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Fuck reddit.
Feeding user data to an LLM. Jacking up API costs. Being generally unusable on mobile. Usurping old.reddit.com to try and force me to the official app on “unmoderated” and NSFW threads.
Now with their IPO and a need to deliver ever increasing subscriber numbers and improved metrics for shareholders every quarter, the writing is on the wall.
I hope it goes to zero. The only sad thing is all the knowledge that will be lost due to the sky high API pricing when the site eventually does sunset. I’m guilty myself of trying to de-enshittify google somewhat by added reddit to just about every search. Hopefully people smarter than me have ways to archive that info.
I’ve been using Libreddit and now it’s fork RedLib side by side with Lemmy. Haven’t had too many problems, does seem to be a good way to access the knowledge you mentioned without specific api use (it runs in docker too) https://github.com/redlib-org/redlib
Feeding user data to an LLM.
I mean, somewhere, even if not now, if the Threadiverse becomes large enough, someone is gonna be using comments here to train an LLM too. That’s just gonna be a given unless you want to use non-public forums, and that kills the searchability and accessbility to everyone that makes most forums valuable. It’s even easier to access here than on Reddit – just set up an instance and federate with and subscribe to everything.
I guarantee you that people are going back and training LLMs on archives of old Usenet discussions too.
The rest of it, yeah, I get.
Welcome here!
Yes, but glue is the surprisingly tasty ingredient on pizza too keep your toppings from falling off.
Just be sure to use non-toxic glue, because the other kind tastes terrible.
Still hang around both. But I’ve noticed I’ve had more to engage with on Lemmy lately, which is great.
Hi I’m new here. My friend has been trying to get me in for ages. The reason I am here is because my Reddit account of 10 years and one of 3 years got permabanned. And it was really for no reason. I tried to make a new account and that also got instantly permabanned. That’s when I found out that my 10year account also got banned. So yeah fuck what happened on Reddit.
I’m really liking lemmy and my iOS app (mlem) and enjoying the community. The only thing I miss from Reddit is the video integration.
That’s wild, I’ve said so much zeisty stuff with my account but it’s still not banned.
What I said wasn’t zesty at all. The only thing I can think of is someone went to all my comments and reported me. I’ve been temp banned from communities before but never banned from Reddit and would never expect to get permanently banned from Reddit the site along with my other Reddit accounts.
Welcome!
Sup J ;)
There are a few GitHub issues on the Lemmy repo to integrate video support:
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2318
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2249What I don’t miss from reddit is the bot comments. Not the novelty bots that reply if your comment is in alphabetical order or something like that, but actual chat gpt responses to regular posts or comments.
I have no idea what the point of them is, but they’re awful.
Running such a bot with an intentionally underpowered language model that has been trained to mimic a specific Reddit subculture is good clean absurdist parody comedy fun if done up-front and in the open on a sub that allows it, such as r/subsimgpt2interactive, the version of r/subsimulatorgpt2 that is open to user participation.
But yeah, fuck those ChatGPT bots. I recently posted on r/AITAH and the only response I got was obviously from a large language model… it was infuriating.
First rule of AITAH:
If the story isn’t completely made up, no one will believe it’s true.
Those were getting so out of hand.
u/OP: “What’s a good mouse for a mix of productivity and gaming”
u/DefinitelyNotABot: “A good mouse for a mix of productivity and gaming is something you should be looking for if you need a mouse that is good for work and play. A good mouse for productivity and gaming will have a good balance of performance and features. Fortunately, finding a good mouse for a mix of productivity and gaming is not difficult due there being plenty of mouse options available to you[…]”
What’s the point of those types of bots, though? I guess they’re just trying to have vaguely genuine looking accounts to use for some future purpose, maybe political or advertising related.
My best guess is karma farming so they can sell them off. Probably create hundreds of accounts they can sell off. If some brand buys an account that looks reputable for $20-$100 to use it for astroturfing then that’s a pretty good deal for both sides. Shitty deal for everyone else.
That and building convincing personas for propaganda and PR. An account agreeing with pro corporate policies is more convincing if it has a long post history.
