If the best rebuttal that Democrats have to any argument is “that’s what a Russian troll would say!”, then they deserve to lose.
Also, don’t you realize that you’re making Russia look good? If the only options are supporting genocide or being a Russian asset, I’d choose being a Russian asset.
If the only options are supporting genocide or being a Russian asset
So about those Ukrainians. Or is genocide, like imperialism, only bad when America does it?
I dunno man. It’s definitely getting repetitive, but when we know that there is a substantial Russian disinfo machine out there and support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine is such a consistent theme in these people AND Putin is one of the major beneficiaries of the general turn towards right-wing authoritarianism (because when our politicians say and do the same things it legitimizes those antidemocratic elements of his own regime), it’s not an unfair connection to keep drawing.
The most compelling argument to not call them Russian troll farmers would be for them to simply stop saying all the things a Russian troll farmer would say.
when we know that there is a substantial Russian disinfo machine out there
But… is there? I mean, I know Russian disinformation exists, but could you really say it’s “substantial”? It seems to me that Russian disinformation couldn’t be even 1% as damaging as the disinformation put out by Fox News or Donald Trump.
Why is there all this concern about foreign disinformation when the most damaging disinformation is coming from within America? (And remember, Donald Trump’s political ascent was built on “Obama is a secret Muslim born in Kenya”.)
It seems to me that the main reason we hear so much about foreign disinformation is because it’s a boogeyman to stop you from questioning your country’s narratives.
“Remember: Anyone who questions America’s narratives is a foreign agent! If you ever start to think maybe your country’s narratives are wrong, you’re being duped by foreign agents.”
Also, the influence of Russian trolls on Lemmy is definitely overstated. As far as I can see, anything that doesn’t sound like it came from the mouth of a Democrat gets downvoted into oblivion.
People aren’t attributing all opposition to trolls, only the stuff that very clearly aligns with Russian/CCP/Israeli narrative building.
Jimmydoreisalefty is clearly a propaganda account. The amount of posts they aggregate daily is itself sign that this isn’t just some guy. There was no eamp up with that account either, it literally appeared on lemmy and started blasting 20-30 posts aday.
The account’s also hours of activity as suss as well.
only the stuff that very clearly aligns with Russian/CCP/Israeli narrative building.
But to them, that’s almost everything. They think every opinion that doesn’t align with the Democrat official party line is harmful to Biden’s reelection, and therefore beneficial to Russia or the CCP.
If you thought last week that Biden should be replaced, you got called a shill. If you think today that Biden shouldn’t be replaced, you’re called a shill. If you supported Kamala for president last week, you got called a shill. If you don’t support Kamala for president today, you’re called a shill.
If you support voting third-party, shill. If you say genocide is bad, shill.
I’ve been accused in this very thread of spreading pro-Russian propaganda because I corrected someone (in a different thread) on the year that Russia invaded Donbas.
It’s unhinged. Do they really think everyone with a different opinion is part of an orchestrated plot? Are they so deep in their echo chambers that they can’t conceive of someone having a different opinion? Are they unable to respond to different opinions without accusations of trechery?
Be tired of it all you want, it doesn’t change that there are literally Russian troll farms at work every day.
But attributing all opposition to troll farms?
If the best rebuttal that Democrats have to any argument is “that’s what a Russian troll would say!”, then they deserve to lose.
Also, don’t you realize that you’re making Russia look good? If the only options are supporting genocide or being a Russian asset, I’d choose being a Russian asset.
Downvote if you want, but “Anyone who doesn’t tow the party line must be a traitor to the country” is how you’re losing a generation of voters.
So about those Ukrainians. Or is genocide, like imperialism, only bad when America does it?
I dunno man. It’s definitely getting repetitive, but when we know that there is a substantial Russian disinfo machine out there and support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine is such a consistent theme in these people AND Putin is one of the major beneficiaries of the general turn towards right-wing authoritarianism (because when our politicians say and do the same things it legitimizes those antidemocratic elements of his own regime), it’s not an unfair connection to keep drawing.
The most compelling argument to not call them Russian troll farmers would be for them to simply stop saying all the things a Russian troll farmer would say.
But… is there? I mean, I know Russian disinformation exists, but could you really say it’s “substantial”? It seems to me that Russian disinformation couldn’t be even 1% as damaging as the disinformation put out by Fox News or Donald Trump.
Why is there all this concern about foreign disinformation when the most damaging disinformation is coming from within America? (And remember, Donald Trump’s political ascent was built on “Obama is a secret Muslim born in Kenya”.)
It seems to me that the main reason we hear so much about foreign disinformation is because it’s a boogeyman to stop you from questioning your country’s narratives.
“Remember: Anyone who questions America’s narratives is a foreign agent! If you ever start to think maybe your country’s narratives are wrong, you’re being duped by foreign agents.”
Also, the influence of Russian trolls on Lemmy is definitely overstated. As far as I can see, anything that doesn’t sound like it came from the mouth of a Democrat gets downvoted into oblivion.
People aren’t attributing all opposition to trolls, only the stuff that very clearly aligns with Russian/CCP/Israeli narrative building.
Jimmydoreisalefty is clearly a propaganda account. The amount of posts they aggregate daily is itself sign that this isn’t just some guy. There was no eamp up with that account either, it literally appeared on lemmy and started blasting 20-30 posts aday.
The account’s also hours of activity as suss as well.
But to them, that’s almost everything. They think every opinion that doesn’t align with the Democrat official party line is harmful to Biden’s reelection, and therefore beneficial to Russia or the CCP.
If you thought last week that Biden should be replaced, you got called a shill. If you think today that Biden shouldn’t be replaced, you’re called a shill. If you supported Kamala for president last week, you got called a shill. If you don’t support Kamala for president today, you’re called a shill.
If you support voting third-party, shill. If you say genocide is bad, shill.
I’ve been accused in this very thread of spreading pro-Russian propaganda because I corrected someone (in a different thread) on the year that Russia invaded Donbas.
It’s unhinged. Do they really think everyone with a different opinion is part of an orchestrated plot? Are they so deep in their echo chambers that they can’t conceive of someone having a different opinion? Are they unable to respond to different opinions without accusations of trechery?
This does not bode well for democracy.