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Just let him go in peace. Stop following him around with a camera.
Jimmy Carter is a war criminal who sold arms to Indonesia to be used to commit genocide against the East Timorese until the UN kicked them out.
I understand to many Americans he has been painted as the kindest peanut farming house building hero ever, but he’s a war criminal.
War crimes are the bread and butter of any respectable US president.
Incredibly sad. A great President and human being.
You’ve given it your all. More than most can say. And, you’ve done it while taking it on the chin the whole time from lesser people and politicians. You are/were a great man!
Godspeed, Mr President.
He is truly a wonderful and selfless person. I can think of way worse people much easier than I can think of truly great people. He’s up there with Fred Rogers in my book. Jimmy, thank you for you service, bless you and your family. I hope there is no pain. 🫂💐
a great president and an even greater human being
He was President when I was born, and it will be sad to see such a genuinely decent person depart this Earth. He did so much for so many.
God speed.
Good, soon to be another dead war criminal who shares responsibility for the genocide of the East Timorese.
American propaganda and indoctrination is so strong that they look back fondly on this guy. Fucking pathetic really.
People on the internet rarely get under my skin, but if I met you in person right now I’d pop you right in your dirty whore mouth. Ideally, hard enough to shatter your worthless jaws and make you swallow your teeth. I hope you fail at every endeavor going forward and die alone and afraid. Shit stain.
Damn big man, threatening physical violence because I don’t support genocide. God Bless America son, you’re a model citizen!
I followed up on your assertions, as I was wholly ignorant to them prior. And while I’m not terribly surprised, as it’s seemingly almost impossible to be the President and not get involved in our country’s sordid history, I am sad to find out Jimmy “sold his peanut farm” Carter’s legacy is tied to so many atrocities. It’s worth knowing about if we want to improve the world.
A bit of friendly advice though, attacking people for their ignorance is simply a terrible way to break their illusions. Unless you were just trying to be a dick for its own sake, your tact will accomplish little more than pushing people further down the path you so eloquently deemed “fucking pathetic”.
And to that extent, don’t be so quick to throw stones from your glass house. There are no countries that are wholly innocent. We need to push for solidarity, not division, if we aim to change that in the future.
This community just upvoted a guy saying he wanted to physically assault me and wishes he could.
Yet calling ignorance and supporting genocide as fucking pathetic is attacking people worthy of downvotes?
Please, the downvotes and combativeness are because Americans are trained their whole life to believe a narrative and support their party. I with my foreign perspective challenged their identity and they rallied in defense of all they know.
If you don’t believe go make a top level post explaining Carter’s crimes and see how well they receive it.
Sorry pal, but I dont see the value in dropping a list of atrocities on a post about an old mans final days. Especially not to prove a point to someone who views the world as so black and white, and who picks fights only to act indignant when they find one.
I dont agree with the vitriolic comments thrown your way, but if you dont see how you asked for them, then you are as bad at self reflection as the Americans you are so quick to judge.
Oh really.
So if Trump died, you wouldn’t say anything but niceness about him?
To say I asked for threats of violence because I didn’t worship an American president is also pretty fucking pathetic.
You fucking people are exhausting.
“You fucking people”
What anti-genociders?
Fuck sorry mate, I should stop bringing politics into things like politicians lives eh.
Would you prefer if I overlook what your leaders do, so I can rabidly support them like a sports team?
You fucking people aka dipshits. Go to Gaza and fuck off already
If dipshits oppose genocide, then I’m a proud dipshit.
And what have you done about it? Sat your fat ass in a protest holding a sign? Go over there and do something you lazy piece of shit.
Trump supporter or Carter supporter, can’t tell a difference from your responses.
Imagine spending your time arguing in defence of genocide, at what point does one look in the mirror and self-reflect on what they’ve become.
