Both are too big
To be fair, the first pick up can haul dirty stuff or things that stick out like pipes, signs or maybe something like small boats. It’s still hilarious tho that the carry capacity is comparable. Like you could theoretically fit a small pizza oven into it xD
That’s a Piaggio Ape (or Apecar), which has been made in literally any and all possible shapes and uses. It has been used by generations in Italy and many other countries to haul everything imaginable. The standard variation has an open bed, the one posted in the image is a modified Ape with a closed bed.
It’s the Vespa of the pickup truck world.
Oh, I only ever saw it like this, didn’t know it came with an open bed variation. mkay, I stand corrected, that is absolutely beautiful!
You can haul pipes on a van. Plumbers in Europe carry them on their roof. You can also leave the rear door open if it’s just once in a while.
You can haul dirty stuff in there, it’s not like they’re lined with fur and suede. There’s also open vans. Notice the low and accessible flatbed where all sides can be fold down: https://rjclowloaders.co.uk/product/open-back-van/
And re the pizza oven, that’s not a theoretical idea: https://azurebikes.com/shop/wood-fired-pizza-truck-for-mobile-catering/
What baffles me about Americans is that truck owners insist that they need to haul things. And I’m always wondering why would anyone spend time and money doing that? Here in the UK delivery is usually free. New bed? Free delivery. New PC hardware or huge TV? Free delivery. Lumber for a DIY project? Free delivery. A palette of cat food? Free delivery! Why the fuck would anyone waste money on petrol and haul shit themselves? The only paid delivery is groceries and it’s £1 from Sainsbury’s, I ain’t driving for £1, fuck it.
You listed all new item purchase things, where delivery is just part of the price you paid for it in the first place.
What do you do when you’re not purchasing something, i.e hauling shit you already own from your old place to your new place when moving?
I moved once by strapping a sheet of plywood to the roof of my car and tapping in nails along the edge. We Beverly Hillbillied our stuff and tied it down. It was one of my greatest achievements. Note: I took side streets to my new place and got everything done 3 trips I think.
You rent a van like every normal person on this planet.
or if you have a shit ton of stuff and a big house: pay movers to drive it in a shipping truck like all the rest of the middle class fucks that can afford one of these trucks.
So you need a driving license to move in the UK?
American here looking to buy a truck that’s not absurdly oversized and over priced. I need it to haul hay and bring garbage to the dump. I save a couple hundred a year for bringing my own garbage instead of doing trash pick up, and hay deliveries cost way more than they used to.
Plus my rural area requires driving everywhere and the winters are pretty bad so a 4 wheel drive vehicle is good to have for going to work or emergencies.
I’m looking into those tiny Japanese kei trucks as a potential alternative if I can’t find something that’s reasonable though.Let’s be honest here, the majority of Americans with trucks don’t live in a rural area. Rural life is different ofc, people not only have trucks here, but also tractors, telehandlers and whatnot.
Even out here in the rural areas people who have these ridiculous, oversized, luxery trucks aren’t using them for actual work. I guess that was kinda my point. People who haul stuff want something affordable that can take a bit of a beating. Not some gas guzzling humongous thing that doesn’t even offer more hauling space.
Those trucks are definitely not being built for work. I hate them because finding a decent work truck that won’t bankrupt me is becoming a huge hassle.
I needed a truck for almost the exact same reasons - including hauling garbage - and made do with a pretty old Silverado 1500. Trucks are built like, well, trucks and with even minimal maintenance.
I got mine in 2013 for about $12k with 180,000 miles on the odometer, and drove it for 70,000 more miles with minimal maintenance until I moved to the suburbs and didn’t need it anymore. Hauled rocks and hogs and feed and garbage, got stuck in a muddy field and dented and scratched it as much as I wanted because it’s a truck for doing truck stuff.
Ford Maverick? Same price as a Civic, good mpg (for a truck), and it can replace your car.
It’s not free; it’s included in the price. Those are entirely different things.
As for why someone would want to haul things themselves, well, there are a lot of things that you can not reasonably expect delivery on, or paying another person to haul would be unreasonably expensive for. Does that necessarily make up for the cost of a truck? Probably not by itself, in most cases.
It’s not free; it’s included in the price
Technically - yes. But you won’t get a discount if you try to haul it yourself. You’ll just spend more money and time.
And here in america nothing is free
Particularly in rural America, that’s not an option. When dealing with used stuff, well one person or the other is going to need a truck to haul it. If you take a boat regularly to water or a camper regularly to outdoors, you need something that can tow.