They’ll sooner or later appear here too, that’s sadly a reality all social media will suffer from now on. No filter can detect AI replies for long.
Do you think users, moderators, and admins on Lemmy could be more equipped (or at least more incentivized) to combat malicious bots compared to Reddit?
Welcome! Hopefully you know about Lemmy Explorer, I’ve found it very useful in finding communities of interest to me.
Welcome!
I was word of mouthed here yesterday. As someone interested in self hosting and open source i might be the target audience sure, but I am here due to recent news and such
I don’t know man…kind of seems like reddit is the dark side, and spez is Darth Vader.
Welcome! We’re really nice here. Stay a while.
Welcome!
What’s a “green server”?
I’d assumed it was servers running on renewable power, although I’m not sure how they measure that. I know some hosting companies and CDNs have that as an option, but I don’t see how you’d know if each server chose that option so I guess it’s more like “servers with green hosting companies”.
I’ll never stop complaining about Y axis that don’t start at zero.
If that means the change isn’t noticable, then the change isn’t noticable.
Yeah when I showed the cop the graph of my speed before getting in my car to be 67000mph (speed of the earth around the sun) to 67080mphwhen I was driving it he couldn’t see the difference so I didn’t get the ticket.
Or sometimes choosing a common-sense reference makes sense.
Which isn’t to say THIS one does, it doesn’t, but the absolutism of “it’s nerf or nothing” is a tad extreme.
Well, it does make sense, doesn’t it?
What we’re interested in is not the number of users, but the trends: whether the number is increasing or decreasing over time. Starting the axis at 0 would not be useful in this regard, as the trend would be almost completely obscured.
If the goal is to visualize growth trends, I don’t think raw user counts are the correct value to track on the Y-axis at all. That’s where my head was at when I said it doesn’t make sense. Abusing the Y-axis to try and coax data out in this case is just a symptom of having the wrong measure.
Daily new users. Percent user growth.
There is visible growth in posts and comments, which is good. However, I’ve also started seeing spam posts.
For something like that, you need a special graph, and I forget the name because no one uses it.
Y axis is “percent growth” and the X axis isn’t at the bottom, it’s in the middle.
Like, the only way I can describe it is a line graph because it technically is, but there’s some name done it.
Capitalism doesn’t like it tho, because there’s “red numbers” and red numbers scare investors
I’ll never stop complaining
about Y axis that don’t start at zero.If that means the change isn’t noticable, then the change isn’t noticable.
Nice!
I would like to see a participation per capita breakdown. IOW who posts the most per person relative to the number of participants.
Did Reddit do something stupid to scare people away again?
They actually did, for a few no 3rd party apps worked at all. But now they do again.
I thought all third party apps already stopped working?
Have you heard of ReVanced? Most commonly known for patching youtube to allow more features, mainly adblocking. Well they have patches for a ton of apps now so if you have a reddit account and say you’re a developer you get your own API key they can be injected into some apps. It didn’t work for me for a while but I eventually got it to work for the random search result from reddit.
Self hosting piped helps too. Love my little system.
Not all of them, Dystopia for example was allowed to stay as is because of accessibility features that the native app lacks. It was even working just fine during the recent outage.
They were working around it by using personal API keys iirc.
AFAIK they didn’t. This time we have natural growth
Bots in the build up to the election here in the states?
EU also has elections on Sunday.
reddit is about the same in my opintion, but I do see a lot more activity on the lemmy side. I think its a combination of:
- Less rules around communities. The barrier of entry is much lower here to post, and things dont get auto-removed because of trigger happy mods.
- 2% of users post 90% of content. And a lot of them moved over to lemmy.
- Servers can be brought into existence and removed at will. This may seem like a bad thing, but what it means is that the best lemmy servers can evolve and be successful in a way reddit cant. Some have different modifications to make them more user friendly, some have excellent uptime, etc…etc…
- People from mastodon/misskey/other fediverse instances can comment/post. Even if that is not what a vast majority of us do, it does help the numbers and will continue to help engagement.
