If you haven’t figured out yet he’s part of the establishment too
lol what did you expect? “too bad he missed”?
Considering the guy in question is being faced with rape/pedo/corruption allegations they could have probably just shut the fuck off and not saying a thing but i guess they must remind the public and his friends in power where his alliance lies
i have seen yoga classes with less stretching
exactly, no sane public figure, regardless of their actual thoughts, is going to publicly support the assassin, that’s how you land on all watch lists before you even hit post tweet, that’s how you cripple your influence and any chance at changing things
It’s these things that really make me worry that Lemmy is too left, or at least too authoritarian-left.
I feel like I couldn’t be more left without descending into lunacy, I agree with the spirit of these things, but boy do people really like to take it too far.
There are two wolves inside me, one wants to murder fascist dictators and the other believes that violence is bad. If this metaphor continues any longer I’m sure the 2nd wolf will be shot
It’s these things that really make me worry that Lemmy is too left, or at least too authoritarian-left.
Lemmy is so crazy left that being here makes me doubt the leftist opinions I’ve held for most of my life. Social media sucks, with or without a mega corporation behind it.
My conservative 70 year old grandma hates Trump and says she’s surprised he hasn’t been shot every time he’s mentioned, and she’s been saying it since 2018. She hates trans people and she’d still be on the same side as the people in this thread saying “too bad he missed”. The people saying political violence is bad are further right than anyone I’ve ever met in meatspace.
the problem is you can’t defeat fascism by murdering fascist dictators. or even by them committing suicide like that failed artist bitch boy did. he may have lost the war but fascism clearly survived, even won WW2.
Oh totally, I agree with you. I just also understand the blind righteous fury that a lot of these guys have
Regardless of your personal opinions, there was pretty much nothing else Bernie was going to say, other than perhaps nothing.
Nothing can be a very powerful thing to say. I wish he had said nothing.
Why can’t he say “shame the shooter missed”?
Because openly expressing your desire for Republican leaders to die will radicalize base Republicans, which will result in them either committing more terror attacks, or for them to even start demanding a newly elected Trump to be even more far right than he’s already expected to be.
Radicalising republicans is worth radicalising democrats. Republicans will radicalise themselves anyway, democrats need to be radicalised now.
This makes it sound like non-political violence is acceptable…
It totally is in the US. Most politicians completely support NRA lobbyists and a best give mild lip service to gun control while the violence rages on. Did you think they gave a shit about non political violence?
Now let’s see who Trump blames for it
Technically it is Trump who has proved that Biden could legally have this done.
The violent, radical left, of course.
Well the guys instagram says he is anti-facist… literally. So I would expect you are correct.
He was a registered Republican.
Biden should just claim responsibility… he is immune according to trumps supreme court
He won’t actually do anything, so why would he claim responsibility for something he didn’t do? What he should do is have trump arrested for treason, which he has certainly committed hundreds of times.
I really think that we need to be better (at aiming)
I’m suddenly reminded of the games Democracy 3 & 4.
This is the correct response.
The politically correct response.
I agree completely. The amount of people wishing for a certain different outcome around this incident is depressing to me.
You don’t think Trump’s political views are more depressing?
“Political violence is absolutely unacceptable”
Let’s not forget, trying to remove access to health care is an act of violence that will cause people to die. Restricting access to women’s health alth care is an act of violence that will cause people to die. Outlawing gender affirming care is an act of violence that will cause people to die. Appointing judges to support these policies - and those judges writing opinions enabling those policies as well as opinions restricting environmental regulations - are acts of violence that will cause people to die. Locking migrants in cages is an act of violence that leads to people dying. So why are those acts of violence acceptable but this one is not?
You might say that none of them are acceptable. But let me put it another way. Law enforcement shot and killed the perpetrator of this act of violence and we as a society deem it reasonable and justified. But why shouldn’t we do the same thing for this guy?
And the answer is: we should.
Liberals would rather literally die than admit they are complicit with fascism. As long as there’s some “other” being killed, they won’t give a shit. Whether it’s blacks, immigrants, minorities, LGBT.
They don’t give a shit about you as long as they get their daily Frappuccino.
I hope this is a wake up call for many.
Liberals would rather literally die than admit they are complicit with fascism. As long as there’s some “other” being killed, they won’t give a shit. Whether it’s blacks, immigrants, minorities, LGBT.
Okay bro you obviously live in a made up fantasy world.
hope this is a wake up call for many.
Nope!
Not for any of the weirdo liberals who think that “the high road” is where we should be with fascists who are drooling non-stop with the idea of a second Civil War.
History doesn’t repeat, but it does rhyme.
He killed over a million people during covid.
Sad. The only appropriate response is to tell Trump and his GOP toadies to get over it. This is the situation they created. This is the natural consequence of reactionaries and lax gun control. They shat this bed and they absolutely deserve to drown in it.
Why didn’t he pull out his gun and fire back?
The best response is exactly his response. He’s better then Trump, so he acts like a better person by not saying stupid shit like Trump does. Although I’m sad the shooter missed, political assassination is always bad, and likely will work in Trump’s favor. If Trump would have died, another even more radical replacement would have benefitted from it. There is no positive outcome from a political assassination. Trump will either get more support or become a martyr.
Something everyone must remember is there can always be someone worse than the current big bad. The universe finds a way.
Wasn’t the shooter stopped by good guys with guns? So everything is working as they’d like it to.
actually, yeah. this is exactly how it turns out when good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns
let’s send a big truckload of thoughts and prayers to the republicans over it!
Lot of tech workers in here who claim to deeply need political violence, while also being unable to leave their own home for a job or to pick up groceries.
Uninformed ad hominems sure are fun, aren’t they?
I wouldn’t know, but I guess I can take your word for it.
Look Bernie, you would have been a great president but cut the crap.
Political violence was unacceptable because he is white in a western country. He’s a clear danger to the states, global stability, human rights and environmental progress. If he was in Iraq 4 countries would have already tried.
You know what, I fucking wish Biden ordered it. Then it would not even have been a crime.
I think it should be easily defendable in court - clear danger to States democracy - even if it wasn’t Biden.
It sets an incredibly dangerous precident- but so has every Trump has already done and wants to do.
Look in his defence He is also a politician and doesn’t want to be shot And even if he was for political violence it would be terrible press for him to say it
If you are in this thread hand-wringing over how this is going to rally the right and make trump a martyr, fuck right off. Man up and be ready to defend the righteous act of violently pushing back against goddamn fascist fuckwads. Violence is THE ONLY REASONABLE RESPONSE. If you think it isn’t, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG.
He’s wrong. That’s okay, he can’t be right about EVERYTHING…
