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You know what my main problem with Joe Biden is? I’m 37, he’s what? 79? I’ve been a citizen of the United States longer than he has. He’s spent the last three generations in either congress or the white house, and the people who do that don’t live in the same reality as the rest of us. Too many of the laws outright don’t apply to them, either because there are literal exceptions or “we don’t enforce that on them.” Joe Biden doesn’t know the first fucking thing about being an American because he hasn’t ever actually done it.
Joe Biden doesn’t know the first fucking thing about being an American because he hasn’t ever actually done it.
His family struggled a lot when he grew up in a blue collar town, moved so his dad could find steady work, but still were definitely middle class. Then he worked his way through college and law school.
We can say his decades in Congress and the presidency have corrupted him, but the idea that he hasn’t ever actually been “a real American” (the way you are using it) is an outright lie.
You know who hasn’t? The billionaire who was born with a silver spoon in their mouth, schooled with other wealthy people in NYC, then was gifted a huge amount of to start, and then spent their entire career screwing the blue collar worker to line his own pockets.
If Biden has never been a “real American,” then how do we describe Trump’s lack of real Americaness?
“You think Hitler’s bad, what do you call Satan?!?! Checkmate!”
Yes, that was clearly my argument. Good reading comprehension there and not some mindless kneejerk “muh both sides” response.
lmao his family “suffered” because his father was a fraudster that tried to get rich on scamming the US government during the war. The stories about his blue-collar roots are as real as Kim Jong Un inventing pizza.
Holy shit the propaganda is real.
And I’m going to listen to your baseless accusation and ignore Bernie Sander’s crystal clarity? lmfao.
Bernie Sanders: Trump is the most corrupt president in our lifetimes
You know what my main problem with Joe Biden is?
He’s not Putin’s choice? He gave billionaires a tax increase instead of tax cut?
Joe Biden doesn’t know the first fucking thing about being an American because he hasn’t ever actually done it.
You mean despite being the only US Senator who rode the bus to work every day?
Joe Biden knows way more about being an American than you seem to.
[Remarks by President Biden on Democracy and Freedom | Normandy, France]
Too many of the laws outright don’t apply to them
Which specific law does not apply to Joe Biden? You simply made that up. His son was just found guilty on a charge that almost no other person in America would even be charged with.
Thanks Democrats. Hopefully you risking everything to stroke this dudes ego doesn’t give the Republicans control forever. Exact same shit as 2016. I have no choice but to vote for Biden. I wonder whom the democratic party will pick next, probably Mayor Pete, and it’ll then be another vote for Pete to save democracy.
this is every election since ive been old enough to vote in them
“A majority of voters backing Biden are mostly motivated by the greatest threat America and the western world has ever faced.”
Goddamn right…I’m got down with the dumbass ship in Florida but I’m cancelling out one vote for the end of America…
I’m okay with that.
Anything but trump. Next term I do expect Biden to really kick around hard as hell gave nothing to lose, kick Israeli govt to the curb, kick the right-wing extremist religious out of the government, that sort of thing
Biden has done so much fucking shit for the average american (which is saying something thanks to the Do Nothing fascists)
First US president to join the union workers ON THE PICKET LINE In many ways we have handled this world-wide inflation shit better than any other in the G7 nations Unemployment numbers are at record lows, .01 lower than any other time in the past 10 years at one point in january and april of last year and since then has only risen around 0.3-4 points, removed healthcare related debt from credit scores
I could go on and on, but instead, others have already done so for me (and these aren’t even super recent):
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-opinion-biden-accomplishment-data/
Him joining a picket line for a photo op is kinda cancelled out by him signing that bill that blocked the rail workers from striking.
Cancelled out? I remember when I was 14 and everything seemed simple.
Biden is fucking awesome. The more progressive president since LBJ if not FDR.
No kidding? Lol
Biden is not my favorite, but it’s that or fascism.
Only the best current reason. When frump is out of the picture for good we can focus on other things
You think it will be any better then?
