I assume that integrated into this bill are guaranteed rights that trans people can cohntersue for harassment and defamation if they are misgendered while using the legally mandated bathroom.
we need to make suing people illegal, i think.
Petty lawsuits should not just be dismissed but the accuser should be charged with a misdemeanor.
i think we should allow lawsuits if you assume the full cost of the suit, meaning that if it’s an ez win, you can just pro bono that shit.
imagine being one of the guys to get run over by some careless celebrity’s SUV though. “every bone in your body is shattered and your legs and torso are beyond recognition? too bad you can’t sue me over it”
or you know, something actually serious like getting your water supply tainted by some company dumping chemicals. that’s not as funny as attempted vehicular homicide though
BTW, can a woman sue a man for using the ladies’ toilet?
… Yeah wouldn’t that be there while point? They don’t consider them women, so they are upset that “men” are using the women’s room
Right, but can a cis woman sue a cis man for using the women’s toilet? I have to assume the answer is yes, there would be legal grounds to sue. Or at least that the lawmakers and governor believe there would be.
If I ever go to Mississippi I guess I’m gonna have to piss on the governor’s mansion instead
Can we petition to rename it Missipississipy?
Too difficult to pronounce. Let’s just call it Pississippi. There’s too many M states and only one P state anyway 🤷
Why would you ever do that?
Go to Mississippi I mean, it’s the literal worst state in the worst country.
the worst country
This seems a little dramatic
Try being trans, gay, or black here then get back to me.
Edit: or poor. Or homeless. Or neurodivergent. Or mentally ill.
Actually you know what, just go fuck yourself, how’s that?
just go fuck yourself, how’s that?
This also seems incredibly dramatic
I’m not trying to say that the US is perfect, but do you honestly believe that the US is the “worst” place to be any of the things you listed?
There are plenty of places in the world you would be put to death for being gay. Try asking an immigrant from literally any of those countries if they prefer the US and get back to me.
We did it guys! The bar is a millimeter off the floor and we cleared it!
You’re actually arguing that the difference between being put to death and not is a “millimeter off the floor”? That is some privileged nonsense, frankly.
I agree that the US has problems, but hyperbolic doomerism is hardly conducive to changing any of that.
I’m saying “Some places are worse” is not an argument that “This is fine”.
The point being discussed is that this is a terrible law and an example of Mississippi being a shit hole. You are just side tracking the conversation because you don’t understand the function of hyperbole in speech and think talking about how “The US isn’t literally the worst place to live” is somehow a helpful or useful conversation to have in light of the topic art hand.
The US has problems, and insisting that some places are worse is hardly conducive to changing any of that.
I’ve got real bad news about how the rest of the world feels about those things then.
As sad as it is, America is one of the most progressive and diverse nations in the world.
Looks at Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, etc
You don’t know how much that means to me as a Texan. I was thinking we were the worst, but you give me hope.
As a former Floridian, I thought Florida was the worst.
No, wait, I’m pretty sure Florida is still the worst, but Mississippi is going to be joining Florida on Erin’s Do Not Travel list. :(
Florida speed ran to the bottom. Mississippi has been awful from the start. Texas is the disappointment state, it keeps looking like it might turn blue before pulling some bullshit
The US is the worst country? Wat? Bro, have you heard of North Korea?
America sucks but have you heard of Haiti?
Those poor judges who want to deal with legitimate cases
Oh the fifth circuit is SO excited for this
Edit: I had to google to double check, but yes, Mississippi is part of the fifth circuit (ones of the most conservative appeals courts in the USA)
I’m sure the conservative half of SCOTUS won’t complain if it gets kicked up to them either.
The thing that gets me with this is, how is anyone to know?
If you present as the gender on the door, what are they going to do? Rip your pants down and check? Cop a feel? That’s assault. Peep through the stall? Pretty sure that’s a misdemeanor, most places.
I get the idea behind this is terror, but “Fuck off! I’m shitting here!” should be the only response anyone should get to a nosy question in the bathroom.
Not all trans women pass. It takes a combination of the genetic lottery, a lot of money, time, and work to pass. Not everyone has that luck nor those resources. Nonbinary folks are also put in a no-win situation.
I’ve met and currently work with more than a few folks, who were neither trans or crossdressers, of both genders that would have trouble “passing” as their own gender.
On a completely unrelated topic:
https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a-criminal-code/al-code-sect-13a-3-23/
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2020/title-16/chapter-3/article-2/section-16-3-23-1/I don’t spend as much time in these states so you’ll have to find code yourself but here’s some interesting summaries:
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/stand-your-ground-in-mississippi/
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/stand-your-ground-in-texas/
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/stand-your-ground-in-louisiana/
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/stand-your-ground-in-florida/ https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/stand-your-ground-in-tennessee/I always prefer to avoid conflict wherever possible, even if it means not going somewhere I want to go, but it’s always nice to know I have options should things go sideways. Always learn the law in your area. It makes making a profit easier.
I will just never go back to the south. I won’t spend tourism money in places that want me dead. I am not shy to tell friends and family to avoid it too. Most people are unaware of how bad it is getting out there for trans people and when I tell them they usually agree that they don’t want to support those economies either.