No I’m just sick of fat lazy pieces of shit thinking bitching about it online is making some sort of difference. If you really care, go over there and do something loser
I remember when Carter was president. I always respected him. In the early 2000s i remember getting so much shit for defending him. I’m proud to be an American when I think of him and his legacy. He is a good man and I hope that he will be remembered in a positive way. He was truly wronged by the Republicans and the Iran Contra shit will forever be a shadow over the good that Carter tried to create in the middle East.
I imagine if the dirty tricks Reagan pulled or like if Gore wasn’t cheated or even Hillary got 4 years, the world would be a much better place than it is.
Up to 300,000 East Timorese were murdered by Indonesia after Carter supplied them with weapons knowing their intended use.
Is that the actions of a good man to you?
A good US president is like a good Nestle CEO, they don’t exist.
I hope you never find yourself standing in judgment for the worst thing you ever did.
Sure?
Was that meant to be like a bad thing?
The worst I’ve ever done is so minor compared to this.
You should probably get your facts straight first, your oversimplified version of what happened is a mockery of what happened
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_invasion_of_East_Timor
No.
Fact is Carter’s administration sold those weapons. It wasn’t a secret what Indonesia was looking to use them for.
Yeah you clearly don’t understand the basics.
The basics that
A) Carter sold weapons to Indonesia
B ) It’s the Cold War
C ) To empower brutal murdering authoritarians like SuhartoJust as whenever America armed some authie in South America or anywhere else in the world, we know what it was going to be used for.
But please share your “basic”.
The fact that I provided you the information, spelled out and you continue to spout idiotic nonsense is just amazing.
First thing
The Indonesian invasion of East Timor, known in Indonesia as Operation Lotus began on 7 December 1975
James Earl Carter Jr. (born October 1, 1924) is an American politician and humanitarian who served as the 39th president of the United States from 1977 to 1981.
Facts.
The Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation in East Timor documented a minimum estimate of 102,000 conflict-related deaths in East Timor throughout the entire period from 1974 to 1999, including 18,600 violent killings and 84,200 deaths from disease and starvation; Indonesian forces and their auxiliaries combined were responsible for 70% of the killings.
During the first months of the occupation, the Indonesian military faced heavy insurgency resistance in the mountainous interior of the island, but from 1977 to 1978, the military procured new advanced weaponry from the United States, and other countries, to destroy Fretilin’s framework.
In an interview on 5 April 1977 with the Sydney Morning Herald, Indonesian Foreign Minister Adam Malik said the number of dead was “50,000 people or perhaps 80,000”.
The UN’s Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation in East Timor (CAVR) estimated the number of deaths during the occupation from famine and violence to be between 90,800 and 202,600 including between 17,600 and 19,600 violent deaths or disappearances, out of a 1999 population of approximately 823,386.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_invasion_of_East_Timor#US_involvement
For US President Gerald Ford and his administration, East Timor was a place of little significance, overshadowed by US–Indonesian relations. The fall of Saigon in mid-1975 had been a devastating setback for the United States, leaving Indonesia as the most important ally in the region. Ford consequently reasoned that the US national interest had to be on the side of Indonesia.[84] As Ford later stated: “in the scope of things, Indonesia wasn’t too much on my radar”, and “We needed allies after Vietnam”.
Let’s not forget Harry Kissinger
As early as December 1974—a year before the invasion—the Indonesian defense attaché in Washington sounded out US views about an Indonesian takeover of East Timor.[86] The Americans were tight-lipped, and in March 1975 Secretary of State Henry Kissinger approved a “policy of silence” vis-à-vis Indonesia, a policy that had been recommended by the Ambassador to Indonesia, David Newsom.[87] The administration worried about the potential impact on US–Indonesian relations in the event that a forced incorporation of East Timor was met with a major Congressional reaction.[87] On 8 October 1975, Assistant Secretary of State Philip Habib told meeting participants that “It looks like the Indonesians have begun the attack on Timor.” Kissinger’s response to Habib was, “I’m assuming you’re really going to keep your mouth shut on this subject.”[
So let’s go back to the original argument here. That Carter sold a bunch of weapons and caused all the deaths.
Clearly that’s not what happened.