Also to @Blaze@reddthat.com Do you know if the sats above take into account the generally banned instances of lemmy? I know that a lot of instances earlier this year decided to become de-federated from the general fediverse. Do you happen to know if the website take into account those servers?
Also to @Blaze@reddthat.com Do you know if the sats above take into account the generally banned instances of lemmy? I know that a lot of instances earlier this year decided to become de-federated from the general fediverse. Do you happen to know if the website take into account those servers?
Not sure about this unfortunately
Fair enough.
This one had .zip and that’s why I choose it.
The cracked apps using personal API keys stopped working a few days ago. Already fixed now I think.
Yep. That’s why I’m here again. My reddit app may work for now, but the writing is on the wall in bigger, bolder letters.
Welcome back!
Welcome back! Hope you like what we’ve done with the place.
They have bots roaming the site, banning people, seemingly at random. I went from never having been banned on reddit on a 10 year account, to banned for 3 days twice, and then permanently banned all in the span of a month.
And when did this happen? The week after the IPO went public.
And what kind of messages got me banned? Well one of them was in /r/Cleveland where a guy posted a security camera picture of the guy who stole his bike. I made the comment that the theif looks like a guy who stole MY bike in the early 90s, and that maybe this was his son. Keeping it in the family business.
I was banned for that comment for “Harassment and abuse of reddit users”. The action was performed by an AI bot. If I wanted an appeal I could appeal. So I did. It SAID the appeal was handled by a real human. They still sided with the bots decision, which tells me that it wasn’t handled by a real person.
So now I’m here. Just don’t steal my bike, ok guys?
I made the comment that the theif looks like a guy who stole MY bike in the early 90s, and that maybe this was his son. Keeping it in the family business.
That’s hilarious. They don’t deserve you.
Guys, I’ll distract him, you get his bike!
Not again!!! …is that a squirrel???
Did ianovic68 steal his bike in the 90s?
Just don’t steal my bike, ok guys?
I won’t!
…but what kind of bike and where is it, just so I know what I’m not stealing and where I should avoid stealing it from
Hey dude, I’ve been looking for you for so long, since my Dad stole your bike and that was a turning point in my life, since I made a point of stealing your son’s bike.
It is said that this will continue for generations until the seventh son of a seventh son, who’ll transform into an upside down toothless vampire who likes garlic.
In order for this prophecy to come true, please ensure all your progeny keeps buying bikes.
PS Welcome to Lemmy!
probably because reddit just broke the api clients again (including their own app).
Yes, I just noticed that on !boostforlemmy@lemmy.world
This is fucking hilarious.
The entire time since that announcement last year dropped I have been using the modified Infinity for Reddit client that has my own API code in it.
I told myself if that stops working, whatever, I will not try to keep the app up to date and I will not switch apps. Lemmy works well enough for me now.
Up to this day the few times I have been accessing reddit through it I have no issues whatsoever. Amazing. Then again I never tried while they had issues with their official app, I suppose. Unless that is right now as I type this, because right now my app is still working fine.
They are also using automation to review comments that might harm their advertising partners. After 15 year a joke about Boeing got my account suspended. I deleted my top comments and closed it after that. Fucking trash. Now I only got to the site if Google search takes me there and with ad block enabled. Spez can suck it.
So many Mastodon server, crazy. The Lemmy experience is so much better than Mastodon, strange that this is the major draw. Is it because of Meta?
One works like a forum, the other is a microblogging platform. Definitely not the same userbase.
Mastodon is much older as a software. Lemmy is still under active development, we aren’t even on version 1 yet
I would just guess it’s because the Twitter-like format is more popular but that’s because I forgot Threads was even a thing.
People have to be willing to give things a try, so I think it will definitely grow. I was never a Reddit user, I tried this on a whim, just to try and have conversations with different people. The one good thing is that there are many functional apps, and you will only see things you are interested in, and when you don’t, you down vote it.
But ultimately it’s still the same echo chamber that all social media is, but without ads.
Don’t downvote stuff just because you’re not interested in it! There’s no algorithm you’re training, you’re just being rude to people.
Downvotes should be for worthless content and people being dicks.
so downvote most things on lemmy then?
