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- politics@lemmy.world
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- politics@lemmy.world
I am aware that this is one of those things that is so radically out of step with the media narrative that people will come in my comments and say “lol pure copium” “what on earth are you smoking to say something so wrong” “what you are DELUDED how can you even say something that is so RADICALLY DIFFERENT from what the New York Times assured me of”
All I can say is, you are welcome to. We don’t discriminate. Feel free to cite other polls including the ones that ask Trump voters as well as Biden voters whether Biden is too old to be president and other entertaining things other than who they’re going to vote for.
Also, yes, the debate was a pure horrifying shit show. So is getting convicted of 34 felonies, or electing the guy who wants to kill protestors and abolish the Department of Education, and contraception, and the EPA and NOAA, and ban teaching slavery, and a wide variety of other things that are literally too extreme to list without boring everyone and making me sound like a crazy person.
I can’t speak to polls, just myself, but I can’t vote for Biden – he seems borderline too old for the job now, it’d be painful to see an accelerated decline over the next four years.
Other people might be too old for that job at an earlier age, some at a later age; it’s a personal thing on how age effects a person and their abilities to do certain things. For him it’s getting past time.
And Trump is horrible for the reasons you list and more. Plus, if he gets in office removing him after is a worry.
I’ve always voted Democrat. I was for Bernie in 2016 and also wrote him in as a protest in 2020 (I was mad they made everyone bow-out at once and defer to Biden, and I recall thinking he was too old even then). Bernie is too old now even for throwing away my vote on another protest (he’s actually older than Biden, but again age vs. capabilities is a personal thing and even though he was looking good back in 2020, it feels wrong to vote for a guy in his 80s for a term no matter how good they seem.) I know that doesn’t matter because a write-in never wins, but I will always vote, and always vote for somebody I’d want for the job. I just can’t bring myself to vote ‘against’ somebody or feel I need to use my vote on one of the main people who actually have a chance to win. It’s just how I’m wired, and I don’t know how rare my broken thinking is, but I suspect it’s more common than most would guess.
So this time around, I don’t know. I hope someone else is there to vote for on top of Dem ticket instead of Biden, that’d probably be my pick no matter who it is. I might end up writing in Whitmer as a protest if not.
I disagree with you but respect your honesty - you don’t deserve the downvotes. I’m sure you’re not the only one jaded enough by this situation to cast a protest vote.
Just keep in mind that your protest vote effectively gives Trump a vote. His base might be stupid, but they do vote.
I know it’s broken thinking, like I said. Just sharing, doubt I’m the only broken voter out there. Voting for individuals I don’t actually want in office feels like negotiating with terrorists. I am what I am, and I have a feeling there’s too many Popeyes like me out there. I think Biden is one of the few that Dems could realistically put on the ticket that wouldn’t beat Trump.
To be transparent, Biden is not who I’d like to see in the White House either. Call it sunk cost or whatever, but there aren’t any actual candidates that have thrown their hat in the ring. So what do we do? Write in Whitmer? I think she’d make a great president, but I just don’t see it happening. After all, that would be a positive outcome.
Yeah it’s tough. Write-in is in a way throwing away my vote like I mentioned. I hope Dems put someone else on the ticket, or that somehow Biden wins if they don’t (really don’t see Biden winning though ☹️ )
I feel you. I don’t want him, but the alternative doesn’t even begin to compare. It’s a middle finger to the American people to field such candidates.
The polls do not agree with you
That’s one of the reasons they started writing idiot stories about Michelle Obama. They polled a bunch of other Democrats against Trump, and Biden did better than almost all of them, and they can’t write that story. Kamala Harris, though, actually beat Biden by a couple percentage points, and they definitely can’t write that story, because it’s a realistic and sensible pathway forward.
And so, like the bullies at the back of the class, they shouted out “nominate Michelle Obama!”, and the fucking idiots started taking it seriously and talking about it, while the bullies are trying to laugh quietly with each other behind their notebooks, because of how easy it is to play this game.
Hope it works out, pretty sure they won’t have Biden on the ticket, or if they do Trump wins. Hope Trump doesn’t win. We’ll see.
I don’t follow the polls or politics I have to admit. Pretty sure Biden wouldn’t beat Trump if he’s on the ticket, but I’m guessing Dems will figure that out soon and put someone else up. We’ll see I suppose.
Michelle Obama sounds bizarre, I know she’s generally liked and many Americans crave political family dynasties, but I got the impression back in the day she didn’t really like politics and wasn’t that into Barry even pursuing the presidency nor reelection. But again just an impression, I could be wrong, I’m admittedly a random asshole on the internet who doesn’t follow this stuff typically nor closely when I do.
