One commentor expressed skepticism with no proof and then a person responded to them with an article about this couple’s engagement that also tells the story about how they met at an FFA event. So yes, there is pretty concrete evidence this is real.
Which one are you talking about? Because none of them feature concrete proof if you read them. ‘Doesn’t mean for sure’ isn’t concrete and also if it is correct it does not give us the answer to is she happy or not. And slight speculations do not count.
Read the article it is right there. That is concrete proof. It announces their engagement and explicitly says where they met. I don’t understand how this is ambiguous to you.
Now this guy could be the worst person on Earth, but we really don’t know that based on one photo from what is clearly a staged photoshoot (not even a candid shot).
I understand wanting to make a point, but this whole thread to be honest looks exactly to me like the flipside of people salivating against drag shows or stuff like that: hard stances based on no information. One picture and it’s already certain he is a groomer, she is not happy etc.?
Yes, there is a big age difference, but this doesn’t mean anything per se.
I am honestly very surprised to see people acting with such confidence over something they objectively know so little about.
You can of course have your own morale, but there is nothing objective. I cannot personally relate to that either, but I also acknowledge that this is purely cultural and therefore relative and possibly temporary. I find the arguments that by definition label it as wrong or worse grooming to be moralistic and - to some extent - bigoted. Even if directed towards a person that probably is a bigot himself etc.
That’s about as far as I’m willing to take this conversation. Advocating for cultural relativism to defend a 42-year-old dating a highschooler and then calling me bigoted for not accepting it…I mean that has to be the bravest take I’ve seen in a long time. Indefensible, but brave.
By the way, I am an American and this guy lives in my society and culture. Please don’t be an intolerant bigot - apparently that falls under your definition, which is bizarre.
I am not calling you bigoted, I am calling the arguments that on principle see a relationship between a 19-20 yo (the age where they realistically started dating) and a 43-45 yo as inherently predatory and wrong, bigoted.
It’s no different from many other moralistic arguments. In fact you fail to elaborate any reason why it’s objectively wrong/predatory for a 45 yo to be with a 20 yo, and are resorting in making thins creepy purely with the language (high-schooler).
Please don’t be an intolerant bigot - apparently that falls under your definition, which is bizarre.
It’s clear that your view is not so universal, even in your country, or such view would have been codified in law (as we have laws against pedophilia now, while in ancient Greece it was absolutely normal to have sex with kids, for example). So in which way I would be a bigot (I really don’t understand what I assume is a provocation).
I noticed mods removed this comment with the reason “defending predators”. The point of this whole discussion is that being older doesn’t make you a predator BY DEFAULT, in my opinion (and according to the law, otherwise it would be illegal). You can be a predator and exploit a 17 yo being 18, while a 18 and a 40 yo might have a healthy relationship.
Being a predator makes you a predator, not being older. Hence, I am not defending anybody, I am questioning the rushed and deterministic way in which the “predator” jusdgement is thrown based on nothing else than anagraphic age.
You could simply make your argument. If you can’t support your point, than maybe it’s not that clear after all. It seems you assume everything you believe is self-evident.
Anyway, I respect your wish to be out, so won’t engage further.
I agree, it feels like most people never looked at pictures of couples before. Even if this is staged or photoshop there is no evidence of her being unhappy.
I guess one happy couple doesn’t mean other marriages would be happy.
I mean, yeah, that’s literally the definition of anecdotal evidence. One happy couple doesn’t mean sweet fuck all.
She looks like she’s either holding in a fart or unbelievably uncomfortable next to her own husband.
She looks happy to you?
Yes, and also as the other commenter stated this is a manipulated photo. So honestly there is no evidence of either.
One commentor expressed skepticism with no proof and then a person responded to them with an article about this couple’s engagement that also tells the story about how they met at an FFA event. So yes, there is pretty concrete evidence this is real.
Which one are you talking about? Because none of them feature concrete proof if you read them. ‘Doesn’t mean for sure’ isn’t concrete and also if it is correct it does not give us the answer to is she happy or not. And slight speculations do not count.
Read the article it is right there. That is concrete proof. It announces their engagement and explicitly says where they met. I don’t understand how this is ambiguous to you.
I must have misunderstood you. Yes there is proof that they met I’m not doubting you, here are the references I’ve collected:
1: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/11704611
2: https://lemm.ee/comment/13016073
Sorry, I came on too strong there
Now this guy could be the worst person on Earth, but we really don’t know that based on one photo from what is clearly a staged photoshoot (not even a candid shot).
I understand wanting to make a point, but this whole thread to be honest looks exactly to me like the flipside of people salivating against drag shows or stuff like that: hard stances based on no information. One picture and it’s already certain he is a groomer, she is not happy etc.? Yes, there is a big age difference, but this doesn’t mean anything per se.
I am honestly very surprised to see people acting with such confidence over something they objectively know so little about.
i’m not sure how much context I need to decide it is inappropriate for 42 year-old to hit on a high schooler whether she is 18 or not.
You can of course have your own morale, but there is nothing objective. I cannot personally relate to that either, but I also acknowledge that this is purely cultural and therefore relative and possibly temporary. I find the arguments that by definition label it as wrong or worse grooming to be moralistic and - to some extent - bigoted. Even if directed towards a person that probably is a bigot himself etc.
What is wrong with you
I’m assuming you mean morals.
That’s about as far as I’m willing to take this conversation. Advocating for cultural relativism to defend a 42-year-old dating a highschooler and then calling me bigoted for not accepting it…I mean that has to be the bravest take I’ve seen in a long time. Indefensible, but brave.
By the way, I am an American and this guy lives in my society and culture. Please don’t be an intolerant bigot - apparently that falls under your definition, which is bizarre.
Yes, I mean morals.
I am not calling you bigoted, I am calling the arguments that on principle see a relationship between a 19-20 yo (the age where they realistically started dating) and a 43-45 yo as inherently predatory and wrong, bigoted.
It’s no different from many other moralistic arguments. In fact you fail to elaborate any reason why it’s objectively wrong/predatory for a 45 yo to be with a 20 yo, and are resorting in making thins creepy purely with the language (high-schooler).
It’s clear that your view is not so universal, even in your country, or such view would have been codified in law (as we have laws against pedophilia now, while in ancient Greece it was absolutely normal to have sex with kids, for example). So in which way I would be a bigot (I really don’t understand what I assume is a provocation).
I noticed mods removed this comment with the reason “defending predators”. The point of this whole discussion is that being older doesn’t make you a predator BY DEFAULT, in my opinion (and according to the law, otherwise it would be illegal). You can be a predator and exploit a 17 yo being 18, while a 18 and a 40 yo might have a healthy relationship.
Being a predator makes you a predator, not being older. Hence, I am not defending anybody, I am questioning the rushed and deterministic way in which the “predator” jusdgement is thrown based on nothing else than anagraphic age.
Think that you might be wrong.
Man I’m out this is truly insane.
You could simply make your argument. If you can’t support your point, than maybe it’s not that clear after all. It seems you assume everything you believe is self-evident.
Anyway, I respect your wish to be out, so won’t engage further.
How the fuck could you know, just from a single picture? What, you know she isn’t?
I agree, it feels like most people never looked at pictures of couples before. Even if this is staged or photoshop there is no evidence of her being unhappy.