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          I imagine they’re referring to Peterson misgendering someone using him/her, perhaps the Elliot Page debacle. A stupid and unrelated comment, to be sure.

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            I think people were just aware that he made inappropriate comments about Elliot’s breasts, called him a sinner, and called his physician a criminal, before absolutely losing his shit and having a very public meltdown about getting his tweets removed for being harassing and derogatory.

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              He gained traction by openly fighting against forced speech in the form of ‘personal pronouns’. He used ‘he’ to adress a male-to-‘female’ trans person and people lost their minds, which is quite funny now that you all make fun about “three letters”.

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                One is actually backed by every single major medical and psychological institution in the country and has been consistently studied by the medical field for a century, the other is people upset by a word that isnt even derogatory

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        The only bitch in here is the person trying and failing to defend Jordan Peterson. I just can’t believe I actually saw one of his ten fans in the wild. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is one of his alts.

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      Imagine needing to other someone so badly that you have a tantrum because someone created a name for the “default” category. Peterson views trans people as so subhuman he doesn’t even want there to be a word for non-trans people.

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    Is the term ‘cis’ an insult now? Or am I not spending enough time reading people whining over politics?

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      Culture war nonsense. Try not to spend much time at all if you can.

      They’ll pick anything to get more airtime. I remember them going after Jill Biden for using the prefix Dr but not in the medical sense.

      They don’t believe the words they’re saying and playing this fake intellectual debate to keep attacking the liberals.

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      Bigoted reactionaries, like Elon and Jordan, want to make cis a slur so they can ban its usage and prevent inclusive vocabulary. They’re not actually offended by it.

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        They’re not actually offended by it.

        I’m not too sure about that. Some people just want something to be offended over and end up making stuff up so they can be upset.

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      You see, “cis” implies the existence of “trans” and some people just really don’t like the fact that they exist. Despite the it being fact.

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      Transphobes have been trying to turn it into one for a while, so they can play victim about it.

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          Thats not what it means though, and I’m willing to wager most people upset about it know that. If someone is offended by how qn adjective sounds…I truthfully cant really say anything to that

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          The biggest thing I can think of is it sounds like sis. As in sissy.

          Yeah. I can’t really control how a word sounds, though, and if you’re triggered because it sounds like “sissy”, that’s due to toxic masculinity, which is still a you problem. I’m not your therapist.

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          Time to revert to the old Latin pronunciation of /kis/ and start calling Peterson specifically “keesgender”

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      Not really, but there are some particularly crazy/militant/extreme people in the left and trans community who use it like it is.

      Often not on it’s own, usually in phrases like “cishet white male”. Usually implying that the simple existence of this particular combination of uncontrollable personal traits is inherently problematic. Sometimes outright stating it. Sometimes literally calling for genocide or eugenics, or saying that it is entirely impossible to be a cishet white male and also be a good person.

      It’s the type of behavior that young men see that drives them into shit like Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, etc.

      I’d imagine the people saying these things think it is fair or payback for the sexists, racists, bigots, etc that call for the same for their group. Payback for the reprehensible behavior they have had to endure. Hearing similar things directed at them may have driven them into the arms of extremist shit stirrers on their side.

      Makes for a shitty, shitty cycle of reciprocal attack on people defined as “other”.

      Personally, I don’t think the target makes a difference. It’s reprehensible behavior either way. Go find a healthier output for your hurt. There are times where being the bigger person or taking the high road is not effective, but that should never be the assumed default or a situation to look forward to.

      All that said, anyone arguing that those extremists are somehow leaders in the wider community is more interested in fanning the flames than anything else.

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      It was meant as an insult, sort of. It was meant to reverse the verbal power dynamic in calling someone trans.

      It was meant to make the oppressor feel oppressed and learn from the experience.

      But CIS bigots go full on victim mode without the “oh is this what it is like for you” empathy moment that some people can experience.

      Republicans only can empathy for their children and then Republicans can only feel empathy if it happens in the open and their peers talk about it. Then all the sudden the Republican is heartfelt in their sorrow for their personal ratings dip.

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        It’s very simple. You have a word for somebody whose gender identity is different from what they were assigned at birth; so, you also need a word for the opposite of that (somebody whose gender identity is the same as what they were assigned at birth). And no, you can’t just call those people “normal”.

        The word wasn’t created in order to reverse a power dynamic or make an oppressor feel oppressed. It was created because you needed a word there.

