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Ol mo the mouth n***as could holler the front" - Lil’ Wayne
Great, investors have a target to short sell in the car industry based on Fords bad product development
This idea seems like what someone would come up with if they’re devoid from the reality of driving and have only been chauffeured around lol
Yeah, nobody would willingly buy this. I certainly wouldn’t. Never mind the obvious perpetual privacy violation baked right in to a hairbrained scheme like this, but could you ever fully trust it to work correctly and not ever randomly (or not-so-randomly) send people up for prosecution under false pretenses? I guarantee you the speed tattle system will be a black box, some dipshit legislator would pass a law making fucking with it or reverse engineering it a crime “because safety,” and then any time the state wants to harass anyone they can just ping somebody’s Ford to spit out a false speeding ticket (maybe even one that’s egregious enough to count as a felony like 130 in a 25, or whatever). And how are you going to be equipped to argue against it? It’s going to be your word against the computer and Ford’s army of lawyers and experts plus the police, in a system that’s already heavily stacked against the defendant.
This will probably only see any actual use being built into police cars and maybe commercial fleets, but not civilian vehicles.
This is a weird one. I speed, and so does everyone else, but nobody has the right to speed, and I cant say it necessarily would be bad to have more speeding restrictions. Im sure it would be just as abused as any other part of the law and justice system but I dont find it inherently unappealing.
I speed, and so does everyone else
Why?
Our roads are designed to make us think we can go faster than we should and localities have an incentive to keep speed limits arbitrarily low to increase fines from speeders.
Our roads are designed to make us think we can go faster than we should
localities have an incentive to keep speed limits arbitrarily low
Which is it? If speed limits are arbitrarily low then you can go faster. The fact that most people speed and the roads aren’t consistently littered with accidents seems to support that.
fwiw, the roads are constantly littered with accidents and the US has the highest pedestrian fatality rate out of all “western” nations
It’s both because there is more than one kind of road.
America really likes stroads which give the impression that you can safely travel at speeds that are actually dangerous. We do that often in neighborhoods where we should be going 20-25 max but the design of the roads encourages us to drive faster. Since the speed limit is often actually at a safe speed, the issue of speeding is about the design of the road and not the speed limit.
Larger roads like highways, freeways, and expressways are designed for high-speed travel but often have speed limits that are low for the sake of revenue generation. If you’ve ever driven through a small town where the highway design doesn’t change but the speed suddenly drops from 65 to 35 you know what I mean. In those cases the problem is with the arbitrarily low speed limit as some states have raised the cap up to 80 and have not seen a substantial increase in accident-related injuries and deaths.
Connector roads often suffer from one or the other problem listed above. They are either designed to make you feel like you can go 60 when you should be going 40 or are set at 30 when you could safely go 40. The road design needs to match the safe speed by making drivers feel unsafe when they exceed that speed and not unnecessarily penalize them by not putting the limit lower than that speed.
Both of those result in speeding but have different causes.
Well, both.
If the road were clear around me, I could easily hold 100+ off the highway. I’ve got huge streets near me with long curves. No problem for my relatively new tires and well-maintained vehicle.
Once we add cars to the mix, I can no longer go that fast. Too many other cars, if I just weave around them, I can go fast again. Who wants all this power sitting behind a Sentra?
Yay! I’m free! Fast fast fast until more cars again. A little bob and weave… Crash.
This road is literally as wide as the highway but the speed limit is 45mph.
The road always has traffic, always construction, always debris from poorly maintained cars or accidents which means you can’t go fast but the road itself was designed for the Daytona 500. The ‘speed limit’ is set for a pace that makes 18 wheelers look fast.
So, the obvious answer said by every Suburban with scrapes on the side and Altima with paper tags is “My car isn’t going to fail or crash and in ideal conditions should have no problem redlining all the way down this thing so I should try that in five o’clock traffic.”
Um they are
It’s both. They make it so you want to speed so they can generate revenue. Wide lanes and low speed limits can yield a lot of tickets
I was driving on a road like that in Scranton with a 45 mph speed limit, doing 50. For about a quarter mile, without any change in the road, it drops to 35 mph. Right in front of a police station. So the cops don’t even have to leave their station to start ticketing people.
Old, terrible road speed design methods resulting in shit like my drive to work: a long, straight road that’s wider than the nearby highway yet has a speed limit 15mph slower because…?
Usually the answer is “uncontrolled access” I.e. it has driveways and such, and not on and off ramps
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Speeders are assholes that put everyone in danger.
I’m never buying a newer car.
The thing with new cars is that they turn into old cars.
2016+ is a no buy for me. I don’t look at new cars to begin with and anything 2016 or newer gets the axe as well. They are permanent Tracking.
I feel like you atleast have some wiggle room with electric cars, I cant imagine that it would be too hard to just rip out and replace most of the bs parts. Mostly cause you dont have a massive engine block to deal with, just wires.
