Bad take. Biden clearly isn’t up for the job anymore. If it really was “just a cold” he would be out doing unscripted interviews and reassuring the public that he isn’t too confused to work after 5pm. The fact that he isn’t means his team thinks it’s more likely than not that he can’t actually convince the public that he’s still with it.
Putting someone else in is a risk but keeping him in is a bigger risk. Models are predicting a 60-70% chance of trump winning if the election was run today. This ignores that now the trump team and conservative media will now be pushing the age issue constantly. Who is going to be confident in Biden after he hides away from the public for the next few months and then drops out of the second debate?
Last, I’m deeply uncomfortable with the Democratic Party giving cover to a president that isn’t mentally fit for the job. There was so much talk about following norms and respecting the office of president while it was trump in the white house, but now some dems are openly saying they’re ok with Biden being controlled by his cabinet and family. Even if it all works out and Bidens cabinet runs the country for 4 more years it’s going to cast a long shadow on future elections where republicans can point to Biden as proof that democrats don’t respect the office and don’t even care if the nominee is competent.
Yeah there are some pretty frightening implications to all of this.
So they’re all saying that they’re ok with the president being a puppet but also having absolute authority? Sounds highly, highly abusable.
Who is saying both of those things? Everyone that would support Biden is strongly against Trump’s court’s ruling.
Are they? Almost no one is doing a damn thing in response, while also saying that they would be fine with Biden being president while in a coma. People are literally saying things like that all over the place.
I don’t think people with power to respond to the situation and people shit posting about Biden on the Internet are the same people
I’m sure you’re right. I’m sure that Biden’s cabinet that has been essentially running everything the whole time he’s been in office is just so ready to lose all of their power.
Are you even reading the things I’m saying?
I don’t think you understand subtext.
Putting someone else in is a risk
Again, what you mean to say here is “historically a 100% failure rate”.
Biden clearly isn’t up for the job anymore.
He’s currently in the job and things are going reasonably well. Do I wish he was more left wing? Yes, but he’s been more left than any POTUS during my lifetime. Do I wish he would stop supporting Israel? Absolutely, this is a huge mark against him.
Maybe we can argue that we can see the writing on the wall and we think he won’t be able to do the job, but to argue that he clearly can’t requires ignoring the reality.
Trump, on the other hand, we had 4 years of and that was a disaster that ended with people attacking the capitol. So if we can say we know any of them is not up for the job, it’s clear which way that should point.
Two things though
1 if he can’t get up and speak coherently for an hour at a time I’d argue he actually isn’t doing the job. Communicating clearly and responding to crises at all hours is crucial to the job.
2 there’s little proof that Biden is actually the one calling the shots even ignoring his lack of public appearances
There’s also little evidence he isn’t the one calling the shots either.
And normally absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence, but the total lack of transparency is a bad look for an administration that supposedly has nothing to hide.
- I’m a proof is in the pudding type of guy, and it’s been smooth sailing. You’re conjecture that he can’t lead us during a crisis is just that: conjecture.
- Again, I’m a proof is in the pudding guy. Whether he is actually running the administration is inconsequential: it’s doing well. So if he isn’t running it, then all the less reason to worry about re-electing him because if he is already hands off, then that’s proof his cognitive ability doesn’t really matter.
I don’t totally disagree with you, but the logical conclusion is that if we get trump again and he goes batshit crazy the dems aren’t going to have a leg to stand on regarding the 25th amendment.
I’m worried that the democrats are playing the short game again and we’re all going to suffer.
This is a weird position for a bunch of reasons.
First, you aren’t really challenging my claim. You’re just kind of stating it as a given that Biden is unable to serve and thus subject to the 25th amendment. My point is that there is no good evidence of this; you’re basing that just on a bad debate performance.
Second, there is no reason to assume that the next congress won’t be closely split. That being said, the dems will have no power to remove the POTUS via the 25th amendment. Hell, even if by some miracle they do get some massive majority in both houses, the VP still has to be on board for it. It’s not like the Dems can just invoke the 25th amendment on their own. That would require Republicans to do something. . .and if it is simply that “Trump goes crazy” well, good fucking luck getting 2/3rds of the house and senate to oust him. Never going to happen, the cult is just too entrenched and his lackies too beholden or afraid of the consequences of going against him.
It’s not just the debate performance, it’s the months of Biden being sheltered from any unscripted speaking, his relatively sparse interview schedule, the Hurr report, his refusal to do interviews following the debate, his refusal to take any kind of cognitive test, and reports that when he does do supposedly unscripted interviews his team has been feeding the interviewer questions.
