Time to sue for breach of contract. My original agreement with Mojang which Microsoft bought is forever.
And if you bought in alpha, it is for “every future version” of Minecraft. I made it into that group by like a week.
If Microsoft wants to keep profiting off of Minecraft’s name, then they are making “future versions” and they need to honour that. They don’t want to do that? Okay, call it “shitty block building game rip-off #15,084,831”. But they won’t, because that name is valuable for good reason.
It would cost them literally nothing and gain massive goodwill to give that out to like the tiny minority of early players, many of whom won’t even use it, but something about being a corporation makes it impossible for them to do literally anything good. It’s frankly baffling.
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Man I made my Mojang account so long ago that when I tried to transition I couldn’t recover the account password to do it.
still sucks but I mean they did warn about this for propably over 2 years
More like 5 years, my account was migrated in 2019 (found the email looking for something else) and I remember not doing it right away, but because I had already received multiple emails from them warning me about it.
Okay, but breach of contract isn’t okay just because you announced you were going to do it well in advance. It just makes their culpability easier to prove because they announced their unlawful intentions extremely clearly.
I haven’t read into this but do you have actual proof that it was unlawful in any way? this is no different from game servers and websites shutting down and it happens all the time
Well then read into it if you want to make pronouncements about it. It is the revocation of a license that was sold in perpetuity. That is quite different to no longer providing a service in general. It is selectively denying service to a certain group without legal cause. There were no terms in the contract with Mojang that they could unilaterally remove the license if you didn’t do a specific digital dance on their terms. If it is unlawful, the lawsuit will determine that.
And my point is that if it is indeed unlawful, then telling people years in advance makes no difference, especially if, in some cases mentioned in this very thread, people tried to transfer and couldn’t and were given no way to fix it.
Yeah seriously…. I received so fucking many emails over the last n years about it. I hadn’t touched mc in many years, pre MS acquisition and I was made well aware of what was happening.
There are comments in this thread talking about MS had taken purchases away, like come on now.
i feel like it was longer. its been more than that since I last played minecraft and I definitely remember getting the warning multiple times via email I feel like it even got delayed based on how long ago it feels.
yeah now that I think about it it might be over 3 years :D proåably even more
I’m glad I literally JUST bought a copy of Minecraft so I didn’t have to deal with this mess.
But unfortunately I have to deal with Microsoft shenanigans now. And I can’t even play the worse version on Linux.
Why would you want to play Bedrock on Linux? The Java version is great, supports mods, etc. The only reason I can think of is to play with console players in MP, so I recommend pressuring them to play the Java version so you can use mods (or play Minetest if they don’t want to pay). It runs fine on most potatoes, so if they have a PC of any variety, they can probably run it.
There is also GeyserMC which translates Bedrock connections to Java allowing Bedrock players to join
Huh, cool! I’ll try that the next time my kids’ friends want to play Bedrock (they only have consoles).
Minetest engine and its games are great fun. It’s super easy to mod with Lua scripts and there is awesome documentation. ContentDB has an abundant selection of games and mods for anyone to customize their play.
one would argue that’s a Linux feature
How is it a mess? They gave people YEARS with constant reminders and it takes like half a minute to do. Anyone having issues with this is a fucking idiot and deserves to loose their account.
It was not a simple process. I’ve been trying for years to migrate, and gave up because it wasn’t worth the hassle. I have been playing Minecraft since the alpha, and I have bought the game several times over.
To know that my account is now simply gone means that I’m just that much less likely to return. If I have to rebuild, I’ll invest my time in a game that won’t be taken away from me.
I forget what it’s called, but there is a 3rd party application that allows you to play the mobile version on Linux. I only use it to play with my cousin since she can only play on Xbox, and it works pretty well.
So it’s something that works like BlueStacks?
Similar idea, but it does some funky translation layer magic to get pretty much native performance. The original project is called mcpelauncher-linux, iirc it’s been abandoned and forked at least once since then but I haven’t kept up with it.
Not to Pirate, (i own the Java version since 2015~)but is there a way to have a minecraft executable that runs localy and never connects to microsoft/internet? I know minetest exists, have made a world there a while ago, but its ever so slightly diffrent
The official Minecraft server .jars (and all the modded ones) can be configured to not check in with Microsoft. The game itself can be launched in offline mode too. Might be easier to get it set up with a 3rd party launcher instead of the official one.