I rarely need to haul, but I do need to tow a lot, so I have an SUV that can tow and rent a trailer on the odd occasion I have to haul stuff. The SUV is from a European manufacturer if that’s comforting.
But these pickups have laughably tall heights that is just a detriment to utility and a safety hazard. Ironically brought on by efficiency standards that gave a pass to larger vehicles, so when the car company can either try to engineer more efficiency or just make them bigger, they chose ‘just make em bigger’. The truck buying market doesn’t help, with a lot of people getting giddy at the thought of playing “I drive a big rig” with their personal vehicle.
I didn’t know that NYC counts as a rural area, pardon me.
It turns out that over 97% of people in the US do not live in NYC. I don’t know why you think when I cited rural America I would have even possibly been trying to cover NYC…
Because 97% of Americans don’t live in rural areas.
Well, it gets trickier.
About 20% unambiguously live in ‘rural’. That’s pretty significant and a lot of folks that get hit with this are in that 20%.
But ‘urban’ can be… not very urban. So the example led with NYC, the biggest and most dense city by a wide wide margin. I live within one of the top 50 cities and need to rent a truck on occasion. I’ll say for sake of argument roughly the top 50 cities represent areas that are so well served they shouldn’t need a truck. Only 15% of the US population lives in the top 50 cities. Only 30% live in cities larger than 100,000 people, if you want to assert that relatively smaller cities ‘should’ be better served. So 70% of people live outside of cities over 100,000…
Oh my fellow European, affordable delivery just ain’t a thing in America, always shocked me just how expensive daily life there is. But even then you’re absolutely right, 99% of everything Americans “haul” would easily fit inside a regular family car or even a smaller car like a Renault Clio. And for the 1%, why not just borrow/get a small trailer or rent a small van?
Also just a side note, I was shocked when I visited my American buddies and legit NOTHING fit inside those huge ass vehicle. We bought like 8 bags of groceries for a week trip and 2 of those bags were on my lap IN THE FRONT SEAT!!! I mean you’re not putting anything in the trunk, shit’ll break, and the back seats have barely any space, it’s ridiculous.
I can assure anyone who is wondering that a 60" tv fits in a 2007 Mazda 3. Sure I had to take it out of the box but it fit in the back with the seats folded down.
I once hauled about 200 paving stones in a Mazda Protege. I spread them out on the floor and in the trunk so it wouldn’t hurt anything for the three mile drive I made back form the home improvement store
So I have a theory that the carrying capacity of a car has nothing to do with the size of the car and everything to do with how much the owner cares about the car and the comfort tolerance of the passengers. Out of all the loads I’ve observed carried with a car(pickups count as cars but not vans or trailers) the biggest are always in a small beat-up old car full of tolerant and poor young people. I can’t think of a time when I’ve tried loading a car and stopped because the car is too small, it’s always because the owner objects.
The thing is, looking around at these monstrosities - the people driving them are almost never hauling anything. For the most part, they are just carrying the dumbass driver. And they are about 25% of the vehicles on the road.
As a Swede, I think the reason this baffles you has a lot to do with the fact that the U.K. is comparatively tiny, with 67 mil inhabitants on 244 sqkm. Sweden for example has 10.5mil inhabitants on 450 sqkm.
What happens is that densely populated areas will have access to these services, perhaps not for free, but they’re at least there. Less sparsely populated areas have less service coverage, and so you get more car dependant. Here in Sweden at least we have a decent public transport network so even in my old village of 600 people you could make do without a car, you just couldn’t be particularly spontaneous about things.
The U.S. is very much structured around owning cars. Massive roads, poor pedestrian/cycling infrastructure, and a general lack of public transit. I visited Massachusetts back in 2019 and got a completely different perspective on things. Until then I didn’t understand why my friend just didn’t bike everywhere, but having been there it’s easy to see that it’s not viable. Even the cul-de-sac they lived on wasn’t very pedestrian friendly.
That’s not to say that the U.S. could have more sensible sizes on their cars, they definitely could. I think the sizes of cars growing has to do with manufacturers wanting increased profit. We’re seeing an increase in the average car size here in Europe as well, with a lot of the more compact cars being taken off the market.
The problem with your logic is that top 5 most popular vehicles in the New York City are:
- Chevrolet Silverado
- Ford F-Series
- Toyota Rav 4
- Dodge RAM
- Nissan Rogue
Tell me more about how these guys live in a sparsely populated area and need hauling hay and lumber all day long.