Well considering that one woman literally pulled another woman’s skirt down (not all the way) because she felt it was too short, in front of other people, and then called 911 herself, I wouldn’t put it past someone in a bathroom to do worse if they “suspected” someone was trans, whether or not they actually are
Also I’m sorry for all the commas but I already did it and I don’t want to edit it lol
And people who would do this think they can always tell. What are the odds they’ll believe a 6’2” woman when she says she was born with the vulva they just made visible?
It’s because these people have the “we can always tell” mentality. But then they’re the same people who go harass trans guys on Twitter telling them that they will never be women, so…
They have an outdated idea of trans people and think that trans women are literally just guys in dresses (kinda like 80s transvestites, if that word is still usable). So they expect to see fucking Frankenfurter from Rocky horror or Eddie Izzard (she’s fantastic and all but let’s not kid ourselves that she’s what they expect trans women to look like)
God bless Mississippi for being just close enough to Missouri that I have hope that it might not be us
I was wondering if Alabama would somehow be the worst for a while, there’s always Mississippi
Where are people supposed to shit?!
The entire point is to make their existence illegal. Then no matter what they do you can charge them with the excuse of “they shouldn’t have broken the law.”
Where does their state congress meet? Inside their desks sounds reasonable to me.
They’re trying to legislate them out of existence.
insanity.
Typical fascist America.
In fascist capitalist America, they check your genitalia before you use the bathroom.
Every American criticizes North Korea and China for much less.
Yes, the United States of Mississippi
You don’t have to live next to me
Just give me my equality
Everybody knows about Mississippi
Everybody knows about Alabama
Everybody knows about Mississippi, goddamn
Nina Simone sang it about the black experience in Mississippi in the 1960s. With a couple of minor lyrics changes, it could be about the queer experience today.
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“This is a show tune but the show hasn’t been written for it yet.”
I was talking to my therapist yesterday about this, before this news dropped. How I couldn’t wait to get my new ID card with an F on it so that I could finally go to the bathroom without too much fear. If someone happened to spot that maybe I was trans, I could just put it out and say “look, I’m a woman” and walk away.
But she was in disbelief at this. She genuinely couldn’t wrap her head around the idea of someone making a scene because a trans person was in their bathroom. Like, at first, she thought I was blowing up a non existent issue. “Who would do this?!”, she asked, And I told her it was an actual issue that lots of people were doing it and therefore lots of trans people avoided the bathroom like the plague.
And when I told her about some US states new laws, taking Utah as an example, her jaw dropped. She had this look of utter disappointment, like I had just chipped away a piece of her faith in humanity.
Not only did the idea never crossed her mind, she couldn’t even conceive why it would be a problem. I laughed at this and told her: “That’s because you’re a normal person.”
Just wanted to share this with all of you, especially fellow trans people. It’s good to know that while some people are mentally deranged at the idea of my existence, It not only seems to be a very loud minority, but it also seems to be a repellent for a lot of people who cannot grasp their obsessions.
Seeing someone who isn’t really aware of our issues in the first place being shocked at these things was relieving. It felt good and gave me hope.
Even though I rationally understand it, I still have a hard time wrapping my head around it. Let someone shit in peace. If I’m in the men’s room and someone comes in there that looks like a woman dressed as a man, I couldn’t care less.
In fact, if someone came into the men’s room and looked like Marylin Monroe in the famous white dress, I couldn’t care less.
Piss, shit, whatever.
Just don’t talk to me. I’m not in there to make friends.
Imagine going to the bathroom, just to take a shit! How fucking weird, right? (/s)
…seriously, I wonder what these people imagine we’re doing in the bathroom. Or hell, what are they doing in the bathroom that warrant such worries?
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They like to bring up the “a man could wear a dress and go into the women’s room and rape a little girl” canard. To which I reply, “they’d probably get away with that more easily if they wore a janitor’s uniform. We really should ban janitors from bathrooms.”
They don’t care for that suggestion.
So the only thing stopping them from doing that now is the dress detecting force field around the bathroom?
They already do this in church. They don’t need to risk trying it in a public bathroom.
I may be pulling something out of my ass but I honestly can’t be bothered to check. But, wasn’t this something that was said about lesbian women too? That they shouldn’t be allowed in women’s bathroom because they would pry on other women and so on?
Not only was that a thing, a lot of the transphobic violence in bathrooms winds up hitting cis lesbians
Or just, like, cis girls with short hair.
At this point, maybe people should just start shitting on the floor if someone tries to challenge them.
Nobody even notices at Wal-Mart
Of course not, but just try doing it in an Aeropostale.
…not that I’d know anything about that.
Taking your penis off and rubbing it on the toilet paper, obviously
There’s three acceptable forms of communication in the restroom: functional (eg after you), quick compliments on outfit/makeup (some dislike it but it grew on me), and the far too drunk lady who speaks the wisdom she cannot possess
quick compliments
“Smells like you’ve been eating your recommended dose of fiber. Great job!”
quick compliments
Sounded like your were fryin’ chicken in there. I like that.
Cue them freaking out when bearded hairy trans men are forced to use women’s washrooms because of this law.
This is a first amendment violation. My bathroom choice is my Expression