Cant say. Nobody can read the future for good or bad. I just prefer to be optimistic rather than not. All i can say is that the current choices are all there is and, as always, the lesser of two evils is what we have to work with
Also it is no reflection at all on Biden that he happens to be running against the person whom historians have ranked as the worst president in American history. Biden is ranks as 14th best president out of 46.
https://www.axios.com/2024/02/19/presidents-survey-trump-ranks-last-biden-14th
I wish I believed that. There will always be some new threat. There will always be some dire threat keeping us voting for second worst instead of ever expecting better.
Biden is not 2nd worst. Out of the 4-5 candidates running Biden is by far the best.
His pro-genocide cult is fond of saying that there are only two choices when they’re browbeating anyone who is upset with him for any reason.
But no. He’s still second worst. And his recent adoption of Trump’s immigration policies has narrowed the gap.
You support a regressive Libertarian candidate over the most progressive candidate since FDR. Got it.
the most progressive candidate since FDR
by what standard?!
dude literally voted against gay marriage; gays in the military; permanent student loans; advocated against gays in federal service; racial integration; sexual harassment claims; blocked access to non-american social media platform; and blocked americans from affordable electric vehicles.
was it the one law that passed decades after it was no longer an issue and, not only did nothing, but gave bigots legal protection for their bigotry?
I do not. I’m voting for Biden. But as Biden’s pro-genocide cult is so delighted to gloat, a vote for any other option is a vote for Trump. Since all other candidates are functionally Trump, Biden is second worst. And he’s moving to the right on immigration to be more like Trump.
But hey, go ahead and make assumptions based on things you prefer to think instead of what I’ve actually written.
the most progressive candidate since FDR
This is horseshit. No one buys it.
Im not American but doesnt everyone usually vote to keep the worst out not the best one in?
I used to mainly vote third party as a protest vote for both sides to do better. Didn’t matter the party, really.
I voted for Obama out of genuinely wanting him in office. I thought he was decent overall but he did disappoint me.
I voted for Biden purely to keep Trump out of office. Even so, I think Biden has largely been a better President than Obama was, though the Gaza/Israel thing is really testing that. I would love to have a more progressive choice, but any time I am disappointed in Biden, I just remind myself the alternative and I would crawl across a mile of broken glass to vote for him.
So I would anecdotally say this election is outside the norm.
So I would anecdotally say this election is outside the norm.
as will be the next, and the one after that, as well as all of the ones following; meanwhile you’ll continue crawling over broken glass and giving a pass to ongoing genocides because you believe it’s better than the alternative somehow without realizing there’s one alternative.
no one knows the right answer, but there are plenty of wrong answers and 2 of those have been placed before and you’re told that you must select one.
Told? It’s just math. If you want to change things, you have to either do it from within an existing party or wait for an existing party to implode and then maybe there is an opportunity for change.
I’m fifty. I spent a lot of fucking elections wasting my vote on third parties, thinking I was sending some kind of message or making things better, but here we are. I wasted every single vote prior to 2008. Would anything be different if I hadn’t? No. Would anything be different if a bunch of people hadn’t? I don’t know. Maybe.
as i said before: no one knows the right answer, but there are plenty of wrong answers, we know they’re wrong because we’ve tried them and things don’t get better (and we sometimes try it again with the same results); we’re only allowed to pick from among those wrong answers only.
trying anything otherwise might also be a wrong answer; but we will never know because there are plenty who will shame you if don’t pick the same wrong answer they do.
So I would anecdotally say this election is outside the norm.
If you mean “unique in 240 years of American history” I agree.
So I would anecdotally say this election is outside the norm.
I worry that it’s the new baseline.
New baseline?! I have often gotten the feeling that you are an adolescent. It would explain so many of the shitty hot takes and bad ideas. But this really kind of solidifies it. Being young is not an insult however. We all were at one point in time. And we all matured and grew up.
This is so not a new thing though. Trump is literally Reagan part 2. And that’s just within the last 50 years that’s not even mentioning Nixon or all the others that came before him. The truth is this is been the way it has always been. It sucks that so much of the energy of youth is wasted tilting at windmills. Instead of actually understanding and working to improve things. Actively demotivating non Republican voters in an effort to get the Republican candidate to win. That sounds like a real good way to improve things.
“I don’t like what you’re saying, so you must be younger than me and therefore wrong” is the most boomer take ever.
