• ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    People forget that free speech also includes freedom of association. You can say what you want but others have the freedom to choose not to associate with you because of it.

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      1 year ago

      But freedom of association is used to justify racial discrimination, including segregation, so that doesn’t really work either.

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            Name a right you think has no limitation.

            I’ll find your limits (if you’re honest, which, given this is the Internet, is highly doubtful).

            Here’s a foretaste:

            “The pursuit of happiness…”

            If my happiness involves making other people miserable, well, either you’re a fucking sociopath for supporting it, or there is an intrinsic limit: “…provided you don’t interfere with the happiness of others.” And with that one safe-seeming limit, we open a can of worms in defining just the word “interfere” there.

            Still want to play this game?

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              All of them. Any that have any sort of limitation imposed upon the user by anyone automatically turns that right into a privilege granted to you by other people, and by extension easily removable by others at any time for any dumbass arbitrary reason.

              I know you’re going to say this means all rights are privileges. And you’re right. We don’t have any rights. We need them but don’t have them. This is how humanity has chosen to carry itself through this life, and the future. We lost the plot on rights a long time ago and we might not ever get them back.

              “The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.” ― H.L. Mencken

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                1 year ago

                Say you didn’t read and/or understand the post you’re responding to without using those specific words.

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                    1 year ago

                    I understood what you were saying. It was just 100% unrelated to what I said. Next time respond to what’s written before you, not to the voices in your head.