• EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    1 month ago

    Oh my God that comment about being bullied by him for being feminine. I felt that in my fucking soul. I got that shit so much from my father when I was younger. About the stupidest shit too.

    I had this baby doll that I apparently loved when I was little. I was too young to remember having it, but when my brother was a baby apparently I’d follow my mom around with it and while she took care of my brother if she was doing something that I couldn’t help with I’d take care of my baby doll.

    He hated this fucking doll with a passion. Didn’t want me to have it because he was convinced I’d grow up to be gay if I had it. Only the word he used was worse. He ended up jumping at the chance to give the doll away to a family they were acquainted with lost their house in a fire and their daughter had no toys left because he could get away with it then. But his hate for this fucking doll was crazy. Like it was impossible for me to become a parent one day and gasp take care of my own child.

    • P00ptart@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      I’m sorry that you went through that. My 9 year olds mother took his safety blanket from him 5 years ago. He was “too old for it”. Fuck that. If it makes him feel better, he has it. This is why we’re no longer together. I bought him a new one and he gets it whenever he wants at my house. He rarely uses it, but it’s there for him when he wants it. He’s 9. He’s still just a kid, it’s not like I’m handing him job applications.

  • xantoxis@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Starting to think the reason Elon opposes the “woke mind virus” is not because his daughter is trans, but because he keeps getting owned so fucking hard by her

  • Willy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    1 month ago

    Huh. I don’t really know what I was doing or saying at four. Neither does my kid, other than what people told him. I’m pretty sure everyone likes musicals at that age though. Mary poppins was the shit. They’re pretty great at any age really. Sucks they are in a bad place. What a stupid twitter argument though.

    • Infynis@midwest.socialEnglish
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      1 month ago

      I remember seeing the Space Needle on a trip to Seattle when I was two and a half. Surprisingly, different people can have different experiences

      • taiyang@lemmy.world
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        1 month ago

        I hear accounts like that, but there’s a fair amount of evidence that our minds like to fill in the blanks on memories we hear about. The classic example from psych class involves experiments where they implanted memories of getting lost at age 5 in a mall. The stories were fabricated, but two alarming things stuck with me: people added details to these ‘recollections’ and even after being debriefed on the experiment, a sizable portion continued to believe that happened to them at 5.

        (Keep in mind, the human brain also isn’t really developed enough to retain memories like that, let alone give them enough meaningful context to reflect on them in a meaningful way)

        All that’s to say your memories of the space needle probably have a lot filled in from your knowledge of the place and the stories your folks told you.

        • Infynis@midwest.socialEnglish
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          1 month ago

          I haven’t been there since, and what I specifically remember the most is being frustrated because I was too weak to get the water guns by the base to shoot properly (though it’s only in retrospect that I realized the reason). My parents hadn’t talked to me about that part of the trip before I mentioned that to my mom a few years ago, and she was surprised I remembered.

          I don’t remember any of the time around it, and obviously I can’t prove it’s a real memory, but memories do last longer when they’re associated with intense emotions, and children’s emotions are especially intense. If that was the first time I was ever frustrated like that, I think it would make sense that it stuck

          • taiyang@lemmy.world
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            1 month ago

            Maybe, it’d have to be rooted in one of the earlier parts of the brain though, which aren’t quite as good with memories. They tend to manifest as feelings and triggers though, like a phobia (at least, that’s the hypothesis, you can’t exactly test that by torturing babies). Which, makes sense to me, since the amygdala is pretty good to go at that age, lol.

            That’s not to say it’s impossible (the brain is very plastic), just that the more dedicated parts for that aren’t there and your understanding of the world isn’t good enough to make sense of it. In your case, you wouldn’t need the latter to at least understand the feelings at the time, though. I for instance have a pretty sure memory of getting wiped out by someone in a swing in preschool, though I can’t even remember visiting Disneyland in 2nd grade lol.

            I mostly only bring it up because my sister swears she has district memory at that age and I know she’s having reconstructive memory bias to change her memories to better reflect her current world view. I was there, after all, and it’s a pet peeve of mine ever since! Lol

        • kungen@feddit.nu
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          1 month ago

          Yeah, memory is fragile, and that’s why it’s not weighted highly in criminal cases in most developed countries… but “absent father with a huge ego is making up stuff” seems more likely than any other alternatives to me…?

          I also have more vivid memories from my childhood than anything in my adult life. Stuff that my family has never talked about, etc. But who knows.

    • Mathilde@jlai.lu
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      1 month ago

      Maybe the truth is important to her, you have to respect that, it’s not just a “stupid Twitter argument”

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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        1 month ago

        Right? Bizarre that this person doesn’t seem to think that Musk’s estranged daughter might want people to know when he’s lying about her, especially when it comes to her sexuality.

    • EndlessApollo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      It sucks that he’s a transphobic cunt who drove away his daughter. Why are you playing devil’s advocate here? He doesn’t need an advocate, he has 100+ times more money than you and everyone you know will ever make combined and he’s a conservative asswipe. Elon making up lies about his daughter and her thoroughly debunking them isn’t “a stupid Twitter argument”, what the heck is your deal?

    • AmbiguousProps@lemmy.todayEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Ah yes, a trans person defending themselves from their abusive, transphobic billionaire father is a “stupid twitter argument”.

      Why do you feel the need the need to belittle it?

