How to explain drag to a child: “Some men like to dress up like pretty ladies and perform songs.”
Gosh, that was so hard.
But but but I need them to understand why it makes me feel strange things and that’s why they’re going to HELL
My thoughts exactly. They just don’t know how to explain it without getting a raging erection and then going through the masturbation/shame cycle 5 times a day for the next two weeks.
If you don’t teach your children that there are only two genders and that only heterosexuality is ok then you don’t have to explain it to them at all. Our children were exposed to our lesbian friends including a lesbian couple and our gay friends including a gay couple from the days they were born. They met one of my trans friends when they were very young. If you don’t teach children to hate then they won’t hate. If you’re struggle with how to speak to your children about these things then you’ve already failed them and the future.
There have always been gays and trans people. There will always be gays and trans people. Get the fuck over youselves.
Interestingly how my dad taught me was by not talking about it. He didn’t talk about race, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, nothing. I watched him interact with all walks of life and watched him treat everyone with the same basic level of respect. Now that I’m older I treat it just like my dad taught it, everyone is a person and unless shown otherwise deserves basic respect.
Exactly. We did the same thing with our kids. They saw us interacting with a wide range of people. When our son came home from a friend’s house and said, “Mommy, what she’s the word nr mean? What does the word ft mean?” we had a conversation about loaded words and how we don’t use them. I’ve been working to eliminate gendered insults like bch and py from my speech. My son called a friend a b*ch while gaming today and I told him not to use gendered insults and explained why. We teach our kids how to deal with people. If you teach them right they will be good human beings.
“Call him a fucking Asshat if you must.”
Sorry, I know you didn’t mean it like that, but I had to chuckle because the “No gendered insults” kinda sounds like everything else is fair play.
That’s basically what I said.
Even better!
to be fair, some people deserve to be called assholes
Okay but why do we need to bring kids into this. It’s bad enough they have to practice for an active shooter scenario
We better not teach our children to tolerate those different from them. Who knows what sort of peaceful world that might lead to?
Into what?
Nobody is trying to “bring kids into” anything.
We are trying to let people be who they are as long as they don’t hurt anyone. Unfortunately the subset of the population attacking LGBTQ, abortions, and supporting continued prevalence of firearms are actively and deliberately supporting harm.
There are gay people. You just have to get used to that idea. There have always been gay people and there will always be gay people. There have always been trans people and there will always be trans people. In fact, there are more LGBTQ… people out there than there are natural blondes, natural redheads, and people with blue eyes. The existance of gay and trans and every other thing is normal (if you believe that being blonde, red haired, or blue eyed is normal.) So, stop teaching your children to fear, to hate, and to hate themselves if they aren’t what you’ve told them is ok and you won’t have this problem.
I was recently at an event with enough, drag, trans, and gender fluid people that the “he/she/they” thing became a legitimate thing of note.
My young daughter was completely unfazed by it.
Children are often a mirror showing us how we appear to the world. It can be unnerving seeing your negative characteristics reflected back at you. However, if you’re caring and accepting, they will pick that up and express it themselves.
Sometimes little chonco. Grown ups wear dresses. It is for fun.
They’re not “playing” dress-up. They think their wishes define reality and that’s an idea most people grow out of at an early age.
While you are attempting to be transphobic ass here I must point out that you are also factually incorrect for other unrelated reasons. This post was talking about drag. Drag performers don’t identify as the gender they are performing as. They aren’t trans. They are literally dressing up for the fun of it and performing dance, comedy or choreographed musical numbers for a crowd.
Not only are you choosing to be an asshole, but you’re still doing it wrong
I have the greatest friend whom I ADORE who is a gay guy whose family is religious. I asked him how he got along with his mom, and he said he loves her very much and they have great laughs together, but she also tells him that gay people are going to hell on a routine basis. He and I agreed that I would be his adopted mom going forward and that he didn’t need to ever feel like she was right for one moment.
Imagine saying something like this to your own kid. Imagine letting your religion be more important than your relationship with your kid. Whatever you might feel about your faith, you should have the brains God gave you that tell you you can’t change anybody and that you should love them as is, and keep your damn delusions to yourself at very least. Why would you ruin your relationship with your beloved child over them loving someone?