I don’t have any way to know what goes on in biden’s head, but if the debate was a fluke then both Biden and his team have been acting very irrationally before and since.
On the other hand, if we assume his handlers are acting rationally then we can only assume that they believe his speaking ability has gotten so bad that even at this point putting him in front of reporters will only make his image worse.
Also the debate was pretty fucking bad. Don’t forget his team basically got everything they wanted in terms of no audience, cut microphones etc. and they had weeks to prepare. Biden should have been at his best for the debate and his best didn’t seem very good.
I don’t think we should fight fire with fire here. If the answer to Republican fascism is democratic fascism then I’m out
The DNC is a centrist party at best. Leftists have almost no representation.
I think a lot of people are overthinking this. She’s supporting Biden because as of today the battle is “over”
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/09/biden-house-democrats-withdraw-nominee
No use falling on swords anymore, apparently.
This is going to be awful though, as Biden is going to get demolished in another debate, and it’ll look terrible if he refuses.
- One House Democrat who was in both meetings said: “Most of our caucus is still with him … meaning he’ll stay in. Which sucks for our country.”
Pretty sure ballot rules and campaign finance laws are a big reason why it is too difficult to switch.
Harris would have access to the funds from their campaign, she’d essentially inherit Biden’s war chest. That’s part of why she’s the logical choice, she can actually use that money to hit the ground running in terms of spreading whatever message they need to get out in the event the candidate changes.
If democracy is at stake, and the threat of fascism is serious, they should change the rules and laws.
She is becoming mama bear sooner that I ever thought possible.
lmao hahahaha
Support Joe Biden and ranked choice.
Ranked choice implies the existence of casual choice
Choice can become harder once you go past 7 candidates.
Take note how all the world politics experts that were yelling “gEnOciDe jOe”, are now somehow experts on cognitive function and one’s ability to run a political cabinet.
Also take note how seemingly overnight- they all shifted their concern to beating everyone over the head with reports on how Biden isn’t up for the job- despite the fact that we all know that news media is in the business to profit from dumbasses that eat this shit up.
This is an obvious movement to disrupt the election. VOTE LIKE LIVES DEPEND ON IT.
Their narrative is that they don’t want an old man incapable of making speeches, yet they’re fine to see for a rapist felon that spent the entire debate lying his ass off.
VOTE!
I hope that the DNC is prepared to throw away yet another close election by insisting that running an 80 year old incumbent is better than literally anyone else. Their primary system is completely broken and so we will now be living perpetually subjugated to a small minority in this country.
To be fair “He is in this race and I support him” is like saying “He’s one of the candidates of all time”. It is a milquetoast, borderline sarcastic endorsement.
No kidding, because she knows he’s going to lose, but if he’s unwilling to step down it’s literally the only play she has at this point.
No one is going to come out and pretend Biden is some great candidate, because he’s not. No amount of fake-hype is going to change his chances.
You SEE the fallout from Project 2025 becoming mainstream?
I see the polling that matches up with every lost campaign going back decades.
Was this the same polling that said Hillary was going to win?
No, that polling was taken regarding a different person 8 years ago.
It’s what republicans do. Back your team. It’s one of their best plays to win.
Someone mentioned it in the thread about Elizabeth Warren supporting Biden. It isn’t odd that smart, anti-wealthy, and anti-Trump at all costs progressives are backing Biden, and wealthy Democrat donors and centrist Democrats are demanding change.
These people see the risk a new candidate would bring. The wealthy just want someone who reflects their image. Either candidate doesn’t really hurt their lifestyle.
It isn’t odd that smart, anti-wealthy, and anti-Trump at all costs progressives are backing Biden, and wealthy Democrat donors and centrist Democrats are demanding change.
The wealthy centrist Dems believe they’re in an excellent position to foist an even bigger turd on the party (I’ve seen Joe Manchin and Michael Bloomberg and - of fucking course - Hillary Clinton floated as “moderate” replacements to Far-Left Super Radical Joe Biden).
The younger and less influential (although hardly anti-wealthy - AOC is a prodigious fundraiser who represents one of the richest districts in the nation) politicians who have already stacked up political favors with the incumbent don’t want to see him casually replaced by an even more obnoxious neoliberal.
That doesn’t make Biden a strong choice. It doesn’t even make him an “anti-wealthy” choice (Biden was fully on board with the Wall Street bailouts under Bush and the Silicon Valley bailouts during his own term). It just makes him the “safe” choice for the AOC-aligned caucus, relative to an even more nakedly corporate convention insider pick.