Unfortunately a lot of people buy these to haul kids. They act like you can’t put car seats in a sedan and put strollers in the trunk. We had 5 people in my dad’s 1972 Mercury Capri when I was growing up. The back seat was small. Of course we weren’t as fat as typical Americans are today.
When I had two kids in car seats I upgraded to a bigger car. It was a VW Jetta wagon/estate. Plenty of space for both kids and all our stuff to go on week long vacations. And since it was a diesel it got like 40mpg highway.
I mean there’s status tied to car culture as well. It’s a common problem with consumerism, and why people build these tribes around brand loyalty and whatnot. The fact that massive vehicles are popular in NYC isn’t incompatible with the notion that delivery services and public transport is available there. According to this… Powerpoint (??) on nyc.gov, about 53% of households in NYC have access to a car (page 53), which is significantly lower than the national average.
Yes, unfortunately in the US it’s two parts 1) rural areas are not very well-serviced as you say, there is a lot of land in the US (~8,000,000 sqkm) much of which is empty, so being able to do more yourself is always the better option 2) there’s always been kind of mythos around self-reliance in this country that has become kind of exaggerated with certain political demographics, so that leads to people in cities owning these giant vehicles as kind of a political status thing “Look at me, I’m a self-reliant manly man who doesn’t need help from any community or collective.” Which us a ridiculous attitude to have when living in a city, but that’s the political climate undortunately. Also plays into why so many of our services suck arse.
Yes, unfortunately in the US it’s two parts 1) rural areas are not very well-serviced as you say
It doesn’t even have to be that rural, honestly. My friend lived in a town in MA with about 70k inhabitants. To me this is a fairly large town, my current town is about 20k, and my previous town was about 30k. Honestly I didn’t even have any idea that the town they lived in was so populous until now (as I just looked it up), because it didn’t feel like it. In terms of services and population I got the impression that it was smaller than my hometown at the time. It’s just spread out over a much larger area and very little is made to be accessible by walking.
My friend had a ~30 minute walking distance from their house to the nearest grocery store. In my current town I have 2 grocers within 9 minutes of walking distance. Both are easily accessible with bicycle as well.
There’s also the general consumption attitude. My friend went shopping once every 7-14 days. Nowadays I order in groceries in bulk every 7 days, but in the past going for groceries was a more spontaneous thing. I know plenty of people who pick up groceries more or less daily on their way home from work. From what I observed, a lot of consumer goods is available in larger bulk quantities in the U.S. compared to what you see here. You generally also don’t buy drinking water here, but in the U.S. that’s sometimes required.
There’s a lot of nuances. I live quite comfortably as a pedestrian/cyclist over here in Sweden. I don’t think I could do that if I’d lived where my friend did.
It has nothing to do with the size of the US. You don’t drive from NYC to LA to pick up a fridge. You drive to the nearest city. So why should they not be able to deliver it to you?
And if you live so rural that that’s not feasible – well that’s your issue then, nobody’s forcing you to live in bumfucknowhere.
And if you live so rural that that’s not feasible – well that’s your issue then, nobody’s forcing you to live in bumfucknowhere.
Sure, no individual is like to force you to live in the middle of nowhere, but circumstances might.
I’m not saying that cars should be a thing, but rather talking about (some) reasons they are. The biggest determining factor really is just car culture. The car and oil industry has done a great job at manufacturing demand for cars, and I’d wager that’s the main determining factor.
If you want to see a reduction in cars on the roads, the best way to do so is simply to make other means of transport more feasible. You don’t fix traffic by widening roads, that just induces further demand. Instead, set up bus lines, mark certain lanes as bus only. Heck, convert some lanes to bicycle only lanes.
It’s been easy for me to take that kind of infrastructure for granted. Where I live for example, there’s a pedestrian/bicycle path all the way from my town, to the nearby larger town ~35km away. It’s fully possible to bike over there if you’re prepared for a 1-1½ hour ish ride.
Oh boy! I want to see you get on a highway with that and then drive it 50 miles in traffic at highway speed.
I’d do it.
And that’s why those aren’t available in the US.
Motorway speeds in the UK during rush hour is comparable to a walking speed.
Or you could not do that and still get where you’re going, albeit slightly less fast.
What’s really interesting is that the bed size on both of those trucks appears to be the same.