I grew up with a gay sibling in totally the opposite environment yet in the end just as toxic; we were raised to be extremely progressive, accept LGBT people as is and love them (and I am 50 so the fact we even discussed trans people back then is nothing short of miraculous because it was so taboo), and despite being Catholic we were also super pro choice. Yet my mother literally became psychotic because of my brother being gay, despite family members kindly and gently telling her all along to accept it, when it came to HER child it was unacceptable because she thought it reflected badly on her, and she was so obsessed with us being perfect that she did everything she could to force him to conceal it, including making him bring a beard to my wedding. Finally he grew a bit of a spine and got into a relationship with a guy, and despite her histrionics has continued. Now she’s obsessed with trying to make them get married, because she wants her friends to give them gifts to pay her back for all the wedding gifts she has given.
Not to trauma dump, but just wanted to point out that it can be difficult even for supposedly accepting families to really honestly support their LGBT children.
Anyway, do your part for LGBT folks. I myself just joined Stand In Pride, which is an organization where allies befriend LGBT people whose family has rejected them, and are available to be chosen family for weddings or whatever. Go to Pride, give out free mom hugs, step in as chosen family for them, whatever you can do. This world is really terrible to gay people no matter what progress we’ve made.
If, according to their own rules, that god created everything, it created LGTB+ people too. Are they saying their perfect imaginary being made a mistake? And if “it’s the devil’s work”, is it so weak that it can’t prevent it?
Also, according to their rules, “love one another” is the single most important one. “Don’t be gay” is in an ancient book that also includes “woman in their period must sleep in a separate tent”, but we don’t see them applying that one, do we?
So going by what’s actually in the bible, hating gays is a bigger sin than being gay. Who’s going to hell now?
It’s so stupid. A local church which was kind of a hip young church recently announced they were not LGBT affirming and were really nasty about it, and like two thirds of their congregation left as a result. Even modern Christians don’t approve of this anymore.
Ehhh, that greatly depends on the church. There are still a lot of churches out there that are totally on board with hating anyone who isn’t perfectly straight. You know, that kind of hate that Jesus preached about all the time! People wouldn’t have as many issues with Christians if they actually followed Jesus’s teachings, but here we are.
Well some of them definitely aren’t. My friend I mentioned and I go to a very affirming church and he is beloved as well as our other gay and trans congregation. Nobody would dream of being anything else.
Are they saying their perfect imaginary being made a mistake? And if “it’s the devil’s work”, is it so weak that it can’t prevent it?
The usual answer to this is that God gave man free will, and he can use that free will to act against God (or else the garden of Eden myth would be impossible) and if you choose to be gay, that’s on you. That being LGBTQ+ is a choice is pretty fundamental to it, and also why they tend to believe in things like conversion therapy - if it’s a choice, you can be taught to choose differently.
things like conversion therapy - if it’s a choice, you can be taught to choose differently.
Oh, fuck!
I mixed that term up with “gender-affirming care”.That explains the negativity around “conversion therapy” xD
“When did you choose to be heterosexual? And can you be gay for a week?” 🤷♂️
I noticed something similar with my in-laws, as far as ruining your family relationship by not accepting people. The grandma goes on rants to her daughter about anti-trans and the pronoun (they/them). She has so much energy for this hate she preaches to her daughters (she has 2) all the time they talk. Always grabbing those talking points.
One daughter has 4 kids and they are all under 18. Some of them experimented with gender fluid stuff. I’m not well versed enough to explain. I know one goes by they/them and the grandmother won’t make an effort, or when she messes up the gender she makes a big scene of “I’m old, it wasn’t like this. Blah blah.”
The really weird thing is after all this hate and after the grandma started putting up walls to her grandchildren (because of the hate she preaches about their siblings). Now she complains that no one wants to talk to her or hang out with her when she visits. Does she not know she was talking about her family during those rants?
She got hooked on some alt right news bs. Started saying she was a tradwife, making butter, and looking for raw milk. Idk what happened, especially since I saw her when she was “strong woman” and gay friendly when she was raising her kids.
That’s so sad. Facebook and the like are the devil for creating those echo chambers.
Imagine hurting someone for living their life. How do they lives with themselves?
It’s weird watching people drop down those rabbit holes in real time.
Like they have to be all in on the crazy in order to be accepted by a new group that doesn’t even care if they exist.
“Oh, this site said something I agreed with about Covid, maybe white people really are genetically superior…”
Before you know it, they’re posting Facebook articles from sites only one step removed from Stormfront.
I don’t know the Lemmy equivalent, but /r/raisedbynarcissists…
Your mom sounds like something the experts refer to as a “Cunt”
i wonder how much of the pro-LGBT stuff was just badges she could pin on her chest for clout, instead of actual belief.