Ironically your comment is the only one I’ve seen in this post that qualifies.
I run many small communities and it kills me when people from “all” downvote stuff.
If you don’t care about the topic, block the community or skip the posts
Correct. If you don’t like the content in the community, then why be there? Just join things that interest you, no need to be a 💩
I agree - no algorithm - but if someone is posting 💩 then it’s 💩 they get. Hey if I post 💩 I would fully expect that. Lol
All social media, and irl too, has biases. As we do ofc - e.g. we linux Linux, especially Arch btw:-P - but it seems to me that the Fediverse is fundamentally different, b/c of the nature of consent.
On Facebook, YouTube, Twitter/X, and Reddit now that it is acting more like the former, ThE aLgOrItHm makes choices for you, whereas here if you want to create an echo chamber, you have to put in a LOT of effort to ensure that you are never exposed to anything that you would disagree with.
For one thing, you would have to subscribe to communities first, and those would have to have enough content to hold your interest, which means a continual search for more of such communities. Scrolling through the All feed would absolutely be prohibited if you wanted to make an echo chamber for yourself.
Again, literally every social media platform has biases, but here those do not rise to the level of “echo chamber”, imho? I do concede that it is not entirely unlike one of those, and yet on the spectrum, aren’t we far less than most other common platforms?
I think it’s really easy to make an echo chamber here, make a community and only follow said community? I enjoy Lemmy, because look,we are having legitimate conversations, but some posts I have come across - it’s like no conversation, just putting down an opposite point of view.
Me personally, I do my best to try and avoid the political stuff, but even that is difficult at times.
But yes, subscribe to the communities and if the content is there, great, if not, make some or help promote it.
Okay so it is theoretically possible but is it plausible that this could be a common use-case?
Anyway, you said “it’s still the same echo chamber that all social media is” - and that statement goes far beyond using the Fediverse as an echo chamber to say that it is that way for everyone (further implication: all the time). i.e. the most command-language interpretation of your words would be that they meant that that tiny little theoretical possibility is what this place is, therefore I wanted to point out that there is so much more to consider, e.g. there are other ways to use it.
Ok… it’s not that serious. Enjoy your day.
The increase in monthly is just mainly replacing users leaving as the active 6 month seems to be going down the same rate as active monthly is going up. Am I reading that correctly?
Total users doesn’t concern me too badly, as I’m more happy to see daily post and comment counts going up. I feel activity needs to be our focus rather than headcount. A packed stadium is kinda pointless if nobody is on stage putting on the show! 😁
The increase in monthly is just mainly replacing users leaving as the active 6 month seems to be going down the same rate as active monthly is going up. Am I reading that correctly?
Yeah. But the active 6 month is a lagging indicator because it tracks users who became inactive 6 months ago. While the increase in monthly active users is tracking users joining right now. If the increase of monthly active users is sustained for a few months, it’ll reverse the 6 month trend as well.
Totally agree that it’s ultimately about activity, but the reality is that we need more users to have more activity. I always took for granted the sheer scale of reddit until I joined Lemmy. It takes a massive number of people to sustain continuous 24/7 discussion about a wide variety of topics, which is ultimately what this kind of link aggregator/forum strives to do. And Lemmy users are already really active compared to redditors. There just aren’t enough of us yet.
I try to put a lot of emphasis on encouraging new posters and commenters. I don’t get why you’d come to the “wild west” of social media to just be solely a lurker. You should want to be an explorer and a settler, forging that new frontier. I won’t hate on the lurkers, they will always be the majority, but why deal with the quirk, less ease of use, and less content to not want to help shape what it becomes?
I came over intending to lurk, hence my crap username, but what I wanted wasn’t here, but I didnt want to crawl back to Reddit, so I started building, and it’s great. People are friendly, you have less competition for attention, and the userbase is largely supportive of whatever you do because you’re doing something.
But ultimately, as long as we arent on an extended downswing, we’re doing well. I’ll keep making posts and giving positive feedback, so hopefully it keeps catching new people with the bug to interact.