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          Backing up the “normal” part of your comment. What’s normal anyway? What’s deemed to be normal by society. So of course you need a term. Especially in an age where people are informed enough and primed to know about these subjects compared to 10ish years ago. Claiming that CIS is exclusionary is so silly

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        It never occurred to me that was the intention. It is quite funny when people get together to come up with some clever idea but forget to tell the target audience. I saw it, understood it meant “not trans,” and moved on. I also don’t get involved in a ton of gender discussions. There seems to be an over abundance of focus on it for reasons unclear to me.

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      Because it can be used as an exclusionary term to minimize cis voices. Stay with me, this isn’t going where you think.

      When trans folks engage in community discussions, it’s very typical for cis people to insert themselves into the conversation so they can tell trans people who they are and aren’t, what they should and shouldn’t do. This actually happens with a lot of minority groups hoping to have serious discussions in public. Black folks hear about all lives matter or black-on-black violence, atheists here from religious proselytizers, etc.

      So when trans folks - very rightly - let cis people know not to talk over them in their own communities, bigots believe -very wrongly- that their rights are being abused. Therefore the conclusion that “cis” is “discriminatory.” See also “anti-white racism” “Men’s Rights,” etc.

      All of these grievance perspectives are based on real-world difficulties, but provided without context. There are certain specific situations where it may be disadvantageous to be male, white, and cis. But those specific circumstances are not a part of systemic bias. If you don’t care about context, and you don’t care about systemic bias (particularly because it tends to benefit you), it’s easy to view these isolated situations as a cause for victimhood.

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    The other side of his comment is that he is willing to be pulled into a physical struggle over being labeled a gender.

    What a weakass anti-philosopher / anti-therapist.

    Patient: “Doctor, I feel like my coworkers are labeling me … what should I do ?”

    Dr Peterson: “Have you considered beating them to death ?”

    what a fucking loon

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      Peterson is a moron, but I also don’t like the word cis. If people are allowed to be called what they want to be, then if they want to be called straight, that should be fine

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          I don’t really get the distinction. Either way, if I say I identity as a straight white male, that should be sufficient enough for everyone to understand and move on.

          I afford the same courtesy to all my LGBT brothers and sisters. I call you as you wish to be addressed.

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            Calling someone cis basically just mean that they are not trans. Generally speaking a straight white male may or may not be cis.

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            Well, not getting the distinction is pretty important. People can’t discuss an issue without both understanding the definition of terms, or we’d just be speaking different languages to each other.

            Cis and trans are both Latin prefixes.

            Trans- is a Latin prefix meaning “across”, “beyond”, or “on the other side of”.

            Cis- The prefix “cis-” comes from the Latin meaning “on this side,” as opposed to “trans-” which means “on the other side of” or “beyond.”

            So all cisgender means is not transgender. Or transgender means not cisgender. Neither are insults that should offend, and if one does, it might be a viewpoint thing.

            You are, presumably, a homo sapiens sapiens. We don’t use that term generally, and just call you human. However, both are correct labels, and they aren’t insults. If there were homo neanderthalensis around still, the distinction may come up in conversation for various reasons, and that’s when it’d be necessary to have the different labels.

            Straight or gay/bi/lesbian/pan/ace/demi etc are all talking about something completely different, which is your sexual orientation. Calling you straight when we’re discussing whether you are cis or trans would be like calling you lotion or something when talking about your species. Lotion isn’t a species, so it’s pointless to the conversation, and just plain wrong.

            You could of course request to be called lotion, but it’s a confusing title if someone was discussing your species, especially medically, in socially (as in social issues or norms for your species), issues that pertain to your species, medication, etc.

            Now, here is where I might be skirting close to accusing you of something, but if possible, please just think deeply about it. Why is CIS unacceptable but straight acceptable? Is it possible that CIS makes you not feel “normal” as a label, while straight does?

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            A women which transitions to male can also be a straight white male, but they are not cis.

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            I believe the above point is that cisgender (cissexual) is a term for one who identifies as their birth sex, as opposed to transgender.

            It’s not defining of your attractions and isn’t an opposite of “straight”.

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      I actually have. Mind I don’t have a problem with the word in particular but I’ve read it used as a slur on the Internet and in real life.

      It’s all about intention imo. Many people use it just to clearly communicate but some also use it with hatred.

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          It is not. There are many queer people that were wronged by society. It is understandable why they would have hatred in their hearts.

          But I guess I’m just a liar on the Internet. Have a nice one.

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          The only time I’ve seen it as an insult was on Tumblr. And then the phrase, “cisgender shitlord,” was eventually added to the meme pile, too

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        That sounds sensible on first thought…but it’s easy to find slurs that are for non-oppressed people’s.

        The French, for example.

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          It’s not sensible in any way, you can have slurs for anyone.