You can make that same argument about supporting a candidate like Biden, who has demonstrated an inability to win in this election cycle.
Whoooooooosh
Its funny cus’ your the one being wooshed here.
If you think this is even apples to oranges, you are part of the “left’s” problem. I don’t see much point in interacting with someone who essentially just tried to both-sides this.
Or alternatively by insisting on running a candidate that is polling in the low 30’s, its you, in your “Blue Maga” thinking, thats the problem.
Its not this false dilemma and a departure from a fact based reality that you’ve convinced yourself the situation to be. We can pursue other candidates; it doesn’t hurt the party to do so, it helps them, and we can still win this: just not with Joe Biden.
Your denial-ism around the reality of the environment around Joe Biden, has been and continues to be the singularly most destructive thing to the Democrats chances electorally. You and your thinking aren’t just a part of the problem: they’re the entire problem.
You should leave all leftist and democratic spaces and join the other cult members in the Donald camp, because thats about where you are at.
Ok then buddy. You know nothing of my politics, which is expected as we don’t know each other.
This is all unprecedented, no? The incumbent was always the presumptive nominee. This incumbent is about as healthy as a mallard with a cold. That instills confidence (/s). I really don’t like Joe Biden. If I’m being honest, I don’t care for any of them. But we work with what we got. And until there’s is a viable alternative, this is who we got. I don’t like it. I don’t support it. But I have to tolerate it, if it means keeping that traitorous piece of shit away from Capitol Hill.
Of everyone, I’d like to AOC give it a go. But she would lose, because we can’t have nice things.
This is the false premise. You are just fucking wrong on this point along with the rest of Blue Maga. Biden can and will be made to step down. A viable alternative doesn’t enter the conversation until Biden is off the stage and if you keep fucking insisting we don’t have other options, you are basically insisting we get Trump.
This narrative thats been being forced, that you are forcing right now, is why we’re in this fucked position. Because of an uncritical, naive, stupendously stupid support for a candidate who can-not win. You plugging your nose doesn’t change the fact that Biden can’t win. Promoting him as if he’s the only option when he never has been the only option is fundamental to why democrats are losing this election as bad a the y currently are.
You need to come to grips with the fact that Biden can’t win this, and that are only option is to pressure him out and seek an alternative at the convention. Pretending we can just “suck it up” and vote Biden is precisely fucking why we are losing right now. Come to grips with a fact base reality ffs.
Have fun in the death camp
Maybe you’ll get lucky and it’ll “only” be illegalization of abortion and maybe birth control and porn, a ratcheting up by quite a lot of all the undemocratic shit that goes on at a state level to prevent fair elections, the functional end of fairly important things like the Department of Education or the EPA, and definitely not least of all, the end of any attempt at action on climate change, even the pitiful attempts at mitigation that are currently trying to prevent some of the most apocalyptic of outcomes.
Of course, that’s only the first four years. I think it’s fairly unlikely that four years of corruption of the judiciary would leave anything in place in terms of fair enough media and elections that we could get rid of the Republicans at any point going forward, until it gets so bad that there is a for real blood in the streets revolution and ensuing civil war.
But, you know, you didn’t have to vote for the old guy. I do understand how that could be upsetting.
You might not think so, but I think we’re on the same page, mild hyperbole aside. I just refuse to be forced to vote for somebody I don’t want to do the job, fundamental thing. I hope the Dems put someone else on the ticket, I guess we’ll see.
There was 0% hyperbole in anything I said. I was actually careful to draw a distinction between things I think are possible, things I think are likely, and things I think are virtually certain.
I know that in your mind, what I said was some kind of exaggeration to make a point. It wasn’t. That perception and the casual way you’re looking at this election is why you need to WAKE THE FUCK UP.
I believe you believe what you said completely. I shouldn’t have said ‘mild hyperbole’, that’s wrong since that would mean an intentional exaggeration.
I do think the biggest trouble Trump would cause if re-elected that we couldn’t address once he’s out is him not leaving. Feels like a too-high-odds deal of American electoral democracy ending with him. In that way I think Trump is a bigger issue than even your language conveys.
I have the luxury of throwing away my vote not living in a swing state, but I think others have similar voting instincts/morals/whatever that do live in those swing and near-swing states, and it will make the difference and let Trump in office ☹️ Right now I have to hope Dems will realize Biden wouldn’t win before it’s too late to replace him. That said, I bet they do the right thing; even with all the noise and biases in polls I think this is big enough where it’ll become apparent in the data in the coming weeks regardless, and I can’t see them going forward with what they will realize is a can’t-win candidate. They’ll wake the fuck up 🤞