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This reminds me of the story from some time back about a family calling emergency services because their disabled kid has a meltdown and was being violent. Cops showed up, kid went after one of them with a gardening tool, so the other one shot him.
I think it can be used as an example of why jumping from chapter 1 to chapter 2 isn’t all that helpful.
counterpoint: a disabled child is not a fascist
But how do you know if a fascist isn’t a disabled child?
I need to upvote this like a million more times… Jfc… 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Also counterpoint: cops are not antifascist so the OP just made a completely irrelevant comment.
Cops as a group or as individuals?
Also, that OP thing is funny considering your tag.
No that’s an example of ACAB. The cops are the fascists
I disagree. I can only see it as an application of chapter 2. Only that they skipped chapter 1. And usually, the grunts aren’t really recruited for their ability to read books.
Provides perfect example of love not defeating fascism.
Misreads it as the exact opposite…
Wouldn’t the exact opposite be love defeating fascism? I don’t believe i said that anywhere. But I can say it now.
Love can defeat fascism. Mutual love as fellow humans. Everyone has to be willing to put it to practice though.
The example i gave has a simpler purpose. Extreme violence only has one result: death.
Some people expect it to be the death of fascism, but it’s not. It’s just death. And death isn’t picky.
Instead, some people here seem to love hating. They love to hate cops, lump them together and dehumanize them into a blob of abhorrent mass.
I know it’s hard to think about things and harder still to solve the issues that plague us, but that doesn’t make advocating violence right, no matter who it is against.
It’s fine to be wrathful. But it’s not right. Violence changes you. And as long as you have a conscience, the remorse will always be there. To escape the burden, many choose to lock away that conscience and fall deeper into violence. Until you become that which you claimed to kill.
The only real way of defeating fascism is solving the issues that caused it to surface, together.
I didn’t bother reading because three paragraphs in it was clear you failed to recognize the fascists were the one committing extreme violence leading to death…
Then that’s a you problem.
You’re a highly ineffective troll…
Some men, you just can’t reach
Vote for Biden: 15,000 dead children by his aid.
The founding fathers of this country would be disgusted with your apathy.
- Fuck those chumps, this country isn’t their problem any more
- The only way this country stops sucking so bad is if lefties get very serious in a big way
The founding fathers would be applauding, lol. They were slave owning Capitalists.
This nonviolent stuff’ll get you killed.
It’s important for two reasons
First to build support and legimize a cause. if politicians actually listen then the violence would not have been justified yet Exemplified by schools that divested from israel without calling in the cops first.
Second it is the only way a movement can grow mainstream before turning to violence.The Black Panthers got so many members because MLK did his non violent thing for years.
You know that old saying, violence is always the answer. /s
If history is our guide, when fascism is the question, violence is always the answer. Never in history has unchecked conservatism been defeated by pacifism.
February Revolution doesn’t count?
Nonviolent protests are an appeal to humanity or a threat of violence. If your opponent refuses to have humanity and you’re unwilling to escalate to violence it will not work.
The tankiest
Violence might not always be the correct answer, but it is an answer.
Look, man, if you’re up against someone who is, when it comes down to it, willing to use violence, and you aren’t… if the issue is serious enough that no other resolution presents itself as an acceptable compromise, the one willing to use violence is gonna win over the one who isn’t.
Violence is a hard and dangerous task to undertake, with uncertain prospects, especially in the context of societal action. But without the ability to resort to it in times of crisis, no rights are secure.
I was 19 when I realized my parents were raised to be authoritarians. My grandparents would’ve been considered racists even in their time and both my mom and dad were raised in a little farm town. My parents are good people and generally want to do the right thing but explaining this to them and trying to make them aware of their biases has been a full time job.
I will not show the same love and respect to your parents. Go do your jobs so we don’t need step 2.
-Luigi
When you want to paint left-leaning people as violent, tell them they have no choice.
Peace is never an option with fascism
mario got luigi acting up i guess.
Yes. But General Strike. But Yes
A general strike will almost certainly be met with violence. So comrades need to plan their reaction in advance. This could be taking the punches, or not…
Does it count as love if I love violence? 🤔
Relevant Owlturd/Shencomix comic
this is a great post. i think people have trouble understanding that great acts of violence can be born out of love for humanity. there are people in society that are threats to humanity. those people cannot be saved by love. many powerful positions are only achievable by people who lack empathy.
many people also have a hard time understanding that goose and gander arguments only confuse simple truths. we are not all equal. just because you use the same tools that evil uses does not make you evil. evil will use those tools regardless of your morals. just because you choose the high road doesn’t mean that evil will do the same.
we have an obligation as wardens of this world to insure that we don’t destroy it. that might mean weeding out those of us that would do irreparable harm.
I’m a combat vet and like some others realize it was for a bunch of bullshit. I’m pretty leftist and personally am pretty anti violence because of my experiences.
That being said, some systems and people only speak one language. Trying to talk to them in “human respect” and “compromise” is like trying to talk to a Frenchman in Chinese - if the options are violence or getting steamrolled then it is what it is. 🤷
As everyone who’s ever read 8-Bit Theater knows, love is in fact the most powerful force in the universe when focused into a coherent arcane energy beam of absolute magical destruction.
Incredible violence is just a kind of love, you know? Violence is predicated on a kind of love. You must become intimately familiar with your opponent, with their movements, their mind, in order to do effective violence, to cause effective destruction. Violence is an intimate act, it requires a kind of love, begets a kind of love. Sort of the idea of, the opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference. Hate and love are just two lenses through which the same core compulsion is viewed, and violence is just another kind of outlet for that compulsion.
You must become intimately familiar with your opponent, with their movements, their mind, in order to do effective violence, to cause effective destruction.
Or you could be completely indifferent and drone strike them from your office.
I mean you don’t think that the people who do the drone strikes have just outsourced that process to a series of bureaucratic apparatuses? The man who pulls the trigger is the last step in that process, before that, they have people dedicated to watching and selecting targets.
I mean, I hope so. But considering how many wedding convoys have been drone-striked, I’m not so sure. Maybe it’s true in Russia-Ukraine though.
I mean I think it’s pretty likely that those wedding convoys are just being drone striked because they specifically want to inflict as much pain and displeasure as possible. Terror, one might say. “Strategic bombing”. It might very well be accidental, but it might also just be the case that they pull the trigger and then apologize later.
