Police are yet to determine how the two-year-old got into the vehicle with cause of death under investigation
  • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    3 个月前

    Parenting pro tip: Once the car seat is installed, check it every time you leave the car. Even before the baby is born, even if you are currently holding the baby.

    • theherk@lemmy.world
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      3 个月前

      Every time I leave a bathroom I go right back in to make sure I flushed. I know I did, but I still do. Same idea, albeit lower stakes.

  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 个月前

    People, if there’s a child in the back seat, and it’s hot out… call the cops.

    If the child isn’t moving… pound on the window to try and rouse them. If you can’t…. Go to the opposite front window and break it.

    (You’ll have to be creative. It’s not easy to break automotive glass Something hard and concentrated. Or a big ass rock.)

    Also, probably preaching to the choir…. But….

    DONT LEAVE YOUR KID IN THE FUCKING CAR.

      • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 个月前

        We hope. Probably preaching to the choir, but even five minutes in 90+, it can get dangerously hot inside a car.

        Also, even if it’s not, there’s other dangers. It’s all around just not cool.

          • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 个月前

            I always assumed that was a notice to people stealing cars from the lot.

            You know. Make sure the car with the keys wasn’t left running cuz the kid was sleeping.

            Definitely don’t want the 3 kinds of hell for stealing a car with a kid in it. (Cops gonna totally blame you aren’t they PIT lil’ Tommy into the ditch.)

      • IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world
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        3 个月前

        Yes they are. And if you think you’re better than these people and couldn’t forget and have a slip up you are wrong.

          • lmaydev@lemmy.world
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            3 个月前

            They’re actually right. In most cases people simply forget to put a window down or sometimes that the kid is in the car.

            There’s also no need for ableist language like that.

            • rigamarole@lemmy.world
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              3 个月前

              Why leave the kid in the car at all? My kids go inside with me if the wife isn’t there wanting to stay in the car. Doesn’t matter if I’m going in a store for 2 minutes.

              The crazy thing is that the news here in the Midwest tells people each year to put something important, like their phone, in the car seat to remember the kid.

              • lmaydev@lemmy.world
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                3 个月前

                It’s usually they haven’t slept for days and the kid is asleep in the back.

                I saw one where they drove past their kids school and went to work.

                No one plans to do this. It’s not hugely common but it does happen.

                I was left at the supermarket once. These things happen. But sometimes the consequences are just much bigger.

      • AwesomeLowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        3 个月前

        They are. The people who do this? They are you and me and your neighbor.

        Check out this article: Fatal Distraction, it won a Pulitzer Prize. It’s about how the mind works and why this incident keeps happening over and over again.

    • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      3 个月前

      Skip calling the cops, if it’s hot break the window THEN call the cops, same for pets. In many places this is now the fully legal thing to do. If you wait even a little bit that can be the difference, you never know how close to death they are even if moving

      You can buy keychain tools for breaking windows easily, the trick is something hard and POINTY, really concentrated the force applied

      • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 个月前

        The reason to call the cops right off is so they get there faster.

        If the kid is going to die in the seconds it takes to make get them rolling, they’re probably going to die outside the car, too. On the other hand, the sooner they get there, the faster they get advanced care.

        Additionally, it provides a bit of legal protection, having dispatch on the phone.

        Also, not even animal control will break into a car- they let the cops do that. The last time I dealt with it the cops waited for them to make the call that it was necessary.

        There was a puppy in the back of an suv. The window was cracked but the puppy was in a dog crate covered in blankets. The car interior was just under the threshold at like 90 or something, but the crate when they did open it was at like 105. It was a little cocker spaniel that was the sweetest little cuddle-bug.

        The assholes left the dog in the back in 90-degree weather to go to a baseball game. The worst part is that they could go pick up the dog after paying a fine. That dog deserved better humans.

    • Cheems@lemmy.world
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      3 个月前

      Didn’t the Beatles make a song about how it’s perfectly safe to leave a living thing in a hot car?