For myself, when I’m looking at pickup trucks–which I sometimes do, although I am unlikely to buy one any time soon–I’m looking at the ability to carry full sheets of plywood.
What is the load each can carry? I ruined the transmission in a small Nissan pickup truck like in the photo hauling old carpet to the county dump.
I would need to look it up for each.
A lot of the older trucks–like the early 80s F150s–were veyr small by current standards, but still had the bed size and overall hauling capacity of current gen F150 trucks. They were very clearly work trucks though, and had very few comforts that you’d expect in a car.
You may be interested in www.minitrucks.net
Thanks for sharing
the bed size on both of those trucks appears to be the same.
The length, definitely. But having owned similar sizes with the same bed length (Mazda B2200 & F-150), I can tell you that the larger truck has a much higher max weight capacity, with at least 2-6in greater rail height and anywhere from 12-24 inches greater bed width.
As in, you could put a standard 4×8 sheet of plywood down in each, but in the smaller truck this sheet would be sitting on top of the wheel wells, while in the larger truck it would likely be sitting between the wheel wells entirely.
I get what you’re saying, but looking at old full-sized pickups, the overall width is about the same. What’s different is the ride height and wheel/tire size. A very high weight capacity creates it’s own set of problems, namely that control is compromised when you have no load at all, because there’s no preload on the springs.
On the flip side, the number of people I see towing an RV behind a mid-sized SUV with the front wheels lifting off the ground is astounding. For every guy that bought a truck that never tows anything heavy and never sees any dirt, there’s two idiots towing something 4x what their car is capable of putting you and everyone else on the road in danger.
Just an FYI that you can buy used kei trucks from dealerships in the U.S. and they are pretty cheap.
https://boekiusa.com/inventory/new-jersey/paterson/all-vehicles/available
I believe they aren’t legal in all states though
All I am looking for with one of these is LHD, PW, AC and stick. All other non-default creature comforts are superfluous.
But yes, would love one of these, especially if it came with a 2m³ capacity dumping bed.
Check out my old forum /key truck
Tell the admin that we or she should start a new forum here.
I got permanently banned… maybe that’s a reason to just fuckreddit. Nevermind, don’t check it out.
Also minitrucks.net
Not sure why, but those are much more expensive.
Might be because they are already in the US? IDK. Normally you can find a bunch of trucks below $5,000 on that site.
God I hope these aren’t the only legal states. Those vehicles look great.
Looks like there’s either no law in place or they are specifically legal but with restrictions:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/kei-truck-legal-states
I don’t understand how those trucks can be up to $8,000
Capitalists hate competition
I have a similar comparison between my 2000 bmw z3 and 56 Chevy bel air with a 74 Chevelle engine and I have tested my z3 mpg and got 29mpg and knowing my z3 tank and bel air tank are the same size and every week of daily driving my z3 has about a quarter of a tank left and my bel air typically has half a quarter left so I guesstimate my bel air gets about 20 or 25 mpg but because I work at a dealership I get to see the mpg of every brand new car that comes in and I’ve seen 4runners tundras and Silverados that roll onto the lot rated at as low as 15mpg how the fuck is my car from the 50s more eco friendly than a considerable number of new cars on the road today if my car had a overdrive I could probably understand but I have a 3 speed automatic that it came out the factory with I should be needing to have at least a modern engine and transmission to make my bel air comparable but no just having a early 70s motor is enough to get better mileage then new 2024 trucks
I used to own a 2012 Jeep Patriot. I swapped the air filter, fuel filter, spark plugs, plug wires, and coil pack. Chrysler sent technicians to me to verify that, yes, as long as I kept the tach between 1000 and 2000, I was getting 35/50 mpg.
I figured this out because I was a delivery driver at the time, and managed to go from Lexington, KY to a town in northern South Carolina that I cannot remember the name of, on one tank of fuel.
Also remember that those trucks are both heavier and less aerodynamic than your Bel-Air. A well-equipped Tundra or Silverado is pretty close to the weight of your Bel-Air and Z3, combined.
I guarantee that your 70s motor isn’t really all that eco-friendly. Once all the emissions stuff is warmed up, those trucks are honestly pretty “clean” in regards to tail pipe emissions compared to even a car 20 years ago. Remember that CO2 and water aren’t the only things emitted, and while they’re worse on the CO2 front, anything without a catalytic converter is going to emit some pretty nasty stuff in addition to all all the CO2.