          Someone not being oppressed doesn’t make them suddenly incapable of being oppressed or held down.

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        Any word said with enough hatred is a slur

        Of course that being said I’ve never ever heard cis used like that either

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        A slur is any word that is used to insult someone based on their immutable characteristics (race, gender, sexuality, religion, ableness, etc.). There is NO requirement of oppression.

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          Extremely shallow analysis, certain words have a much different history than others and theres a lot of bad faith implications going on herea

          Would you say cracker and the nword are on the same level?

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      Maybe it’s just factually inaccurate and he doesn’t want there to be anyone mistaking him as cissexual.

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    i don’t know what’s more pathetic: a) that a grown ass man still makes /c/iamverybadass threats on the internet; or b) that there are grown ass men who actually think he’s tough

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      It wasn’t Botox tho, right?

      Like the dude who’s all about “personal responsibility” couldn’t man up and make it thru benzo detox got put in a coma to avoid it in a eastern European hospital because no one else would risk it

      Then they couldn’t bring him out of the coma and he got brain damage.

      But did he really get Botox in the brain to intentionally cause the coma?

      Like, that just sounds even more insane…

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        A coma to avoid benzo detox?

        I mean, I guess that’s one way to skip it.

        I’d personally just let the docs provide me stuff to deal with the symptoms along the way, it’s not like it’s going to be any quicker

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    I’m of two minds:

    1. I find the ‘cis’ label offensive. That’s my right.
    2. I find this guy offensive. That’s also my right.
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      Do you find all the other labels that can be used to describe yourself offensive, or just this one?

      Like are you offended by being called a human or homo sapien? Are you offended by being described by your skin color or race? Sexual preference? I just find it weird to single out the one label for no apparent reason.

      How would you suggest we describe people that aren’t trans or non-binary in a way that wouldn’t offend you for whatever reason? As uncomfortable as it may be for you, gender identity is a thing, and the rest of the world is going to use that word to describe people. It would probably be best for you to just get over it.

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        Why are some women unhappy with being referred to as female? It’s biologically accurate, yeah? Obviously can’t be offensive.

        You understand why some people find being called cis a problem, you just don’t want to accept it ideologically. That’s fine. Don’t try to drag others to your viewpoint for bullshit reasons.

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          I understand that some women don’t want to be called female when they are not cisgendered.

          I just don’t understand why a cisgendered person would have a problem being referred to as such, unless they were unsure if they were cis, or were bothered by the topic of gender identity as a whole.

          If its the former, than I can understand, but if its the latter, then that’s a you problem, and I don’t care if you are offended being called cis.

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            I think it’s mostly about how it’s used, yeah? Nobody calls me cis in real life. 40+ years and it hasn’t come up. The only time I see it used is derogatively.

            I don’t mind - I have strong opinions about letting peeps vent, but I can see why others find it negative.

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              The only time I see it used is derogatively.

              Give a few examples, please.

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            The going line is that “female” is for animals, “woman” is for human women, and if you say “female” you’re an incel bigot who should die. They also often say “you’d never say ‘male’ to refer to men” but I actually do that all the time, to the degree now if I don’t want to be bullied unnecessarily I have to say things like “My male friends don’t care what I call them, but my fem- [backspace] woman friends are very particular about verbiage.”

            It’s weird, but what can ya do.

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            I don’t agree with the concept of gender. Therefore, I object to being referred to as “cis” or “trans”. I have a sexed body and a brain within it that does brain things.

            No, I don’t identify as agender either. That still is part of the concept of gender.

            Downvotes or deletion in 3…2…1…

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            The problem I’ve seen with being called “female” is when a speaker uses “men” for one set of people and “female” for another, in the same context. It feels gross, like they don’t see women as fully human. It feels much less bleck when a speaker uses “male” and “female”.

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            Why would a trans woman have any more problem with being called female?

            Male/female have a usecase of being used to try to distance oneself from the subjects of your sentence and often used in more scientific or legalistic styles and can come off as dehumanizing as a result.

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              Ah, I see ehat you are saying. I understand the connotations of referring to someone as female directly, and I would never do so.

              There are times where female is more proper to use, such as in medical settings, or as a descriptor in certain settings, e.g. ‘female hygiene products’. Some trans males and enbys would still be bothered by seeing the word ‘female’ in the proper setting, too.

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      I find your finding of the cis label offensive to be offensive. That’s my right.

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      Reasonable, nobody should have to accept a label they don’t ascribe to themselves.

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        Bruh. We use labels to sort shit. Abstraction is how we deal with complexity. Choose your own labels, but how others see you isn’t up to you. You’ve got no ownership of other peep’s heads.