She has BPD so yes. And no I think she genuinely believes it, I really do, just not for her child. She’s not one to fake that to her small credit
That’s how it was explained to me as a kid. But it was also made clear how it plays a pivotal role in aviation. Unfortunately it did have lifelong damage done to my sister, she grew up to be an aerospace engineer
I dream of a drag free* future for aviation! My rocket planes are very good at doing up and almost always come back down. I’m pretty much done, the problem area is just such a short moment in time between getting down all the way and coming to a safe stop. And the ones that don’t come back down.
- The drag is still there a lot of the time, but the aviation no longer depends on it.
Being able to explain things in life to your child is basic parenting.
You don’t have to explain it if you haven’t taught them to hate from an early age.
even if you can’t you can say it, like:
- I don’t know
- don’t worry about it
- I’ll explain when you’re a little older
but in reality “how will i explain to my kids” has never been a genuine question. you can say “some people do that” and that is all the explanation needed. no, this is just code for “i don’t want to see this myself, and I’m using my children as an excuse”.
I’ve found with my kids “I don’t really know, how about we look it up together” is very effective.
it is, and I’ve even learned some things because of it. I’m just saying if you’re really trying to avoid the issue you can just do it, it’s not like you’re giving a testimony.
It’s also code for “I really hate myself for who I am on the inside, and seeing other people be their authentic selves makes me sad, angry, and confused. If my kids learned that it was OK to be themselves, I would lose my shit. They must suffer as I have suffered.”
Usually the issue is LGBTphobic parents convinced themselves anything remotely LGBTQIA is sexual in nature, and they must protect their kids, that if they actually believe it, and not just either “noble lying” (seen some christian fundamentalists admitting “it’s not actually harmful, but what if it’ll be too late for heaven?”), or just doing it for cruelty reasons (bigots, just like bullies, like to paint their targets as people deserving of the bad treatment).
And this also has a hidden assumption that talking to your kids about anything sexual isn’t good. That mindset can lead to teenage pregnancy because, like it or not, our bodies are wired to make sexuality easily discoverable, even if society wasn’t full of it (and it would still be full of it even if lgbt-ness could be dialed to 0).
On another note, wanting to suppress sexuality so that women have fewer options and might be more likely to choose those suppressing it is such a pathetic mindset.
I was first introduced to drag in my childhood through cpl Klinger on MASH. I never really had a conversation about it with my family, but Klinger was always one of my favorite characters on the show and imo had the strongest character arc of all of the cast that lasted the entire run.
Just say its the force of air hitting the object as it moves, and since it hits in the opposite direction, it slows down the object. What RU talking abt in the second paragraph it has norelation to drag
Do cartoons not regularly have characters in drag like they did when I was growing up? 🤔
Bugs Bunny would make himself up like a woman to confuse Yosemite Sam and Elmer Fudd all the time.
Women were literally banned from performing on Elizabethan stage. All of Shakespeare’s parts were played by men. Even Juliet. By law.
Drag wasn’t just normal for Shakespeare, it was the only option. And yet he wrote something considered one of the all-time greatest romances.
Which is kinda funny because morally, I see more of an issue with doing it specifically to deceive someone as opposed to doing it because you want to.
Though that is also where at least some of the discomfort about drag (and trans) comes from. The perception of deception, specifically when combined with a moment of potential interest, followed by the repulsion once they realize they are checking out someone of a gender they aren’t interested in (where the gender they are interested in might include cis). It sucks that some turn to anger and hate in that moment when it’s really a nothing burger moment.
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Not to let reality get in the way of a good joke, but more than likley the sort who has this opinion, either does not send their child to school, or also has a problem with schools.
I love the way you opened with “not to let reality get in the way of a good joke” and then proceeded to make up your own version of reality that you liked better than the one being presented to you.
Not really a reality I prefer, just felt that the assumption that the hypothetical individual would care about school shooter drills is less likely than the target audience of the joke would assume.
Of you don’t teach them that its shameful to stray outside your assigned gender norms in the first place, you have no trouble explaining people wearing people’s clothes.
MFer you explained to your children that an obese elderly man invaded your house to give them a PS5 and flew away on a magical sleigh.
Or that an independently wealthy fairy sneaks into their room while they sleep because she has a thing for teeth.
Children’s teeth. I got an $800 bill for pulling one of my adult teeth. But it was way cheaper than the $3k for a root canal.
Maybe that’s where she gets her money.
The fae don’t charge and you should not trust them on that basis
It’s never been about the “children”.