With electric cars the Firmware does a lot more work than you think. You can’t just rip fuses like the old days. For a lot of the newer vehicles changes mean tracking or coding changes vs vehicle doesn’t start.
Oh no im talking ripping literally everything out and starting more or less from scratch, battery and body only.
So you are writing your own firmware and updates too?
No but it also shouldnt be complex enough to need it, all the computer needs to do is control the motors and the shifter nothing else. I dont need cruise control, I dont need lane assist, I dont even need powered windows ya know what fuck the doors altogether. Everything else IE lights, air, radio can be controlled through a rather simple tertiary power system.
True, I’ll never a own a car with technology that can send my data to anyone else.
enshittification might just be how capitalism destroys itself.
And that’s why I love old cars.
Ford trying to patent a way to bankrupt themselves for when no one ever buys another ford ever again.
Don’t worry, the federal government will bail them out.
Like 90% of people speed all the time. This system would produce so much data it would be useless.
Either that or it would be so lucrative we could fund universal healthcare
Except we all know it would fund cool new guns and tanks for your local municipality.
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What they should do is give the car owners a cut if the ticket fees. They would have people patrolling the streets to catch speeders. There also be a big uptick in vandalism of Fords. I would love to watch this experiment with some popcorn.
Dude! Yes! We definitely need more companies treating 1984 like an instruction manual. /s
Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won’t do it. It’s a win-win since I already wouldn’t want a ford
Ooh that’s gonna get your car keyed.
You have a strange way of writing molotov cocktailled.
I was gonna say, they are getting keyed with bullets
The key that opens anything.
Yep, it snitches on other cars!
Let’s be real, close to a majority of Americans have no issue with their iPhone being used as part of a mesh tracking network, even if it helps abusers with airtags.
All they have to do is sell this to people as benefiting them, and they will gobble it up. Hell, chances are, insurance companies will start offering reduced rates if you drive one (and then they buy the data from Ford and increase rates with it).
Instead of paying 2000 dollars a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger you pay 1500 a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger, but the car will… SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHERE DO I SIGN?
The massive difference between AirTags and this is that AirTags (and the whole Find My network, it’s not only AirTags after all) actually provide a useful service to each participant, namely locating their things if they get lost somewhere. This does effectively nothing for you and will only ever fuck over other people (you could argue rightfully so, but still) and provides no value to anyone other than the police.
One wonders whether instance companies will incentivize these vehicles with lower rates.
For whatever the insurance companies deem a low rate driver, sure. But you can be sure that many drivers will be paying more once their insurance company sees how much time they stare at a TikTok videos what “driving”.
Actually. I do wish that phones would fucking tattle on people who can’t be bothered to watch where they’re going while operating 2 ton Hausfraupanzers.
Welcome to UPS trucks.
And Amazon, and FedEx, and UPS, and DHL…
I a totally meant FedEx. But I thought they were the only ones with police contracts?
They all have telematics in their trucks, and I know they all use the data in the case of accidents to prove fault. Amazon specifically monitors speed and will fire drivers if they do it too much. Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if they started sharing that info.
Oh yea, on the same page, it’s just that FedEx specifically have been proven to hold contracts with law enforcement, while the others have not.
Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won’t do it.
Patents don’t necessarily stop other OEMs from using it. It just means they’ll have to pay Ford a fee to license it, themselves.
Ah classic boot licking just like ol’ henry ford
What do you mean by tha-
Only a single great man, Ford, to their fury still maintains full independence [from the control of Jewish masters]. -(Mein Kampf)
Oh. Well, shit.
Heh. Guess theyre tired of making money
They already have to implement a system to shut off the car if “drunk driving is detected” by law
I haven’t heard of that. How does it work? It shuts the car off if you swerve a lot?
Do you have a source I could read more about this?
The law doesn’t say how it should work at all. This source seems the least biased I’ve seen on it
Right? Why the hell would I buy a vehicle that’s going to report me to the police?
Because it will not report you. It will report others it sees on the road - except Fords.
They’re probably waiting for this tech to be required by law and make a lot of cash on the patent.
Noted: driving 3 mph under the speed limit in front of all fords from now on.
Go for 10mph under. Gotta really be safe.
when are we gonna have biomedical devices that directly send their test results to health insurance companies? I feel like we are missing this for a perfect Dystopia
Ford could put all their R&D money into developing low-cost EVs, but they’d prefer to give the cops a handout.
Ford could put all their R&D money into developing low-cost EVs,
Thus making the EVs very expensive… just sayin’
Then how do any low-cost vehicles ever get developed?
By minimizing costs, including R&D. Further, the lower the price the lower the profit and usually the lower the margin. Companies are not incentivitized to make less money.
This is pretty basic stuff…
Companies are not incentivitized to make less money.
If only it were physically possible to change that. Alas, the fifth law of thermodynamics says profit above all.