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          I don’t care what’s in your head just keep it to yourself. No-one wants to get misgendered, no-one wants to get mislabeled.

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      It literally means “not trans” my dude. Do you get offended when people call you human?

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        I think it’s disingenuous to argue that is the only usage of it. Plenty of words have colloquial meanings. There’s plenty of assholes out there who use it venemously. Like a racist saying “He’s black” when they mean the n word. “Fuck off and die, cishet!”

        There has been a lot of shit on Twitter and Tumblr outright calling for genocide of cis people. Forced sterilization. Saying that if you are a cis white male you inherently are a bad person. A rapist. Etc. Etc.

        It’s bullshit lashing out, and doesn’t truly amount to anything. That said, it can wear on you to be vilified for what you were born as, for things you can’t control.

        Huh, imagine that.

        It strikes me as particularly ridiculous when this is brought up, there usually are a lot of responses along the lines of “Well now you know what we’ve dealt with!” “Poor majority person is suddenly hurt when they’re treated the same way they’ve been treating the rest of us” etc.

        I don’t think many people miss that point. But it’s still a shitty thing to do, and it can feel like gaslighting attempts when reasonable people make responses like yours.

        “Negro literally means black, do you get offended when people call you the color of your skin?” … let’s start the countdown to people falling over themselves to say it’s not the same. It isn’t the same, but the parallels should give you pause. Hopefully cause some thought.

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          Those people are going to do the same thing regardless of what the word is. What you’re asking for is just to put it on the euphemism treadmill

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          Does that mean that if enough of a minority of people use a neutral word with ill intent, other people should be careful of using that word? For instance, if a bunch of racists started using the word “black” venomously day and night for months, should everyone else start considering the word “black” to be a slur? What if it’s a term that’s otherwise used by scholars with ample consensus? And if there’s no other other to refer to it, and by avoiding it, you cannot refer to the concept at all?

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            Welcome to the minefields of communication and the euphemism treadmill.

            I’m not saying we let the assholes win. Keep using it as the original meaning, offset those who would use the term otherwise.

            I just wanted to add some important perspective as to how and why some people could view it as being used as a slur. Less “don’t use this term”, more “If someone gets offended when you use this term, don’t be condescending to them about the literal definition, bear in mind the term is also used in very negative ways”

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            That sounds like you’ve described the euphemism treadmill, like how moron was a medical term before it was an insult.

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          I might take a while to respond to this since I’m at work and theres a lot to respond to, but unlike the other commenter who just lashed out, I actually intend on responding to this, it just will take a while

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          “There has been a lot of shit on Twitter and Tumblr outright calling for genocide of cis people. Forced sterilization. Saying that if you are a cis white male you inherently are a bad person. A rapist. Etc. Etc”

          Believe me I know how crazy people on twitter can get, and I’ve definitely seen those crazies in action. But they are going to act crazy towards their chosen scapegoat for their problems regardless of the word we’ve chosen to describe those people.

          “It’s bullshit lashing out, and doesn’t truly amount to anything. That said, it can wear on you to be vilified for what you were born as, for things you can’t control.”

          I 100% understand and empathize with this and will not argue or counter it in any way. I mean no gaslighting and I apologize if it feels like what I said was heading in that direction.

          On your last point: for a while Negro WAS the appropriate word to use, and now it’s Black (or if you’re American “African American”) and while it isnt appropriate anymore, we have a word that is that fills its usecase. People dont Identify as Cis (and on that point most dont identify as trans), they identify as Male/Female/etc, and cis and trans are categories based on whether your identity matches your sex or not. As of right now, cis is the word we have for when it matches, we dont really have any other words in common parlance that describe that in 1 word, and further the extreme end of Tumblr and Twitter doesnt care which word we use when they dehumanize the percieved majority, they are going to continue being assholes to those they dont feel dont place on their oppression heirarchy regardless of the word we use

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            100% agree.

            I’m not trying to stop anyone from using the term. Just trying to offer some perspective as to why it can mean more than the direct dictionary definition to some people.

            Generally it doesn’t matter, but it’s something to keep in mind when someone takes the usage of the term negatively. Don’t immediately assume they’re taking offense because they’re transphobes. Jordan Peterson is, but there’s going to be a non-zero amount of people out there where their main exposure to the term “cis” is where it was being used negatively.

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        Female literally means egg holding human. Do peeps get offended being called female?

        Oh shit. Is language fucking social? Jesus. Motherfuckers think gender is social but language is concrete apparently.