I paid for Minecraft more times than any other game. If there’s a free way to play it, I do feel entitled to that.
I have gotten more free accounts on Minecraft than any other game. I bought it twice on Java (not counting copies I bought for family) and once on bedrock, so when they moved accounts to Microsoft and gave every Java account a bedrock account and every bedrock account a Java account, so I now have three on each version. A second (or third) account is useful for rescuing your main account in some circumstances
UltimMC lets you play without an account
Friendly, and unsolicited reminder that the Minetest engine + its game Mineclonia (or alternatively Voxelibre) are a pretty good open source alternative as of late.
Minetest is also getting some pretty nice upgrades to its graphics lately. The upcoming release should be looking quite pretty.its game Mineclonia (or alternatively Voxelibre)
I see that Voxelibre has considerably more players, but you list Mineclonia first. Do you have a preference between the two?
Well for the sake of context Mineclonia is a fork of Mineclone2, which has now rebranded itself as VoxeLibre. The project was forked due to personal and design disputes. In fact the most productive developer of Mineclonia, used to be the lead dev of mcl2.
Currently VoxeLibre maintains the continuity of the original project and the community which explains its higher popularity. Mineclonia by comparison has very little presence, the discord server was set up like a couple of months ago I think.
But in terms of code, mineclonia has been the faster evolving of the two. More features, more bug fixes, and advances from voxelibre that are deemed valuable are cherry picked. In terms of specific features, I really prefer the double digging depth, and the better villages. And voxelibre has significantly shortened the attack range which I find really annoying.
Other than that, mineclonia is more commited to being a true clone of minecraft, with voxelibre going out of its way to diverge, especially after the rebrand, which might turn out to be wise if microsoft’s trademark lawyers come knocking.
Can you use minecraft mods with any of these clones?
If not it’s kind of a deal breaker.
Highly unlikely. Minecraft has a lot of quirky code, and the mods would have been built around that code.
For all intents and purposes, the clones are a different game entirely, and unless the mod author specifically goes out of their way to make their mod compatible with the clones, or a different version for it, they won’t work.
Nope, you can just use these mods for the time being.
On the flip side, it’s orders of magnitude easier to write a Minetest mod, and keep it updated with later versions and compatible with other mods.
+1 for Minetest
I run a server on our local network that kiddos love
It was fairly simple to setup including which game type and mods
I see Minetest is available for android. Can you run Mineclonia on a phone?
Indeed you can. Personally I find the phone interface a bit too clunky, but if your phone’s hardware is up for it, it does run, and all platforms that support Minetest are compatible with each other.
What does 196 have to say about this?
That happened to my sister unfortunately. She tried to transition her account and kept getting strange errors and minecraft support was very unhelpful. I ended up buying her a new account for her birthday, which I’m glad we can play together again, but it sucks that some strange bug took her account in the first place.
It wasn’t the big, it was Microsoft. They forced the transition and refused to solve the issue you faced.
What’s fucked up is they still have a custom skin my ex made for me on my account, but I don’t own the game.
I “transitioned” to Vintage Story anyway.
Thanks for the heads up on that game. Looks fun!
It’s basically TerraFirmaCraft, but as a standalone game, if you ever played that mod.
I mean, there are open-source clones, right, like Minetest, yes?
The angry Redditor wrote, “The fact they can just take away your license to the game like that is [expletive] insane. This is why I’ll never support DRMs, if a game has a DRM you do NOT own it. Only a license to temporarily play it.”
I mean, I get that complaint on a broader basis – and I think that that might be a problem moving down the line. If a company can buy a company that has sold you access to a game, and that company can cut off your access to that game, then they get leverage that they can use to extract other things out of you. Like, that is a real, legitimate issue. And it applies to anything that you buy digitally, not just games – books, music, software packages. If a vendor can change the terms on which you have access to the thing, they have leverage.
However, specifically for Minecraft, it seems kind of like complaining that someone is cutting off your access to Microsoft Solitaire. It might be annoying, but…you can go out and download a free and open-source package that can do essentially the same thing, yes?