Part of it has been that Biden has been implementing a lot of progressive policies. He may not be the perfect progressive candidate, but he is a lot better than other options.
Yet another reason why the wealthy class of the Democratic party wants him replaced.
She didn’t though, she dodged the question and the Boston Globe called it support. If she wanted to support him staying in, she would have said that.
Fuckos take the worst possible shot of AOC into the article. IDK what’s this mediaite site is, but they seem to present her position as stupid.
Look at how Donald is presented even in articles he’s criticized in.
Yeah the bias is immediately obvious, it’s not even their photo so they very deliberately chose this
Realistically, I’m not crazy about Biden, but if we wanted someone better we should have held primaries. Changing now is short sighted and won’t get us a more progressive candidate.
All we’ll get now is someone further to the right of Biden. It won’t be the electorate choosing a new Democratic nominee, it will be party insiders who choose someone even more out of touch than Biden.
but if we wanted someone better we should have held primaries.
Bruh …
Biden and the DNC is why we didn’t have a primary…
They’re the ones that prevented the primary. They’re the ones that decide if it’s Biden. And they’re the ones that would get to replace him.
They’re the fucking problem, why act like voters have any say in the process?
Do you think “we” as voters didn’t want a primary? It’s party insiders the whole way. And if you vote for Biden anyways, you’re saying “yeah, i liked how this worked just fine.” DNC screwed bernie twice, and RFK, Marianne, and Dean this time. Regardless of who you would back ultimately, the DNC removes all democracy from the process then says they’re saving democracy.
should have held primaries.
… cheerfully overlooking the fact that saying “we thought this was the guy 4 years ago but this other guy is definitely the one” has never gone well EVER?
It went so bad in 68, that we got Nixon.
If our goal this time around is “save democracy by not electing Trump”, is it fun to risk certain loss by switching?
Some seem to think Harris would be the presumptive nominee:
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/04/kamala-harris-replace-biden-2024-election
oh my god, you’re right! i totally forgot to schedule the primaries this year, sorry!
You must live in Tennessee.
though he was the only Democratic candidate to appear on the party’s Tennessee primary ballot.
Well, honey, hes losing his ability to communicate clearly just as he should be at that age. Youre support of him is laudable but you gotta think about whats best for the 81 yr old man. The presidency is the absolute most stressful position anyone can undertake. Someone hslf bidens age would find it hyperaging lead to health issues that would detrimentally affect his skills at the job. Bidens results will be worse for both him and us. He is just too proud to admit it. Calmerheads need to work on him to make him see that he is not able to hold the reins anymore and should be about enjoying a well deserved retirement. We need someone that has their fingers on the american pulse and the vigor to work with and for it. Someone like, well, AOC
AOC is still a hair to young to be eligible, but I would gladly take Jay Inslee, Gavin Newsom, or Beto O’Rourke. Hell, at this point I’d settle for Florida Man Jeb Bush if that’s what it takes to get swing voters on board.
(People like to shit in Beto, but he almost won Texas, which is more than any recent Democratic presidential nominee can say.)
She’ll be 35 on Election Day, no? And well before she would be sworn in? Plenty of reasons to say she shouldn’t run, but that one seems demonstrably false.
Maybe I agree with some of this comment. But that “honey” at the beginning comes off as pretty patronizing. At least, to me.
Yeah weird sexist vibes
If it saved this country from itself, I’d be willing for Biden to be chained and whipped in the oval office. We’re not deciding whats best for an 81 year old man, we’re deciding for the entire nation and even the international community especially with NATO on the line.
If we elect the 79 year old instead of the 81 year old, social security is going to get cut and ruin lives for millions of people over 65.
My heroine…
I probably shouldn’t. I work tomorrow…
Lmao, took me a minute to understand the joke.
I would rather have a Muppet for a President than white trash like Trump.
Fuck Trump. But also, I think with divisions the way they are, we have to be careful how we engage with our criticisms. And my problem with calling Trump “white trash” is layered. First, white trash has classically been used to denigrate lower class white folks. There’s more to unpack there than I want to tackle, but to oversimplify, I feel like it is unnecessarily classist and brings in race at the same time. I’m sure there are plenty of people who you could call white trash that aren’t racist, traitorous, scam artists. Also, I would consider Trump either not lower class, or a class traitor. And on top of that, it kind of seems like the least concerning thing about him. Him being cringe or gross or just generally repugnant is so 2016. We’re now in the midst of several global catastrophes that this animated blob of greed and hatred will almost certainly pour rocketfuel on.
Please don’t insult white trash like that.