The man is a nuclear powered super hero. Look up the Chalk River incident. From an old Destroyer Escort Sailor, Fire Control Technician (Guns) First Class, Fair Winds And Following Seas Mr Carter.
For future readers unaware, Carter earned his degree in nuclear physics before/during his duty in the navy aboard a nuclear powered submarine.
Probably the last truly good person to hold the presidency. Godspeed.
i wish i knew the addresses of the people downvoting you
East Timor (genocide), Afghanistan (Operation Cyclone started under Carter), Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Bolivia (Operation Condor).
Don’t know why your being downvoted. Ppl are acting like he was Jesus incarnate. He was probably the most honest president in recent history but when all of them are war criminals that’s not saying much.
“But those people were brown, they don’t count”
The Villages
florida? STD capital of america?
Yikes.
Obama, Biden
We didn’t deserve Carter. And we showed it.
300,000 people in East Timor certainly didn’t deserve Carter supplying Indonesia with the tools to carry out genocide.
Sorry bud, it’s hard to understand what you’re saying with Jinping’s cock all up in your mouth like that
Neither of us life in China, and they had nothing to do with the atrocities the US facilitated under Carter (which admittedly, is less than any other recent president), why are you bringing them up?
Because that’s where your half-baked talking points are coming from, comrade.
Is it really inconceivable that someone could organically not like genocide?
Any American who acknowledges that every president for the last century has done things we hanged Nazis for at Nuremberg must have been tricked by outside forces?
No, that part’s not inconceivable. The inconceivable part is that you claim to not like it while also defending the undisputed kings of it. Mao makes Hitler look like a fucking amateur lol
lmao what? Life expectancy nearly doubled since the communists took over, and now they’re similar to OECD nations.
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CHN/china/life-expectancy
But also the audacity of calling China “the kings of genocide”, while the whole world watches in horror while we facilitate a genocide in Palestine and beat the living shit out of anyone who protests it.
Every accusation a confession.
Fuck off, this has been addressed elsewhere.
We get it. It’s been addressed. You don’t have to reply to everyone about it.
It’s very easy to forget why Carter was largely considered a middling President in his time.
Between his fumbling of the Iran Hostage Crisis, his public sector strike breaking, and his Volcker Shock Economics, he set the stage for Reaganism and the end of Progressive Era politics.
But then he did Habitat for Humanity which was nice. And he talked a good game on climate change. And he called Israel Apartheid as he saw it decades before any other mainstream politician.
to be fair, the republicans conspired with the iranians in secret to hold the hostages until after the election in exchange for money which the us used to buy arms for terrorists in central america.
The Ayatollah buying scud missiles from Donald
TrumpRumsfeld and Oliver North was crazy, when you consider how much the GOP say they hate Iran and love Reagan.But Tip O’Neal and Ted Kennedy and a young Senator from Delaware whose name I can’t recall brushed it all under the table. The sentence for these henous crimes landed on North’s shoulders and totaled
a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service
But even that was too much.
with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North appealed his conviction to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. On July 20, 1990, the D.C. Circuit vacated North’s convictions on the ground that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.
The Aristocrats!
That’s gotta be a bit of a smudge on the ACLU
They’ve got a very checkered past. Very much a “rights are for whites” organization in a lot of cases.
Backing Klan and Nazi parades while dropping off the map in the face of the Stonewall Marches, the anti-war movements, and BLM.
They’ve been near useless when it comes to abortion rights, police brutality, and refugee rights, as far as I’ve seen.
about fucking time.
Like the guy and all but jesus christ is he old as fuck.
What benefit are we getting with him dying? Like why do you sound like he deserves it?
about fucking time.
unfortunately that’s the problem i think. I did word it pretty shitty though, i just didn’t care to reword it lmao.
It bothers me that the one example of a politican that everybody seems to love is jimmy carter. Incredible guy, but it’s fucking depressing to think that there isn’t anybody else like him at the moment. I’m sure there will be in the future, but this dude really seems to be one in a million right now.