I’m not an anti-natalist nor am I planning to have children, but I am generally interested if there is a good reason to have children.
It is obvious that capitalism makes it hard to raise kids but even without capitalism, is there a good reason to bring new humans to earth?
I don’t know am I caring too much?
Without “new humans”, who will continue the socialist cause? If you’re not having kids and raising them as socialists, capitalists will still be raising generations of future capitalists, and indoctrinating proletarian kids to service capitalism.
As an individual you are free to make your own choices, but for socialism to succeed, socialists have to survive in the first place.
I would argue that a single child is such a time sink that you are doing a disservice to the movement because that time could be spent radicalizating dozens of strangers.
Raising children is certainly not easy and comes with its own set of issues, but hopefully most would agree that education is very important to the socialist cause. Children are at the age where they have time to learn, because humanity has decided that child labour is not acceptable, and they are more receptive to all sorts of information whether progressive or reactionary.
Educating children and radicalizing strangers are not mutually exclusive activities because of the division of labour. Some comrades will be teachers, some will be communicators (propagandists), others might be workers, farmers, soldiers, students, scientists, leaders, or even capitalists (yes!), and certainly all of them can have children while taking on those roles. Maybe this is a foreign concept to some, but children don’t have to be raised solely by their own parents, because grandparents, comrades, friends, or relatives can all help out.
I am aware that the nuclear family is a bad model for raising children. My brother lives with our parents and is raising a child. Even with their help, he still barely has time to do anything between raising his kid and his job. If he were a communist, his participation in an organization would take a significant hit. Raising a kid is a whole-ass 18 year commitment even with help, especially in the first few years.
You could radicalize so many more people with that time than just one child, and as another user pointed out, your child could always turn out like Pete Buttigieg or Kamala Harris: neoliberals with Marxist parents.
Raising a kid is an “18 year commitment” only if you view children as a product in a capitalist society that takes 18 years to produce. Children are a lifetime commitment, as is any serious relationship whether bonded by blood or not.
So what happens if your kid turns 18 and becomes reactionary one way or another, is this person then different from the strangers who you want to radicalize? Where do these strangers who you want to radicalize come from in the first place, were they not children once? Do you then prioritize radicalizing strangers who do not have kids over those who do?
Even if the traditional (bourgeois) family relation were to be abolished (as touched upon in the Communist Manifesto), the relationship between people will still be there just by their existence in society. As Marx also mentioned in “Theses On Feuerbach” (https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/theses/): “But the essence of man is no abstraction inherent in each single individual. In reality, it is the ensemble of the social relations.”
I also want to mention that other than the traditional idea of reproduction, there may be more options in future that have ethical issues like surrogacy and artificial wombs. These potential options do not change the physical blood relations between mother and child, but if they were to become mainstream along with accompanying societal measures for childcare, they would fundamentally dismantle the traditional family unit too.
All this is a long-winded way of saying, how children will be raised in future might be different from today, but it doesn’t change the fact that you need children for society to continue functioning. Children are the future, not just philosophically but also materially because the old will pass and the young will carry on the flame.
Throughout my comments I have not mentioned the emotional value of having children, because I think it’s easier to explain the practical value of children to society to someone who doesn’t understand the basic idea of why reproduction is necessary to humanity.
Final point that I haven’t mention, is that revolution involves bloodshed, and fighting counterrevolutions too.
So is doing anything other than communist activities then lol. What’s the point of actually having a life of every waking second has to be spend furthering the cause?
Hey, I’m not the one advocating for making a permanent 18 year commitment to using all your free time to further the cause.
This is probably the most laughable thing I read. What orgs center goals around de radicalizing strangers. There’s plenty communists or whoever who have families and still organize. Some militantly so.
I worked at a rice research station here in India. Plenty of people who worked at the farm were in local organizations while also being at different jobs. Most of them were old and already had families. I guess they wasted their time that could have been spent de radicalizing strangers.
I think there’s something to be said about raising kids in a Marxist environment, though. Even if they grow up and have a fundamental disinterest in that sort of thing, you’ve normalized Marxist thought and maybe even warded off some brainwashing from capital. That’s a powerful thing, making even one to three new people who believe Marxism to be normal and logical in the west.
You’re not wrong at all but there’s also the chance your kids turn out like Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg (both their fathers were/are Marxists).
Plenty who don’t.
This is the most haunting thing anyone has ever said to me on this website.