        FOH

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    I don’t understand why some people get so bent out of shape over the term cisgender. Latin prefixes are even more common in English than abbreviations like AMAB.

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      It’s just transphobia. If you don’t have cis (wo)men and trans (wo)men, then you just have (wo)men and trans (wo)men, which implies that trans (wo)men are not (wo)men.

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        Got it. I didn’t understand because they make it seem like it’s an insult to be called cisgender. They’re actually just upset that it removes an avenue of bigotry.

        Fucking gross.

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            I live in a conservative area and when I’m at the bar I sometimes hear people using the term “liberal” as a slur. I kinda makes me laugh, but also makes me a bit sad.

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              I tend to think that conservative is actually a description for limited cognitive means. Progress in any form or shape needs liberal thinking as you wouldn’t find any progressing features by thinking inside the box. Ergo conservatism is inherently the bane of progress. Labeling yourself, proudly even, is just a tell-tale sign that you’re either cognitively limited or afraid of progress. The weird part though is that conservatives lacked the drive to counter the idea that reactionary or regressive thinking people (i.e mostly fanatics or fascists,monarchists ) may be called conservative. They are not by the definition of the word itself

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      The reasoning is simple: it’s just straight up transphobia. The term “cis” is just a neutral descriptor to pair with “trans” with no implication of being right or wrong. They’re mad at the existence of a term for the majority that doesn’t imply an insult to the minority.

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        Thanks. Another commenter pointed that out. They’re not really taking offense to the term so much as objecting to the concept of alternative genders.

        There’s no reason to challenge the term otherwise. Cis is Latin for “on this side of” and trans is “across, beyond, or on the other side.” There’s really nothing objectionable about either prefix.

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      As someone who used to think it was an offensive term, it’s likely ignorance and because it’s often used in a deragatory and dehumanizing way on the internet.

      At first I didn’t know what cisgendered or cis meant, but I definitely saw it used to describe a group of people non-cis folks didn’t like very much. Of course I eventually learned, but still had a bit of a distaste due to the initial impression.

      Also, I always saw “cishet” as a cheeky way of saying “cis shit” because it was also often used negatively in the places I originally came across the term. Once someone explained it in a comment section I finally understood it wasn’t hateful terminology but instead descriptive.

      You can’t stop someone from being negative but at least knowing what the words are meant to mean can help identify a bad person rather than bad word.

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        Interesting. I didn’t have that experience myself, but I’ve definitely seen those types of comments. I absolutely understand how that could leave a bad impression. I’ll be more mindful of educational opportunities when having discussions about it in the future. Exposure and understanding are the enemies of bigotry.

        Thanks for the insight!

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        At first I didn’t know what cisgendered or cis meant, but I definitely saw it used to describe a group of people non-cis folks didn’t like very much. Of course I eventually learned, but still had a bit of a distaste due to the initial impression.

        How long was this “eventually”? I feel like it should be a couple minutes to search and land on the Wikipedia page.

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          Hmm maybe longer that it should have been, but do you really expect everyone to search for something instead of inferring the meaning based on context?

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              I’m gonna be real with you. I do the same shit. I don’t understand something? Well, I have a phone on me so unless it’s horribly complicated I’m about to understand it.

              We aren’t normal in that respect. Most people are happy with their ignorance, or at least that’s my observation so far.

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        Bigots often have a problem with being accurately described because gaslighting is part of the strategy. Useful ignorants provide cover.

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          Look, I’ve never been anti-gay or anti-trans, but this kind of attitude isn’t winning over the people who are in the middle.

          I’m talking about generalizing and stereotyping type statements that, even if you aren’t homo/transphobic, feel like they’re targeted at you. When someone says, to give a hyperbolic example, “cisgendered white men are bigots”, they are not actually referring to all cis white men. But if you’re cis and white, you now know they assume you’re not a good person by default.

          Tribalism is never the way.

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        Where were you seeing this online? (How much can I blame cursed social media algorithms feeding you bullshit?)

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          Reddit was where I came across that the most. I don’t use much social media so my exposure is relatively small.

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    Doubtful that Kermit Peterson was giving honest tactical advice to the left here, but he does have a point: “cis” is pretty bad branding when the biggest social group that slows down trans rights is the red-meat alpha-male boomers for whom “sissy” was the ultimate insult of their teenage years.

    Petty and eyeroll-worthy? Yeah. Also an unforced error on the part of trans rights? Probably.

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      It’s literally the Latin counterpart of “trans” nobody in the trans rights community decided on that word. Trans in Latin means “on the other side of” and Cis means “on this side of”. Cisgender - Transgender