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Good catch. Just updated
He’s begged the oil industry to come up with a $1b donation for his “campaign”, this is the reach around if they make it happen.
That’s a funny way to get the auto companies and unions in the three states Biden really needs to go all in on Biden.
I’m confused. Both of them seem to be trying to lose this election.
Why? Better margins on gas cars, I think industrial Michigan would love this because it means they won’t be squeezed into electric car manufacturing. I get told by big 3 engineers that if it wasn’t for the subsidies they wouldn’t be electrifying their fleets. The consumer may not like it, unions may not like it, but the companies could give a damn.
I get told by big 3 engineers that if it wasn’t for the subsidies they wouldn’t be electrifying their fleets.
We’ve been subsidizing ICE vehicles for the better part of the last century. Famously, Bush Jr passed enormous tax cuts for SUVs and other “light trucks” back in 2003.
Congress recently passed a tax bill, as proposed in President Bush’s economic stimulus plan, that offers a $100,000 tax credit for business owners who purchase any vehicle weighing 6,000 pounds or more when fully loaded.
Because these rules didn’t require a business to exist for a minimum length of time or post a profit, car dealerships would help buyers spin up small businesses on the spot in order to avail themselves of the credit. SUVs flooded the market and have been a load on the national car fleet ever since.
Now we’re pivoting to electric vehicles in order to stay competitive globally, and (fossil fuel endorsed) business magazines have suddenly started poo-pooing the idea of vehicle subsidies as unnatural. Curious.
Yeah, that corporate tax credit is also why the Ford F-150 is the most commonly purchased vehicle by millionaires and billionaires. It’s the smallest vehicle able to be classified as a work truck, to qualify for tax credits. They can basically deduct the entire cost of the vehicle on their taxes, because they purchase it through a shell corporation (of which they’re the sole owner and operator.)
I answered that in the first post. Better margins on ice, thats why businesses ‘suddenly’ don’t like the current subsidies we have.
Brewster’s Millions gets more and more realistic by the day.
Donald Trump versus Elon Musk
Can anyone give a legit reason as to why EVs are bad? Because all I’ve seen is “they don’t make cool BROOM BROOM noise” and “they’re bad for the environment” which is only true because of oil and gas companies bribing governments to restrict green energy infrastructure
Can anyone give a legit reason as to why EVs are bad?
They are still cars.
Fair point
Republicans are in bed with oil industry.
theres only two temporary reasons. 1. the environmental reason is less the gas vs battery situation, but more the EVs are heavy, and the biggest pollutant are car tires. this tied with US consumer obsession of SUV sized vehicles dont help.
the other is not all places have an equivalent “gas tax” which is used for road maintainance usually for EVs since, well they dont use gas.
both fixable problems but can be considered a problem
I didnt know tires where the biggest polluters, I’m all for getting rid of cars in general but the public transit sucks which makes me think it’s just wishful thinking
Isn’t it also that sourcing the raw materials for the batteries results in a lot of pollution, and the charging is often provided by coal burning plants?
Isn’t it also that sourcing the raw materials
This also leads to a shit-ton of attendant neocolonial shitfuckery - but nobody in the US really cares about that.
I don’t even understand that particular grouping of words
Do you understand this?
No one burns coal anymore!
But seriously I saw one model by energy portfolio per US State, calculating how long you’d need to drive to make up for the additional emissions during construction
- all had a threshold where the EV came out ahead, lifetime emissions
- a couple states with cleaner power, had a threshold as low as two years typical driving, then it’s all gravy
- West Virginia and Wyoming were the worst, with high reliance on coal for power generation. The threshold was 14 years, so an EV would still come out ahead if it lasted its expected lifetime (Teslas are supposedly good for 15 years, 250k miles before replacing battery)
WV and WY are heavy red, rural, sparsely populated states, so not a good scenario for EVs anyway. But there’s also a point there about how heavily polluting they are, how the efforts if like 379M to reduce our impact on the environment are sabotaged by less than 1M owned by coal companies
That’s awesome information! Thanks for putting it all together in a comment
the tire wear thing was a very warped interpretation of a study. Tire wear emits more particulate pollution than exhaust does. Pollution from exhaust is primarily gaseous.
If my math is right, about 2.6 million tons worth of tires are sold in the US annually. While co2 emissions from vehicles amount to around 1.5 billion tons. Even completely vaporizing every tire sold in a year wouldnt come close to tailpipe emissions.
Canada thanks you for the cheap electric cars resulting from the surplus 👍
Unless you live in Alberta.
The car companies have already built the infrastructure for EV’s, this isn’t going to happen.
Petro-masculinity poster-boy
Trump wants to ban all EV sales despite what Americans want.
Biden wants to ban China EV sales despite what Americans want.
About what we can expect from this stupid fucking election.Biden wants to ban China EV sales despite what Americans want.
No. Biden wants to enact protectionist policies that increase the price of Chinese EVs. It’s true that some Dems are suggesting Chinese EVs be banned, notably Sherrod Brown. There are actually some pretty good arguments for doing so.
