Don’t forget who you were Elon. Trying to erase an image, almost like you no longer feel like that person anymore (or maybe never did)
The time Elon tried cosplaying Edward Scissorhands
D’Elon the Musketeer
POW! BIFF! THWUNK! The superhero we deserve.
Down with Elon Musk
She is killing it. He made a huge fucking mistake lying about her on video to the world. She just wanted to be left alone and go to college. Now she’s out to expose him.
And he really should have known better. This is a woman who, without any need to do so, put it on the court record that she disowned him at a formality hearing to register a name change a couple of years ago. No one asked her, no one expected her to say it, she just wanted a legal record of her disowning one of the richest men in the world when she could have just waited for him to die and see if she inherited anything.
Check out her interview. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665
Before that, I could only imagine what sort of horrible father he was to prompt her to do that. Now I know exactly what sort of horrible father he was.
I really love that she keeps owning him on threads, too. It’s just that extra little twist of the knife. She’s proof that we don’t have to suck just because our families do.
“I lost my son, essentially,” Musk said. He used Wilson’s birth name, also known as a deadname for transgender people, and said she was “dead, killed by the woke mind virus.”
i don’t have kids but i can’t even comprehend someone saying something like that about their own child
I can’t imagine saying stuff like this about someone else’s kids, let alone my own. I have a non-binary kid, who I love with all my heart. The only thing my wife and I want them to be is happy. I get that having your kid tell you that they’re the wrong gender is hard to deal with - I don’t want to minimize that - but it’s not like it’s harder than what the kids themselves are dealing with.
I’m no psychologist or sociologist, but it seems that most of the people who treat their kids this way had kids because of external expectations or for status. They treat their kids like property or as an extension of themselves. Raising them to be cis no matter what is not about their child’s well-being, it’s about how having a trans child makes them look in the eyes of their bigoted, greedy, status-seeking, peers. When their kids come out as trans, they see this as a personal attack on their place in the pecking order.
In general, they treat even their cis children like shit, because they don’t think of their children as people, children are just assets in what they think is some kind of cosmic dick measuring contest.
It’s incomprehensible because it’s pathological and generally sick.
Yes, the thought/behavior patterns aren’t unique to transphobia. I always refer back to this beautiful guardian op ed https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/aug/11/devastated-by-my-sons-tattoo
It’s a work of art I love it so much. wish some voice actor would do a dramatic reading.
That’s nothing compared to what she’s said he’s said to her directly. No exact quotes, but she made it pretty clear that he was constantly saying homophobic things to her. And that was before she transitioned and he just thought she was gay.
This is sadly a pretty common thing for trans people.
He’s just building up his conservative cred.
Harden the mind against silly weak things like compassion: check
Treat your family like property: check
“Woke mind virus”: lol
Robert Evan’s (AKA Podcast Daddy) had a piece about this. His denial of his daughter’s transition is of a piece with his pro-natalist stance and his desire to colonize space. He is trying to become immortal. His child transitioning marks her as her own person, rather than an extension of him, which reinforces the fact that he will die one day.
How does that reinforce it? I want to be immortal too, but I want my kids to be independent and strong.
I can’t wrap my head around how someone who wants to be a transhuman would have a problem with transgender humans. How does he not see that leopard coming to eat his face?
Luckily, you sound like you consider kids to be their own individuals and not little copies of yourself for you to control like puppets.
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for every parent.
What’s the situation you’re referring to about him lying about her on video? I know he’s said a lot of shitty stuff about her but I’m not aware of the context of that sentence
haha what a badass
You know what, I think Elon’s kid is gonna turn out alright.
I think Elon’s kid is gonna turn out alright.
I’d say she already did.
Yea, I mean she is 20 years old and has her shit together more than many of my friends who are at least a decade older. She’s definitely alright.
The interview she gave with NBC says she’s a college student studying languages, so if nothing else, she could have a good life as a translator. And you don’t generally study languages plural in college if you’re not very smart.
She’s Elon’s kid, and she had to suffer through being trans in a society that doesn’t broadly accept it (and at least one parent who doesn’t), so she’s got a lot going against her, but she sure seems to speak out with self confidence, so I hope she’s one of those who was able to just grow from the hardships.
iirc her mom (who she actually lives with) is supportive
Fuck yay! Go girl!
She’s worth a hundred Elons.
Worthless times one hundred is still worthless. Please don’t compare her to that piece of shit
14 words breeder shit
For those who don’t get the reference, she’s calling him a literal NAZI.
I appreciate you remembering not everyone is tuned into this stuff to the same degree. I just immediately thought “oh, he’s a nazi? That scans” when I saw the 14 words reference.
Oh. Those 14 words. I thought there was another set of words specifically against child free people.
Thank you! I came here to say this.
Wow, what a load of crap. I wonder if Musk really talked about that stuff, which would be taking his shittiness to the next level.
He talks about it openly. “Falling birthrates” and “the great replacement” are dog whistles for “white genocide”. They’re talking about how “the white race” is going to “lose” because the white people are outnumbered by people of color.