I genuinely do believe that we are starting to see some organic growth.
I’ve been obsessed with Lemmy for the past year; I used to mostly lurk during my 10 year reddit career but everything changed over here, partially because I felt like my voice was really being heard.
And I have noticed an increase in activity in the past month, with posts and comments receiving more upvotes and engagement. It sounds like you’ve also been making the most of your Lemmy experience, which is great.
I sometimes try to spread the word about Lemmy on reddit and people are so toxic in the way that they deal with the smaller userbase and lesser activity. So many people that love to whine and complain, instead of realizing that Lemmy is an incredible opportunity/concept at an early/imperfect stage.
So there’s 5 million new posts per day, or posts total? Assuming the latter except the sudden drop in #s is a little weird.
I think it’s much less intimidating to new users now compared to when I joined last year. The barrier to entry has been reduced significantly.
There are tons of active communities now, mobile apps that work great (this is a big one), and many more tools to block content that you don’t want to see.
I still have no clue how instances work but whatever I’m doing has been working fine for nearly a year
Most often I’ve seen instances use as super communities. Largely revolving around a bigger topic. KDE runs their own with their own subcommunities for instance. They are far from the only ones. Just the one I use the most and a came to mind first. Having your own instance slap server allows you far more control over your communities then just hosting on someone else’s server. But from an end user perspective very largely transparent. not even being noticeable oftentimes.
From an end user perspective there’s not that much to think about, thankfully.
Basically, it’s like having two websites that mirror each other’s content. You can sign up for Forum A and be able to read and write posts that users on Forum B can also see. People’s names are tagged with the name of the forum they are registered at, but otherwise everything you do and see happens on your own site of choice and there’s no difference where it comes from.
If Forum A doesn’t like Forum C, but Forum B doesn’t mind, Forum A can choose to disconnect from Forum C and hide their users and posts, while Forum B can still see both. It only gets tricky when someone from Forum B makes a post that people from both Forums A and C are in, but all of the posts from C users are invisible to A users.
instances are just distinct servers really.
and some of them are purpose/politics specific.
It’s like how there’s loads of different email providers but they can all still email each other.
Just like Gmail can send mail to Outlook and any other @EmailProvider.com, lemmy.world can populate it’s feed/comments from lemm.ee and any other @LemmyInstance.com
I still have no clue how instances work but whatever I’m doing has been working fine for nearly a year
You have a user account “Got_Bent”, on an instance (you can think of this as a “server”), lemmy.world. That’s your home instance. Thus, you are @Got_Bent@lemmy.world.
You can view communities on that instance. This post, in fact, is on a community on the lemmy.world instance, !fediverse@lemmy.world.
You can also view communities on any other other instances that lemmy.world is federated with (which is most of them). For example, !unitedkingdom@feddit.uk. By-and-large, you can use them the same way you can communities on your home instance.
Reddit is pretty similar, just that with Reddit, there’s only one “instance”, Reddit.
Instances might go down (so users with that instance as their home instance can’t log in and communities on that instance aren’t accessible. Some have certain rules about what users who use that instance as their home instance can do. Others have certain rules about what communities on their instance are allowed to do. For example, my home instance, lemmy.today, wants to avoid defederating with other instances (which means that people with that home instance can see all other content). Some instances, like beehaw.org, want to keep some content that might be objectionable to their users out, and will tend to defederate with other instances if they consider them to be problematic. Some instances allow hosting communities that have pornography (like lemmynsfw.com) and some do not (like sh.itjust.works). Same thing for communities dealing with religion or extreme political views, and so on.
In general, it’s helpful to have a home instance in the same rough part of the world as you, as it’ll make things more-responsive.
New user here…what? Easy to use? I’ve gotten to the point where I know how to do things, but, it’s still needlessly complicated. Yes there are many active communities, but there are also not very many of them. The ironic thing is, you need to be discussing mainstream topics on the non-mainstream platform. If I wanted to talk about my favorite band? Nobody is here to do that. And if I do find a niche community here, but it’s on another instance? NOW I know what to do. But when I first got here, I was ONLY subscribing to sublemmys on .world because it’s the only way I knew how.