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The bel air probably doesn’t have any emissions stuff. That’s why it gets better gas milage that you expect, whereas the newer stuff absolutely does. Plus trucks are geared for torque, unlike a car, which reduces mpg. A more apt comparison would be to older ('50-'70s) trucks, where you were probably talking more around 9-10mpg without emissions.
I saw someone in a Dodge Ram yesterday when I was out of a bike ride. Frigging huge it was. This is in rural England where the roads are really not designed for these sorts of vehicles. I’d imagine that it wouldn’t actually fit down some of the narrow country roads because it was so big.
Dickheads. Looking forward to meeting one around here on my tractor and making it reverse uphill into a T junction.
I don’t know about y’all, but I just cannot get over that driver in the larger truck in the back and how strong, virile, intelligent, secure, and selfless they obviously are.
I would not say that we can completely get rid of cars, or that all cars are evil, but such absurdly big, extremely inefficient trucks with negligible visibility just should be taxed to shit.
Not even taxed. Outright banned. What happened to governments regulating and revising car safety standards? They can even collect all these back and offer change into more environment and traffic friendly ones, like they were doing 10 years ago.
What happened? Regulatory capture happened.
Capitalism progressing to its natural end stage.
At the very least you should need a special license to operate them. They’re classed differently to avoid safety and emissions regulations imposed on regular cars, so its perfectly reasonable that there should be different requirements to purchase them and get behind the wheel.
That’s brilliant.
I cannot believe my license lets me drive all sorts of vehicle sizes that can outright crush/kill, right off the bat.
But to operate a forklift or ride a motorcycle that is more likely to kill myself? Nah gotta have a license.
Not to mention the massive loads they can haul which basically turn them into semi trucks, vehicles which you would in fact need a special license to operate, with worse visibility to boot. Way too many people out there hauling ridiculously large campers and sometimes even towing an extra vehicle at the end of their train with zero special training to do so.
I remember reading a study done in the late 1990s (I’m pretty sure it was ford) that looked at who was most likely to buy a pickup truck so they could market them better, and they found the people who buy pickup trucks fall into 2 categories, one, a blue collar boss buying it for his employees, or two, an insecure man in his 30s-50s trying to compensate
a blue collar boss buying it for his employees
I assume this means for his business, to be used by employees? I can’t imagine a boss buying his employees a truck.
Q: How many parking spaces does the small truck take up?
A: Exactly the same number as the big one does.
The problem is all cars, not just big cars. Small cars contribute to cities being designed to cater to drivers at the exclusion of every other consideration just as much as big ones do. Posts like this are nothing but a circlejerk for small-car drivers to feel smug about themselves when the reality is that THEY ARE JUST AS MUCH PART OF THE PROBLEM.
This is not how the world works.
People don’t always get to choose where they live. People don’t always get to choose their mobility. People can choose to make good decisions for their situation, like small cars.
I avoid my car when I can, which is a lot, but it would be hard to survive here without a car. And town planning isn’t going to change just because someone doesn’t own a car.
People buying cars in car-centric areas are not the problem. Regulation on town planning, is. Don’t hate on those that do the best they can when you haven’t been in their shoes.
Edit: E-bikes are taking off here more than scooters/bikes/motorcycles ever had, so I am hopeful for change. Baby steps.
What I’m hating on is misattributing the problem to scapegoat one class of cars, which is always implicitly motivated by the desire to rationalize driving another class of them.
I don’t hate on people who drive because they have no good alternatives while owning up to the fact that driving is bad, but that’s not what posts like these are doing.
It’s the difference between “yes, I know smoking is bad and I’m struggling with addiction” vs. “hey at least it’s just cigarettes and not cigars so it’s not that bad.”
Those are trucks, not cars.
Whenever I see some jackass driving these I comment to them how nice and clean it is. Usually they don’t get it but sometimes I go a step further and say “wow you must really never do any work with this work truck!” Fucking pussies
I looked inside a parked one yesterday and saw eyelash curlers.
I see them a lot at Starbucks driven by women.
Part of that is soccer mom-ing, part of that is “urban jungle” brainworm fearmongering, I bet. It’s the transition from station wagons to minivans to SUVs to crew cab trucks. You need a big cool truck that can protect you from the elements, and from the potholes when you go somewhere worthwhile, and also from the crime, even! woah, so cool! kinda shit. Just like, basic fuck you get mine style stuff, there, no questions asked, contextually devoid vacuum “I need to protect my family” mind. People being taken advantage of, by marketing.