It’s not just that people don’t like what you have to say. It’s that you don’t actually respond to what’s being said. Or have anything to actually offer to a discussion. And calling anyone older than you a boomer is such a juvenile thing to do. So you are at least proving my point I suppose.
I didn’t say you were older than me. I said you were acting like a boomer.
Dude… why are you always rewriting everything anyone says to you? Is it because you know it’s obnoxious? Is it that you are trying to agitate people into losing their resolve and saying something you can report them for?
Because nowhere did they say anything they made you the victim you’re trying to be here.
They simply said that your points of view are incredibly naïve. Which would be the result of being young and inexperienced with politics and its nuance. Having said that… They could have just said that you are an ignorant brainwashed troll, but they didn’t. Because they probably believe this isn’t the case.
Dude… why are you always rewriting everything anyone says to you?
It’s called paraphrasing. I tend to do it when I’m on mobile. It quickly becomes an awkward pain in the ass to go line by line and quote the condescension and abuse that centrists use because their ideas are indefensible.
No, it’s not paraphrasing. It’s purposeful misunderstanding so you can either victimize yourself, or build a straw man.
You’re not as clever as you think.
40% of voting-eligible Americans simply don’t vote at all.
I mean Boomer Democrat voters could sit down and ask themselves “Is voting for a geriatric establishment white man really the move in the 2020 primaries if we want those “young” (read: anyone under the age of 65) voters to engage in politics”
But they won’t because even though they vote Democrat they’re still Boomers. And Boomers can’t handle not getting their way.
If young voters wanted anything maybe they’d get off their whiny asses and vote EVERY TIME and change things.
If theyre so numerous and so progressive why can’t they just take the party over? Why can’t they vote progressives in every house district, every senator race, who would then nominate a progressive for president the next time?
What a pathetic defense for Boomers being selfish shit bags.
This is not a defense of boomers at all.
It’s a criticism of lazy ass young voters, of which I was one once. Maybe if you did one thing like boomers (VOTE- EVERY- TIME) then you’d get your way.
But then I guess you wouuldn’t get to be the perpetual victim and wah wah wah, the world is so mean.
But then I guess you wouuldn’t get to be the perpetual victim and wah wah wah, the world is so mean.
This is a tacit defense of Boomers.
Well, millennials voted for Obama because he genuinely inspired hope. Then we saw how he governed and it killed our entire generation’s sense of hope.
Then you saw Biden being a better president than Obama because he was more experienced. Maybe the answer here is to pay more attention to what a politician does than what he says
LOL, if that were answer, then Biden would be judged on the anti-drug legislation he spearheaded in '84, '86, and '88 that gave us expanded sentences for possession, civil asset forfeiture, and the racist sentencing disparity between crack and powdered cocaine. He’d also be judged on the 1994 crime bill he co-authored that led to the largest increase in mass incarceration in 40 years. Oh, and let’s not forget the time he teamed up with Robert Byrd, a Senator and Klansman, to pass anti-bussing legislation. Point is, Biden has benefited a lot from people listening to what he says and forgetting what he’s done.
Biden has benefited a lot from people listening to what he says and forgetting what he’s done.
You mean forgetting that Biden has the lowest unemployment rate since the 1960’s? Forgetting that he raised the minimum tax rate on corporations from 0% to 15%? Forgetting that that every few days there is a record stock market high? That nobody could have handled Covid or Ukraine better?
Biden is the victim of a lot of people forgetting what he’s done.
I don’t think you understand my point. You made a comment about how I should judge politicians on their actions, not their words. So I pointed out that Biden’s actions before his election included anti-bussing legislation, several racist drug bills, and the worst expansion of the prison-industrial complex in history. I’m glad you’re happy with Biden’s performance as President, but you clearly ignored a lot of what he did as a Senator and listened to what he said as a presidential candidate (or you really like racist drug policies and mass incarceration).
I couldn’t care less what Biden did in the 1970’s. It is ridiculous to call him “racist”, as he was the running mate of the first black president.
Your original comment:
Maybe the answer here is to pay more attention to what a politician does than what he says.
Your current comment:
I couldn’t care less what Biden did in the 1970’s.