    • zaph@sh.itjust.works
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      1 month ago

      How does a 4yo become a fan of certain music? Their parents play it endlessly. The child isn’t a fan it’s just what they know and have access to. Stop making excuses for other people.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    I did have a love of musical and theater when I was four, but that’s because my dad was a film historian who also loved Stephen Sondheim, so half of what I listened to growing up was showtunes… but I’m guessing if that was true about Musk’s daughter, it was Musk who was playing the music.

    But yeah, I have a cassette tape of me somewhere (sort of) singing “Soon” from A Little Night Music when I was something like 18 months old.

    Anyway, fuck Musk and I’m glad his daughter called him out on his bullshit. She also made sure she put it in the court record that she disowned him when she legally changed her name. She didn’t have to do that, she just wanted it in the legal record that she did not consider him her father. Much respect for that with someone with a normal bigot father, but when your father is one of the richest men in the world? She’s fucking amazing.

  • pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online
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    1 month ago

    Not that I doubt them, but I sure as hell can’t remember anything from when I was 4, so I’d be unable to definitely rebuke any claims about my actions during that time.

    • MindTraveller@lemmy.caEnglish
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      1 month ago

      I remember the important stuff from when I was 4. I liked picture books, computer games, playing on the swing, and hot wheels. We didn’t have a computer at home but we had one at school and I liked playing the educational games. Also I tried a pear when I was 4 and I hated it. I still do. Fuck pears!

        • MindTraveller@lemmy.caEnglish
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          1 month ago

          If Ensign Rutherford can hate pears, suffer from brain damage in the line of duty, start liking pears, undergo neurological treatment, and start hating pears again, maybe pears can suck. Maybe some people just don’t like pears and never will unless they get a cybernetic implant ripped out of their head while trying to blow up a Pakled dreadnaught.

          Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Some people are just gonna hate pears and that’s okay.

          • kamenLady.@lemmy.world
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            1 month ago

            Pears can indeed have very different tastes. There are some i really don’t like, the bland ones, taste like nothing. Some others are really juicy, sweet and yummy.

            I don’t know which ones are what though.

      • Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I remember this blue curtain with giraffes and lions (and I’m sure other animals but those are the two I remember) that I liked and got to see during snack time. I used to imagine I’d be playing with them and how cool they were. I also remember watching GoBots in the morning. I was also fascinated by rollypollys and caterpillars one day in the outside play area for some reason. Just a few examples from preschool when I was between 3 and 4. I started kindergarten when I was 4 during that school year when I was close to turning 5. I remember my teacher from then and her really visible varicose veins and her pointed toe shoes that seemed way too small because the skin from her feet pushed up out of them a bit.

        None of that is stuff my family would have been like “Hey, remember blah blah?”

    • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      1 month ago

      How does this help? Vivian didn’t say she remembered being four and not saying those things, she said when she was four she clearly wasn’t going around miming gay stereotypes like Elon Musk claims, because no four year old is:

      • picking out clothes for their parent and describing the outfit as “fabulous”
      • enamored with musicals and the theater

      Vivian’s point is that these are not behaviors typical of a four-year old. The person whose testimony would be valuable is her mother’s and nannies’ who actually were there when she was four years old (unlike Elon Musk).

  • Furbag@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    One thing Elon doesn’t seem to understand is that no matter how many billions of dollars he spends to “combat the woke mind virus”, it will never make his daughter love him. Accepting her and loving her unconditionally would, but that requires a level of emotional maturity that Elon simply doesn’t possess and no amount of money can buy for him.

    Rich people are far too often bankrupt in the matters of the heart and soul.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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        1 month ago

        I had a friend who took a shit in a shoebox and mailed it to his father. I never met his father and I don’t know what he did, but his mother is the sweetest woman in the universe and my friend is an amazingly nice guy, so whatever it was, it must have been really bad.

  • Sibbo@sopuli.xyz
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    1 month ago

    Good lord it must suck so much to have a father like that. Hope she has all the money to afford good therapy at least.

  • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.comEnglish
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    1 month ago

    One of the crazy parts of growing up with a narcissist is recognizing that you are supposed to stop their bullshit. They are in charge as a parent, so being a fucking kid means you think them lying about shit to glorify their mistakes is what is supposed to happen. And to be safe you go along with it.

    It is not pleasant to be expelled from an abusive, controlling, narcissistic family to the world only to become a mark to every dark triad person on the planet.

    And to find the good in that world is nigh impossible without almost endless resources.

    • P00ptart@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      I grew up with a narcissistic, neglectful mother. It made me a stone cold liar. I’m so good at lying that I sometimes used to lie just for fun to see how crazy I could make it before someone would call me out on it.

      That being said, with my child I’m a totally different person. I’m super honest with him. I tell him constantly how much I love him, how much he matters to me. I just have this aversion to do anything my mother would have done. My instincts tell me to do almost everything the exact opposite of what she would have done.

  • kenkenken@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    1 month ago

    Musk did quite a fast way from the “Occupy Mars” to a Starwars-like family drama. Outer space is not a joke, guys!

  • Bobmighty@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    I’m so fucking poor compared to Musk. His wealth grants him access to so many things I’ll never have access to. He is financially far more successful than I will likely ever be. I don’t feel any envy though. He’s so life and love poor that I feel like his superior simply because my family loves and respects me, and I feel the same towards them.

    He’s a loser. It’s a weird thing to say about a guy who can buy my entire neighborhood and tear it down for funsies, but he makes it so clear. No matter how much he has, he’ll always be a pathetic loser. He’s proof positive that money does not buy happiness.