We also have to overcome gerrymandering, which SCOTUS just said is legal (as long as the GOP pretends to disenfranchise people for political reasons rather than racial ones). At the same time, we need to overwhelm voter suppression with enough genuine votes that it isn’t effective. Same with the Electoral College, the illegitimate Supreme Court, and the Senate, which gives outsized influence to big, empty Red States and fight against the unlimited flow of dark money in politics…
It can all still be done, but we have to all vote, donate, and volunteer, as well be unified as you said. My big unity wish is messaging. No one can compete with Fox News because Right Wing Media is very good at staying on message and we’re a “big tent” party, but still; we have to be better at it…
I am as anti-gerrymandering as anybody but there is no denying both parties do it and the gap between them has been steadily decreasing since 2010 when the GOP really nailed it. While it’s definitely not equal for both parties right now, the difference isn’t large enough to single it out as a primary variable for the GOP’s disproportionate power anymore.
Far more consequential is FPTP and winner takes all/the electoral college. That’s why we keep seeing GOP presidents losing the popular vote over and over again.
Edit: also their flagrant disregard for rules and norms without any consequences
I’m not sure if this is sarcasm? But either way, gerrymandering is already illegal. The problem is proving it was done. It’s an incredibly subjective thing so it’s hard to enforce. And unfortunately, bad judges hide behind this fact. Some districts are obviously incredibly flagrant and I wish more was done to stop them, but ultimately, it is technically illegal. So I’m not sure what we can do beyond provide more public pressure to enforce it, but both parties enjoy the benefits so the pressure would have to be enormous. It’s one of those “i’m against gerrymandering for everyone else“ situations. Neither party will surrender the advantage willingly.
If I am misinterpreting you and that was not meant to be sarcastic, my bad. And I’d like to reiterate I am against gerrymandering. My state is horrible. But I’m not sure what can be done here by me. Implementing RCV seems way more feasible right now, as evidenced by states already beginning to test it out.
Racial gerrymandering is, but you can say you’re drawing districts specifically to help your party win and that’s not illegal. At least not at the federal level. Your state might have better rules.
I’m sure the slaves would “never be freed”, women would “never work”, black people and woman would never vote", black people would “never have equal rights”, etc.
I would argue that while you’re correct you’re not 100% correct and overlooking a lot of nuances in history. If you want to look at it like that the empire fractured into two, there was a war and the winning side engulfed the other. None of the things you bring up as examples were accomplished with just unity and lobbying, all of these causes involved violence or the threat of violence. Don’t go over simplifying history, a lot of people died for those rights. I by no means am advocating for these liars or violence but history has proven liars like this can be very dangerous and should not be laughed off.
Did you even pay attention to the comment I was responding to? Like how am I suppose to anticipate my response being applied to a completely different argument
I’d argue that we can beat them from any position, as long as we do it in unity.
We also have to overcome gerrymandering, which SCOTUS just said is legal (as long as the GOP pretends to disenfranchise people for political reasons rather than racial ones). At the same time, we need to overwhelm voter suppression with enough genuine votes that it isn’t effective. Same with the Electoral College, the illegitimate Supreme Court, and the Senate, which gives outsized influence to big, empty Red States and fight against the unlimited flow of dark money in politics…
It can all still be done, but we have to all vote, donate, and volunteer, as well be unified as you said. My big unity wish is messaging. No one can compete with Fox News because Right Wing Media is very good at staying on message and we’re a “big tent” party, but still; we have to be better at it…
I am as anti-gerrymandering as anybody but there is no denying both parties do it and the gap between them has been steadily decreasing since 2010 when the GOP really nailed it. While it’s definitely not equal for both parties right now, the difference isn’t large enough to single it out as a primary variable for the GOP’s disproportionate power anymore.
Far more consequential is FPTP and winner takes all/the electoral college. That’s why we keep seeing GOP presidents losing the popular vote over and over again.
Edit: also their flagrant disregard for rules and norms without any consequences
Yes, please focus on the thing that needs a constitutional amendment to change, and not the thing that has more popular support.
I’m not sure if this is sarcasm? But either way, gerrymandering is already illegal. The problem is proving it was done. It’s an incredibly subjective thing so it’s hard to enforce. And unfortunately, bad judges hide behind this fact. Some districts are obviously incredibly flagrant and I wish more was done to stop them, but ultimately, it is technically illegal. So I’m not sure what we can do beyond provide more public pressure to enforce it, but both parties enjoy the benefits so the pressure would have to be enormous. It’s one of those “i’m against gerrymandering for everyone else“ situations. Neither party will surrender the advantage willingly.
If I am misinterpreting you and that was not meant to be sarcastic, my bad. And I’d like to reiterate I am against gerrymandering. My state is horrible. But I’m not sure what can be done here by me. Implementing RCV seems way more feasible right now, as evidenced by states already beginning to test it out.
Racial gerrymandering is, but you can say you’re drawing districts specifically to help your party win and that’s not illegal. At least not at the federal level. Your state might have better rules.
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/17/1173469584/partisan-gerrymandering-explainer-north-carolina
None of that is going to happen. The empire would rather fall. - History.
I’m sure the slaves would “never be freed”, women would “never work”, black people and woman would never vote", black people would “never have equal rights”, etc.
Don’t let history get in the way of history.
I would argue that while you’re correct you’re not 100% correct and overlooking a lot of nuances in history. If you want to look at it like that the empire fractured into two, there was a war and the winning side engulfed the other. None of the things you bring up as examples were accomplished with just unity and lobbying, all of these causes involved violence or the threat of violence. Don’t go over simplifying history, a lot of people died for those rights. I by no means am advocating for these liars or violence but history has proven liars like this can be very dangerous and should not be laughed off.
Did you even pay attention to the comment I was responding to? Like how am I suppose to anticipate my response being applied to a completely different argument
That’s why I did it! Did you read the comment you were responding to? Being applied to a completely different argument?
I didn’t say you were wrong but I was adressing the defeatist part of their argument.
Not with that attitude.
And with armaments.