Maybe the answer here is to not leave condescending replies to other people’s comments if you’re just going to completely contradict yourself and negate your own point.
If you have a non proportional system where parties don’t make coalitions, there’s no other choice (unless you live in a region where a specific party always wins with a majority of the votes, then do what you want).
Wasn’t the case with Obama, as one easy example
Kinda… mostly because the best ones never become candidates. The parties push the candidates that serve the interests of the partys donors then try to convince the voters they actually care.
Most elections are a choice between two mediocre candidates.
With the current state of the Republican party, it’s truly about getting more of them out of power. Unless you’re a white Christofascist bootlicker.
I know I am. I mean it it’s not like I would vote for any Republican because I have yet to see one that lines up with my philosophy. And since we have a shitty to party system, I can’t reasonably expect to be able to have a voice by voting for anybody else, so I have no choice but to compromise by voting for the lesser of two bastards. We seriously need ranked voting in this country so badly. It’s not a perfect system, but it’s so much better than what we’re doing now.
Aye, this is me
and that is why we the people will lose this election as well
we either stop supporting bad candidates from any party or we get stuck with them
why the fuck does any want four years of Trump or Biden is wild
Both are too old and both are set on taking us way back in time
already lost women’s rights and worker’s rights
how much do y’all want to lose?
guess we will see in the next four years what we get to lose next already getting to the point crossing state borders is difficult
This guy is going to “both sides” himself into a right-wing dictatorship.
what state border is difficult to cross, honest question
I guess Alaska. Or hawaii. Lol
Water is wet.
The electoral college is the electoral college
there hasn’t been an election where it wasn’t choosing the least bad person.
Obama’s first go around felt pretty legit.
I think as candidates Clinton, W. Bush, Gore, Obama, McCain had sincere support overshadowing the need to stop some particular bad person instead. As misguided as I think it is, Trump voters also are all about Trump less than stopping Biden. I can’t personally remember a race where “the other side must be stopped” as pretty much the sole consideration among the voters until the Trump era.
Yes, third party candidates are dismissed in a self fulfilling prophecy, but also that reality drives most reasonable would-be third party candidates to one of the viable parties, generally leaving third party candidates that wouldn’t be that popular anyway.
I can’t personally remember a race where “the other side must be stopped” as pretty much the sole consideration among the voters until the Trump era.
The Kerry '04 campaign might as well have been “Anyone But Bush”, and it went down in flames as a result. Every time Kerry was pressed on any kind of progressive-ish sounding issue, he ran to the right for fear of spooking the moderate centrist voter. Every time Bush was pressed on his conservative bona fides, he just pointed to 9/11 and said “I kept us safe” and the news media ate that shit up.
In the end, you had the Strong MAGA Security candidate in Bush and the flaky swish liberal candidate in Kerry. Kerry lost by 3M votes and 35 ECs, dwarfing the Bush/Gore defeat. Then he slunk back to the Senate and triangulated votes with John McCain for the next eight years.
I think as candidates Clinton, W. Bush, Gore, Obama, McCain had sincere support
Joe Biden was better and more progressive than literally every one of those guys. It’s not Biden’s fault that you haven’t been paying much attention.
I can’t personally remember a race where “the other side must be stopped” as pretty much the sole consideration among the voters until the Trump era.
I can’t personally remember a president who has achieved more progress than Joe Biden, and I can remember every president starting with Nixon.
Note I didn’t claim the were progressive or that Biden did nothing, I’m saying voter sentiment is basically “not trump” rather than “for Biden”. I’ll accept that Kerry was in a similar position of being the “not W” candidate, but other than that I can’t think of a candidate whose popular support was so much more about “the other guy” than the candidate themselves.
WTF? Dude it is not Bidens fault that Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump has been ranked as the worst president in history by historians. That means there are lots of “Biden Republicans”. But Dems would be voting for Biden over any Republicrat.
As long as you don’t see Palestinians/Arabs as people, I agree.
I was genuinely excited for Obama. I strongly supported him during the primary, was thrilled he won, and was very hopeful when he was elected.
Quickly disappointed not long after, but at least when he was first being elected it was definitely a “I really like this candidate and am hopeful they’ll live up to their promises.”