No one wants to play Minecraft, they want to play dragons reloaded two, or harvestcraft, or whatever. Minecraft is really kinda bad as a stand alone thing, that’s why people will still get excited when they hear the name hytale. The modding community is what people buy the game for, and that isn’t replicated anywhere else.
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Fair enough. It looks like Minetest has about 1,620 mods:
https://content.minetest.net/packages/?type=mod
And Minecraft 169,849 (assuming that Curseforge is comprehensive):
https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft
Though I also see a lot of stuff online saying that Minetest also has considerably better performance and is a lot less buggy, so…shrugs
Buying a game for the modding community
Buying
(which doesn’t get you ownership)
for the modding
(which doesn’t get them to own)
Buying
Paying
…What kind of idiots…?
Hard disagree, of i play Minecraft, it’s for vanilla Minecraft. Clones just don’t capture that arm feel and vibe of Minecraft either
Minetest isn’t really a substitute for Minecraft. Yes, its similar, but its far less polished, lacking in content, vanilla and otherwise, and is missing a lot of the technical functionality that makes much of Minecraft’s content (esspecially on the modding side) possible. Don’t get me wrong, I want to like it, and I’ve debated trying to contibute to it myself (although my skills are very lackluster) but as it stands its only really a substitute in the context of things like casually playing Pocket Edition.
Just out of curiosity, what content is it that you play with on Minecraft that you’d like on Minetest?
Personally, Im more of a creative-mode player at the moment so the majority of the problems don’t affect me. Its also been a couple months since I last tried Minetest (mostly on Mineclone). From what I remember, my personal dealbreakers were:
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IMO much uglier graphics, and more significantly, its harder to graphically customize with mods and resource packs. Maybe its more versitile than I’m giving it credit for, but at the very least, its not used as there aren’t enough modders and artists making content for the game to even remotely compete.
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Performance - Minecraft may not be optimized, but I was getting much worse performance on Minetest. In particular, I was getting massive frame drops any time I placed or broke a block, making it extremely nauseating to play.
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UX - There were a ton of small roadblocks to actually playing the game as I wanted to. First, customizing the graphics settings - the menu was disorganized and defaults were really weird for my hardware. Then, I had to find and edit the permissions file to be able to fly and sprint on my creative world. Even after that, if I remember right, the controls or flight movement were limitted or weird but in a way that couldn’t easily be fixed.
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Lack of world editting commands - Im sure theres mods for this one, but its more work to find, figure out, and set up and by the time I got to this point, having to put in even more work just to make the game comparable was a dealbreaker.
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Not quite the same as what was purchased… just let them download and play the old version they bought
I tried transitioning my account and every time it said it was done, I’d get another email saying I need to do it
i wonder if this and other obscure errors people get that prevent them from transitioning is done on purpose for randomly chosen users, its more money for them after all when people have to buy the game again.
As much as I think it’s a shitty move, they warned about it for long enough, and they can’t be expected to maintain a deprecated login system indefinitely.
I don’t know if I migrated my account though, but since I only play on self hosted servers I don’t care, worst case scenario I’ll crack it to not need a login and be done with it.
What do you mean, they warned about it long enough? I bought it, I played it as a kid. Now I want to share it with my kids and it turns out Microsoft said on some website somewhere, and maybe in a few emails to a nonexistent aol address, that they want me to update my account, and since I didn’t do that I have to buy it a second time? I learned today that they’ve “attempted to contact me”. I never agreed to a EULA that said I had a limited amount of time for anything. Nor did anyone else who purchased before 2011.
While I agree it’s awful, there were numerous news articles since Microsoft bought Mojang about it. I haven’t played Minecraft since I was a kid (my kids use my account) and I was aware of it long before it was required. Basically, they supported both for a few years, then only supported Microsoft logins but kept the Mojang login to convert accounts for a few years, and now they’re disabling the Mojang login entirely.
They’ve handled this about as well as I could hope for. They bought Mojang ~10 years ago, and I remember converting my account like 3-4 years ago after putting it off for a year or so.