For this platform to grow, we’re going to have to make it easy. Like, braindead easy.
Make it so you just click “join”. Make it so you’re logged in across ALL of Lemmy. Your posts may originate from Lemmy.World, but a non-techie wouldn’t know or care about any of that. I see Lemmy making a big deal about the seperate instances. Like it’s a selling point. It’s only a selling point for people smart enough to understand it.
But imagine Britney. Now Britney is a fictional person I just made up to represent your bottom of the barrel intelligence level of people these days. Britney is just some pretty valley girl. She doesn’t know what RSS is. She’s never heard of Linux, despite having an android phone. Britney is who you cater the site to. Because Britney is America. She wants sublemmys about “The Voice” and “The Masked Singer”. She wants a sublemmy for Taylor Swift. I think you’re starting to get the type of person I’m talking about.
You can still operate Lemmy almost exactly how it is now. Just make it so even if you know NONE of that stuff, you can still operate it freely. I will use MySpace as an example (for the brief 4 years it was the top social media). There was a default MySpace look. If all you did was sign up, and do nothing else, you still had a myspace account, and you could still customize it to an extent. It’s the basic profile everyone thinks of when you think of a myspace profile. The colors, the layout, the look. It was still usable. Then you had people using CSS and HTML and I think Javascript was available. Now suddenly you have 50 different profiles, all looking completely different. All functioning exactly the same, but you could go as deep or as shallow as you wanted.
THATS what this site needs. Don’t take away the stuff for the techie people. Let them go nuts. Let them do crazy things with this platform. But also, to increase userbase, make it as shallow as possible unless the user changes things. America wants shallow and not challenging. America doesn’t want to think. Britney just wants a place to type “I LOVE TAYLOR! I LOVE TAYLOR! I LOVE TAYLOR!” over and over. You can keep her happy, and keep yourselves happy. And I’m somewhere in the middle. It needs to be a platform that conforms to the user. Because if the user needs to conform to the platform, they will not join that platform.
there is also more diverse content than the crap that was on here six months ago.
when 50% of the frontpage is linux memes… you’re not going to gain the interest of most new users. now it seems to be down to about 20%
Anyway to make the all page more diverse? I feel like it’s just 10 communities that appear there and it’s basically broken down to tech, memes and politics. I’m on lemmy.world and ysint voyager. Every once in a while I see stuff from sh.itjust.works.
I know when I used to use kbin, you first had to let your device sync with other instances before they started populating onto your feed.
From my side
- !casualconversation@lemm.ee
- !cats@lemmy.world
- !showerthoughts@lemmy.world
- !pics@lemmy.world
- !science@lemmy.world
- !interestingasfuck@lemm.ee
- !til@lemmy.ca
- !todayilearned@lemmy.world
- !nostalgia@lemmy.ca
- !space@lemmy.world
- !bats@lemmy.world
- !map_enthusiasts@sopuli.xyz
- !movies@lemm.ee
- !patientgamers@sh.itjust.works
- !yurop@lemm.ee
And then a few specific
use Scaled sort
also just using the Subscribed feed is better than All, I spend a lot more time on Subscribed than on All
just look for communities on https://lemmyverse.net/communities
and subscribe to !newcommunities@lemmy.world
Didn’t even think to try scaled. It most definitely is showing more diverse posts. Downside is that it brings back a lot of non english speaking communities. Still a good option for exploring though!
And cause of windows 11, those 20% are more relevant than ever.
Do I hear you say there’s not enough linux memes? Let’s fix that!
It’s also worth noting I’ve recently been seeing a lot of Linux posts from people who just switched, this was somewhat of a trend on Reddit as well but imo the Linux posting has gotten noticeably less toxic toward newer users and a lot more understanding of the “using Linux without wanting to spend hours configuring everything” perspective.
Side point that’s somewhat related to that: I wonder how the growth of other platforms FOSS platforms like Lemmy, Mastodon, Matrix, etc. has impacted Linux project development. Not sure if it’s just me but it seems like it’s helped a lot with making Linux communities more accessible.