But I gotta be honest, if paying a bit more for a cheap ass brand new car is the worst of your concerns… well, I suggest you pay closer attention.
No. There is no reason to protect the American auto companies. They sold out 80% of Americans to a policy of profiting off of selling fewer, more expensive cars in a world that they lobbied to make cars mandatory to exist in almost all of the United States.
What about that closer attention ?
No, you’re right. The worst of my concerns is Biden’s insistence on making us complicit in a brutal genocide for a fascist foreign power.
Needlessly doubling the price of electric cars and bikes, collecting the difference as a tax on lower income Americans who would have most benefited from these much cheaper forms of personal transportation, while also posing as the environmentalist candidate, is just one example of the crock of shit we’re expected to participate in this year. Let’s just acknowledge that Biden is only here to defend and uphold billionaires, in this case, the ones who own the US car industry.
Republicans are worse in every aspect you talk about
Totally correct, and that doesn’t make Biden any better.
It doesn’t make Democrats any better than they are, but at least with Democrats you can have confidence that there will be another election in the future.
Please, free market capitalists: defend your hero.
Gotta imagine there’s a free speech absolutist who doesn’t love this
They’re not a car company anyway, they’re a “robotics and AI company”. Apparently.
I’m not sure Pelosi would call Trump her “hero”
I don’t think she is calling herself a free market capitalist.
Though I agree, she is being cheeky. This isn’t a free market, it’s the opposite of it. It is insider trading and she and no one in Congress should be allowed to do that.
Does Pelosi call herself a free market capitalist?
Did you read the article I linked?
No, because it says ‘page unavailable’ when I try.
Now please answer my question.
Not sure why you’re being so pushy?
Anyway, here’s the correct link. It should answer your question…
https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775
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That’s some pretty good bait. I would have left out the part about paying their fair share for fuel and gas infrastructure because that’s a giveaway.
The alternative to this style would be to come at it sideways as “let the free market decide, and it’ll die out because…” then list off some talking points about how much fun it is to roll coal on anyone on a bicycle.
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For anyone actually believing this, in Alberta the gas taxes go to the general fund. Vehicle registration, provincial income, and federal income taxes are where the vast majority of public infrastructure money comes from.
Plus notice how this particular troll was unsubtle about moving the goalposts from fuel infrastructure to road infrastructure.
In addition, now they’re talking about taxing them instead of outright banning them and using the weasel word “unless” while being incorrect instead of being authoritative and incorrect.
Come on, this was worse than before. 2/10. Get your shit together if you’re going to troll.
You’re leading Canada in the race to which province can demonstrate the most short-sighted stupidity, that’s for sure.
Alberta, the lowest IQ in Canada.
Go home, red deer. You’re drunk. Again.
I know it has been said, but who in the ever loving fuck can hear this and still support this dumbshit?
God, now this makes it a difficult one.
On one hand a Trump presidency is awful, on the other hand seeing Elon Musk have a mental breakdown as he can no longer sell Teslas in America is almost worth while
Eh, it will never be accomplished anyway. Trump promised so much shit that never happened. Only some of his promises to rich people came true.
According to another comment, that’s not what he actually said. Musk would still be allowed to sell his rust-mobiles.
Meanwhile Biden just implemented huge tariffs on Chinese EVs. Trump is a corrupt fuck running his mouth in hopes to get more money from donors.
Not sure what I would have done in Biden’s spot. China has a long history of ignoring patents, doing industrial espionage, and government funding an industry to corner the market on it, shutting everyone else out. We need cheap EVs, but that cost is so high.
Then WHY in the world does the US import so much from China? Seems like a pick and choose bullshit take. The US is losing against China, they’re protecting US automobile manufacturers.
Far from my area of expertise, but my guess is because people can swallow lack of forward progress way better than they swallow going backwards. The current trade with China started back under Nixon, and Americans have gotten used to so many ultra cheap Chinese goods. I try to avoid products from China, and for some things it’s really hard, and it usually means paying double the price. If we cut off that trade or raised the tarrifs a lot, the price of so many things works skyrocket and people wouldn’t stand for it.
the price of so many things works skyrocket
That’s probably all you needed to write. Keeping prices artificially low by importing so much from China is a failing of the US.
Ok. Why?
What’s this stupid crusade against electric vehicles really about?
Don’t like them, don’t buy them, free market, right?
I get that little D. Trump wants donations from the fossil fuel industry and ice car manufacturers for his campaign, but why is it that all the stubborn conservatives are all over Facebook hell-bent on shitting on every post about EVs when nobody is forcing them to drive them? What’s so scary about it? Progression? It’s going to happen and they’re going to like it.
The funny thing is that when they eventually need to buy a car, they’ll buy an EV anyway, because that makes sense when they sober up and look at what is best for themselves financially. It’s soo fucking stupid…
I have this aquintance who is into politics on the right wing who’s posting this shit all the time. However, both he and his wife drive electric cars. It’s like they just want to be hypocritical stooges hoping to outsmart everyone else, just using any excuse to shit all over the place thinking their friends will admire them or think it’s funny or something. But it’s actually sad. Who hurt them?