  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
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    3 个月前

    Maybe we should require cars, since they are so big, to be reflective painted in such a way that they absorb less heat and passively dissipate heat.

    Idiot parents can only do so much.

    • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
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      3 个月前

      Maintain air circulation and air conditionning when living presence is detected in the habitacle maintain temperature compatible with life. If needed, crack the windows open automatically.

  • 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyzEnglish
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    3 个月前

    We created laws to require seat belts, maybe it’s time we create laws that require the manufacturers to install tech to detect kids and pets left in hot vehicles and alert the authorities or at the very least sound an alarm.

    • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
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      3 个月前

      Yeet-the-baby-tron™

      This brand new tech saves lives!!
      Upon detecting a small humanoid within the car after it has been locked the system automatically opens the sunroof & violently yeets the human at least 100m in a random direction to maximised it’s chances of getting some shade.

    • iAvicenna@lemmy.world
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      3 个月前

      I mean what about a big red panic button, if pressed starts sounding alarms while also opening the windows. Only works in immobile cars and turns off when long pressed. Done.

        • iAvicenna@lemmy.world
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          3 个月前

          I was imagining more the kind of situation where a kid manages to get in and can not get out again. For babies all you need to make sure is you are not an idiot.

            • iAvicenna@lemmy.world
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              3 个月前

              this was one long article but did read it. I have to confess my mental model was mainly a continued neglect and “the kid will be fine in the car alone for five minutes” and then forgetting the kid of situations. But a memory lapse without intentional leaving is apprently quite possible.

              “I was that guy, before. I’d read the stories, and I’d go, ‘What were those parents thinking?’ “

              Yea I am this guy, luckily I am not planning to make kids so I hopefully will never have to find myself in his shoes (and can keep making blatant generalizations :p)

    • Artyom@lemm.ee
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      3 个月前

      Seatbelts are simple. Aside from the big brother distopian nightmare this proposal enables, I’m not convinced such a thing it technically possible.

      • 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyzEnglish
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        3 个月前

        It’s more a question of money than feasibility. I’m pretty sure a couple manufacturers already have basic capabilities similar to this

      • jeffw@lemmy.worldOPM
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        3 个月前

        I can see the headlines about the first time it’s rolled out… all the headlines are short people being mad that they were flagged as kids

        • Artyom@lemm.ee
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          3 个月前

          Or the police officers who rushed on scene to find a bag of groceries in the back seat…after smashing a window…

      • Deello@lemm.ee
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        3 个月前

        PIR occupancy sensor + thermometer + window open sensor + seat occupancy sensor/scale + door lock/child lock sensor + decibel limit on microphone already in car

        Technically possible, yes. Most of the equipment is already there. It’s just a matter of tuning everything to work together to solve the specific problem. The bigger problem in my eyes is most people would treat this as a perfect solution instead of a last resort like what happened with Tesla’s FSD.

          • brygphilomena@lemmy.world
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            3 个月前

            That’s so much thermal mass. Very little other than the sun will have the energy output to do this. Certainly not in the time it would need to take to steal a car.

          • Deello@lemm.ee
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            3 个月前

            I’ve seen doors with motion sensor locks on the inside get defeated by vapes and inflatables. Make no mistake, this will get weaponized if implemented. It’ll be the Kia boyz all over again.

      • Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        3 个月前

        Aside from the big brother distopian nightmare this proposal enables

        A car knowing when I left a child in the backseat? Basically the same as my thoughts being censored by Big Brother.

        It’s my right and my freedom to let people I am responsible for die in a heatwave!

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
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        3 个月前

        Yup we should let preventable deaths happen just so you can feel an inch more private.

        Totally reasonable.

      • notapantsday@feddit.org
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        3 个月前

        It can be done in a way that does not affect privacy. If you lock your car while there’s still a person detected on the back seat, it will sound an alarm.

        • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 个月前

          The problem is with shitty zoning laws that enforce car-dependency – people wouldn’t be accidentally leaving their kids to die in hot cars if they didn’t need a car to get places to begin with.

          • Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            3 个月前

            Make people stupid, make people fat, they spend more money, can’t argue with that.

            World gets obese, world gets dumb, at least we made money, oh no we’re being burned to death by the sun.

    • Zahille7@lemmy.world
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      3 个月前

      Almost all modern cars (made in the last few years) have some kind of warning when you turn the car off and something is weighing down the backseat. My car has it.

      Though it’s possible to turn it off, I think it should be required to not be toggle-able.

      • Alexstarfire@lemmy.world
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        3 个月前

        As someone who has no kids and doesn’t transport kids, no thanks. I don’t need it going off because I have random stuff in the back.

        • Zahille7@lemmy.world
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          3 个月前

          Gee, I didn’t realize two little dings like every third time you turn off your car (if there’s something on the seat) was so damn annoying. In fact, I hardly notice it even when I’m hauling stuff, which is about half the time I’m in my car.

          It’s not like it’s the seatbelt warning that constantly goes off until you finally put on your seatbelt.

          • Alexstarfire@lemmy.world
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            3 个月前

            I just don’t like meaningless sounds because if you get used to ignoring them, they aren’t useful. You’ll just ignore it when it actually matters.

            Ever read stories where people get backed over by forklifts and such with the obnoxious backup sounds? It’s the same thing. They’re used to hearing and ignoring the sound cause it’s not around them. So when it actually matters it’s literally in one ear and out the other.

    • MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world
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      3 个月前

      Some cars have that already. I rented a Hyundai Elantra recently when my car was being serviced. It came with Rear Occupant Alert. Ultrasonic sensors can detect if there’s movement in the backseat when a driver exits the vehicle.

    • Grass@sh.itjust.works
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      3 个月前

      wasn’t there something about a car theft with the child in the car and the company wouldn’t give the police the gps access because the owner wasn’t subscribed? that would be all that happens for this because US and Canada suck at regulating things.

    • XIIIesq@lemmy.world
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      3 个月前

      Feasible in cities and large towns (if they have a reliable public transport infrastructure), not really feasible anywhere else.

    • psmgx@lemmy.world
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      3 个月前

      Lots of really hot climates, lots of cars, 3rd largest population in the world, and a very active news media.

      If India or Africa could afford cars you be hearing about it a lot there too.

      • BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee
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        3 个月前

        I don’t want to shatter your worldview or anything, but the continent of africa has in fact cars. Also a very hot climate.

        What they don’t have is american brain rot.

        • lennybird@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 个月前

          Let’s name a country. Let’s do a 1:1 comparison. I bet we can identify more logical factors than the whimsical notions of, “brain rot.” I bet we can also peel back some not-so-comfortable factoids about said country, too.

      • lorty@lemmy.ml
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        3 个月前

        I literally live in a country that’s hotter than the US and this rarely if ever happens. I’m not sure it’s just media bias.

        • JordanZ@lemmy.world
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          3 个月前

          The US is entirely built around car culture. Chances are you don’t get in a car for everywhere you go. In the US getting in a car to go virtually anywhere is unavoidable. This is a tiny percentage we just have so many more car trips per day than most counties.

        • AwesomeLowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          3 个月前

          So many possible factors. Family support allowing more sleep, less car-centric cities, less tradition of single parent transporting the kid around while on errands, etc etc.

  • Resol van Lemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 个月前

    It’s hot enough to cook an egg in there (I think), so please don’t cook your children too. They’re not food.

    • lmaydev@lemmy.world
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      3 个月前

      I wonder if that’s because it’s one of the most mentally draining ages.

      Often the parents forget about them rather than intentionally leave them with no windows open.

      • naun@lemmy.world
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        3 个月前

        I wonder if it’s because 2-year-olds are usually pretty noisy, so when they’ve fallen asleep, it’s easier to forget that they’re even back there.

    • Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca
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      3 个月前

      Probably old enough the parent thinks they’ll be fine on their own for a bit, but young enough to be a hassle to bring along on a “short” errand.