You could try making them paranoid. “Wow, that’s big! How do you make sure you’re not driving over a kid in it?”
Lol I’ll probably try this out next time
Hahaha, if you try it you’ll get an answer that will be some bullshit justification and then put in “Ah, I see, you can limit it but there’s no way to be 100% sure.”
I mean… I have worked for contractors that don’t even drive their truck off work hours who kept it very clean as a point of professionalism, but then again, they had obvious signs of it being specifically a work trick. So. Your still completely right.
So tiny truck built on a car platform vs heavy duty pickup
Gods I’d love A small truck like that if they made them, I know this is fuck cars and I agree with the sentiment, but I’d much rather these be everywhere than the monstrosities on the road today
Not 100% definite and it’s likely going to look a bit weird, but real good chance we’re going to have a model based on the transit vans you see rolling around called the ‘ford courier’ in a year or so but regulations make it difficult to release a truck like that nowadays.
So happy with my 80’s c10. Once I do the engine swap, I’ll be able to run it on biodiesel.
Maybe Telo Trucks might be worth keeping an eye on?
Doesnt even list payload or towing capacity. What a joke.
Just went through Japan and Korea and there are a lot of perfectly capable trucks that aren’t giant land-whales
May I introduce you to the Kei-Truck?
Aren’t those illigal to drive in most of the US? Besides that, they also cap at like 60mph, right? That really limits thier usefulness in a lot of the US, these are mostly good for cities, right?
Don’t get me wrong I love kei trucks, but I think having small regular pickups would help a ton too.
If it’s old enough, you can import and drive them. Some kind of classic car exception.
It varies state-to-state wether you can register them for road use.
Only on high ways. They have all the required features (lights, seatbelts, indicators) to be legal on roads, only two states have official bans on their use for roads with speed limits faster than 55mph. But I don’t think any sane person is buying these things for long distance commutes, those that would would just buy a smart car instead.
@Caboose12000 @FleetingTit Mmm, maybe the US should change the way they do things. Just a thought.
Oh for sure, I’m not trying to defend the status quo, if anything g I’m saying we need kei trucks and stricter regulation making regular pickups smaller and more efficient. No one who doesn’t actually need a massive hauling truck should have one imo
Illegal to drive on the highway
They’re illegal for road use in a lot of states, yes, but not private use. So in most states, if you need something for around your property, you’re still allowed to buy one. Some states will let you register them for road use though.
The bigger issues are 1. To be imported, they have to be at least 25 years old, so the current ones are from the late 90s. Thus, they have the tech to go with it, limiting their speed.
And 2. They’re built and designed for Japanese roads and regulations, not American ones. Speed limits are different there, and as you said, they’re better for city use, I’d say non-highway use.
They’re legal in my state, and I want one when I can afford one, but I’m also less than a mile from a major home improvement store, and the other two stores I would need to visit are within 20 minutes driving by backroads. But I’m a fringe case, but I’d say for most people who live reasonably close to a Lowes or whatever and are only going to use it for weekend projects would be perfect candidates for a kei truck.
Beyond that, yeah, they’re limited :/
I think they’re awesome but yeah, unfortunately limited in most bigger cities due to how everything is laid out.
Their use case is basically “never need to go on the freeway”. Going over 50 mph is maybe possible, with a tailwind, downhill, but would be terrifying.
We’ve met, and it goes too far in the tiny direction and can’t drive on highways. It’s like suggesting a moped to someone who wants a smaller street bike.
Ford Maverick
So rare, all the 2024 are sold since months in Canada, I don’t even know if you can buy a 2025 as maybe they are all already reserved.
“We know you want one because it fits your needs and your pricepoint, but we don’t make enough margin on those, so buy an F150 for more money please.”
I was very interested in the Ford Maverick up until the 2024 model year when the hybrid engine stopped being standard and instead a $2500 upgrade on top of an already significant price hike. That, and the complete inability to find one to buy anyway were what made me give up on the maverick entirely.
A move in the right direction for sure.
Canoo is supposedly going to make a pickup based on their electric van platform that looks really interesting:
The expanding bed is an absolutely killer feature IMO. Small footprint the vast majority of the time but expands out large enough to fit a 4x8 sheet of plywood when you need that. All the fold-out workbenches are a really cool touch too.
The whole thing feels like the Kei trucks people in other comments are mentioning but upsized and up-powered to be more feasible on US roads.