So 10 years from aquisition to disabling the old login servers is quite generous imo. I’ve been using the same Minecraft license since I bought it ~15 years ago (2009/2010, whenever it was in open beta). That’s a pretty good run. That’s pretty good for a constantly upgdating game.
It sucks that some people lost their accounts, but aside from a handful like you, I’m guessing most of those aren’t interested in ever playing again, so the impact is low. Hopefully their support can do something for you.
Nice to hear someone’s thoughts, but this is actually covered by US case law regarding EULA/TOS consent, and in places like Australia with even better protections regarding video games it is even more obviously not something Microsoft is allowed to do. Something else you may be unaware of is that their support page specifically says they won’t assist with account migrations. It doesn’t matter, I paid for a product and now I have full use of it again—with the caveat that I can’t use official servers, because I guess what I should actually do is devote daily attention to whether or not a company is trying to take back something I paid for.
Actually, something I paid someone else for.
Their support will do nothing. My oldest daughter tried to play on her account after not playing on it for probably five years. She found out that she missed the conversion and we had to buy it again for her. Really sucks that they can just decide to do things like this. Should have unlimited time to convert- not log in and play on the old system but they could have kept a list of accounts at trivial cost.
Yeah, it really does suck. But I’m guessing the majority are unaffected, so it’s way better than other transitions. I’ve had the same account since buying way back in 2009/2010, that’s a pretty good run imo.
Sorry about your daughter’s account.
I bought it before 2011, technically if you lost access to the email you might have lost access to that account years ago without knowing. Even if Microsoft was doing what I think they should, i.e. keep a database of emails and allow people to migrate their account forever, you would still not be able to recover it. Wanting to get an account back from an email you lost access to is like expecting steam to give you all of the keys on your account to add to another if you forgot your password and can’t prove it is you.
Forgot about replying but I’m begging y’all to stop coming up with reasons this isn’t an issue, I have proof of purchase on an old hard drive and my username and password worked til the day I stopped playing. Very quickly googled and support used to help people migrate accounts with no email access, so yes authenticating a login on the server was plenty for them, just not anymore. Comparison doesn’t work
If you lost access to the email and forgot the password you can’t demonstrate to the support person that you are who you say you are. If support people changed your password under those conditions then the system could be abused to reset random people’s passwords. Also you don’t know if your username/password still worked, if those credentials were leaked anyone could have changed your password, and Minecraft old auth system leaked a few username/passwords, I remember having a list of them that I used to introduce people to the game (obviously I never changed anyone’s password, but there are plenty of douchebags out there)
BTW I never said this isn’t an issue, IMO they should keep a DB and allow the migration indefinitely, so it is shitty of them to put a time limit on it. But if you lost access to the email for that account I can understand them not allowing the migration, part of activating an account is usually validating the email address, so whoever owns your email address now gets to own that account.
Just nix the login servers and the problem is solved. Go back to that whole era of “When you buy it, it’s yours forever” that we seem to have lost. Anti piracy needs to get more creative than just robbing paying customers of their product.
don’t need any future updates, the game was fine when I bought it. I didn’t buy the game from Microsoft, so I don’t see why they are trying to glean information off a purchase I made 13 years ago.
Haven’t they been warning about this for like a year?
I only saw the warning the first time it was announced, which I transfered over back then. But then I never heard of it again, so if someone happened to have been busy and missed it the first time it made headlines I could see how they could be caught off guard with how I completely forgot about it until it made headlines for it being discontinued.
For people that didn’t transfer right away, like me, I got so many emails telling me to transfer the account. So people that didn’t transfer right away, stil got plenty of notice
I looked through my email, they first asked me in February 2022.
At least three, as far as I can tell. Probably more.
Yeah I had been getting those emails for a long ass time
That doesn’t matter. You don’t get to just unlitaterally revoke something people paid for because they didn’t want to sign up for an account at a company that was unrelated to Minecraft when they bought the game. This should be illegal.
What was the original license that people paid for? Is there anything in there that would protect them?
Clearly not , which only makes the point. Consumer protection for digital products is weak and needs reform.
That doesn’t matter. If you buy a house and miss a sentence buried in page 2,784 of the agreement that says that the previous owner can arbitrarily decide to take the house back whenever they feel like it, that still won’t hold up in court. Digital products need to work the same way.
