated smugness that one group of people are more annoying than another based on their ideology is problematic at best and at worst, you are a pube away from wearing a red hat and diapers.
You make me reconsider if I am on the right side of this, you are such an asshole that you drive people away from thinking of using trump as an insult
The internet makes it easier for both sides to voice opinions semi-annonymously that they wouldn’t IRL. The reality is that while most vegans are decent and generally leave people alone, there are vegans out there that can’t hide the contempt they have for omnivores that results from believing meat is murder. Case in point: the lemmy.ml vegan community is very hostile to omnivores.
If a very vocal part of a movement equates you and about 99% of the population to being a murderer because of what you eat, its going to be harder to take that movement seriously and not have contempt for it in kind.
It’s the fandom mostly. I like using Linux but I don’t think you are immoral for using windows. Rick and Morty is funny but I don’t think Rick is someone to take any advice from. CrossFit seems to work for most people who stick with it but it is one of many options. I won’t apologize for being an atheist but I don’t think you are stupid for not being one.
The problem with Veganism is the problem with monotheism. There is one proper way to live and all the others are wrong and awful.
That and the lying. I won’t deny that there are farmers who abuse their animals, that is a problem that can be dealt with through the legal system, but you can’t sell me a sack of lies claiming that I abused the cows I milked growing up. Because I know I didn’t.
The meat and dairy industries have been pumping out propaganda for years, mostly aimed at right-wing dudes. It’s just kind of part of right-wing culture at this point to kneejerk react to veganism with tired old tropes and stereotypes.
It was worse back in the 90s and early 2000s.
I love vegans. A few of my friends are vegan. There are two things some vegans will say which boil my piss, however. First is that they have a moral high ground because they don’t eat animals. This isn’t a given, it’s a complex and nuanced argument I’d happily partake in if the other party weren’t approaching it with a top-down belief that they’re already in the right. Second is the notion that we should all be vegan to save the planet from climate apocalypse. I don’t want this comment to get too long, but I have multiple problems with this faulty line of reasoning, and it muddies the waters. The only likely effect of it is that less progress is made on stopping global heating. So the upshot is that these people are literally sacrificing the ecosystem they purport to care about in order to bang their drum. Fuck that.
Its because they ran into the loudest, most annoying vegans.
IDK how, maybe different areas have more militant vegans, or maybe they just roll with negative stereotypes and the algorithm bs that lets the worst folks float to the top of their media feeds.
I’ve actively sought out vegans because they have great advice on dietary restriction resources and as long as you’re respectful of their choices, they’ve been consistently so willing to share.
And they also really love a good breakfast, in my experience, like the local vegan group has just pages of discussion on good vegan donut resources.
I’m not vegan, but I wish I could be vegetarian. I do know a lot of vegans, most of them are super nice people, that never made me feel bad about not being vegan, and who usually bring the best dishes at potluck. The truth is being vegan would be the most sustainable way of living for humanity, but people feel attacked whenever this is mentioned.
Vegetarian here (I like cheese, sue me)
Just wanted to point out a reason not listed:
Look at the people posting succinct points in here without attacking. Then go look at the downvoters, and follow them back to the vegan magazines where they’re rather caustic, to put the least. Not everyone likes being compared to nazis when we’re just existing in the same food chain as every other animal, carnivore or no.
Because the Internet makes it easy to more forcefully express strong opinions, from both parties.
It’s very easy to run into vegans on the Internet who will call you an unethical monster for eating meat, which if you don’t think of yourself as an unethical monster, can be a bit offensive.
You also run into non-vegans who can’t get it through their heads that that’s not every vegan on earth, or even just the Internet or likely even that conversation.
It’s much harder to call someone an animal hating monster or a pretentious condescending asshole face to face.