It’s such garbage. I’m not sure why anyone cares about anyone else’s skin tone. I’m lilly white, but I wouldn’t care at all if everyone in the world was an even brown at some future time. Why would I?
A lot of people cope by convincing themselves they’re innately “better” than some outgroup. For some people it’s music taste, for some people it’s skin color, etc. A lot of it is subtle bigotry learned during childhood from media and parents. Elon grew up in apartheid South Africa with a father who owned part of an emerald mine, I feel like that could explain a lot.
There’s also something to be said about the addictive nature of conspiracy theories. Elon was always a “wacky guy” or whatever but there was definitely a point where he went from a typical rich dick to whatever the fuck this is and he seems like he’s pretty far down the “aliens built the pyramids” to “jewish people run the world” pipeline.
transcription: @elonmusk tweets “There is a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye” about an article titled “The Awful Truth: Paul Pelosi Was Drunk Again, And In a Dispute With a Male Prostitute Early Friday…” from
smobserved.com“jewish people run the world” pipeline.
He’s already there.
Sometimes I doubt my skills as a father. Then I read shit like this and realize I’m doing alright.
Same. As with so many things in life, giving a shit and showing up get you like 80% of the way there.
I tell a lot of new parents that kids are amazingly resilient, so when you inevitably make mistakes, they’ll likely be fine. On the other hand, they’re amazingly sensitive and perceptive, so no matter how good of a job you do, you’ll probably leave then with at least minor issues. I mean, if someone you know has zero emotional issues, it probably means you don’t know them that well.
When will Elon demand a paternity test?
One thing I noticed, and you can check this for yourself too, is that American media outlets constantly refer to her as ‘Elon Musks transgender daughter’, and it really bothers me it’s not just ‘Elon Musks Daughter.’
So I checked, and the BBC, CTV News (canadian), CBC (also canadian) all just refer to her as his daughter.
I absolutely love that she’s bringing the lumber, but I could really do with news organizations not using that as her identifier. She’s not ‘Elon Musk’s transgender daughter.’ She’s Vivian Jenna Wilson, she doesn’t even consider Elon her father. I’ll let her speak for herself here:
(From her name change):
“I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form,” she wrote on the petition.
“I would like to emphasize one thing: I am an adult,” she said, according to NBC. “I am 20 years old. I am not a child. My life should be defined by my own choices.”
I suspect that it’s more for “engagement” and clickbait than malice from the headline writer.
that is if you don’t think that this kind of communication isn’t harmful to the human race at least. Which it is. Obviously.
I agree it’s not to intentionally target her maliciously, but it is malicious: how does the story change if you just say ‘daughter’? If she was a Catholic convert would it be ‘Elon Musks Transgender Catholic Daughter’? I understand part of his hatred towards her is that she’s transgendered, but we don’t have to allow that. And as I said, other news agencies aren’t (all) doing that.
Elon Musks Estranged Black Jewish Transgendered Daughter.
I hate to say it, but until trans people are normalized in American society, pointing out that his daughter is trans is probably necessary for people to understand why Elon says he lost his son.
Is it though? It just legitimizes it as a reason to separate her from other women. Until I see “So-and-So’s cis-gendered hetero daughter” I think we can agree it’s singling them out, not highlighting something in good faith. For example, and this is the BBC’s:
Elon Musk: Billionaire’s daughter cuts ties with her father | BBC
She’s a woman, who from what I can see is emancipated from her father. He’s a sack of shit, she’s voicing that. That’s the story.
I think a big difference here is that you keep saying that this legitimizes him or his behaviour. That does not seem at all obvious to many of us.
Pointing out these facts provides context for those of us that don’t know. I do not believe it legitimizes anything. If you see it that way, you are probably on the extreme end of the issue ( either side ).
This is not an accusation. I can feel your genuine concern that it legitimizes his statements. I want to reassure you that it does not. The people that will take it as evidence of legitimacy do not need a reason to feel right. So who cares what they think?
It never would have occurred to me that her gender or gender history somehow supported Elon Musk until you started to say so.
That doesn’t explain why. And the why here is important. Essential.
Headlines don’t typically contain the entire context. You have to actually read the article for the why.
And Americans often don’t read past the headlines.
That’s not what we’re talking about.
Seems to me like that’s exactly what we’re talking about- explaining things simply to lazy Americans.
He didn’t lose a son because she is transgender. He lost a child because he’s a shitty father. And he thinks he lost a son because he is also a transphobe who refuses to accept her daughter. The why isn’t her gender, the why is Musks transphobia and shitty parenting.
IMO if you want to normalize trans people you should treat them like people and not stick a huge “transgender” sign above them.
If a lazy American just reads that Musk’s daughter disowned him, they’re not going to understand why and they will be less inclined to read on. I’m afraid that’s just how things are.
You’re not wrong, but I think we all really wish you were.
Sad thing is, clarifying Elon’s hatred by pointing his daughter is trans, gives credence to his take in some folks’ eyes.
The conversation maybe ugly, but it still has to be had.
He thinks the school system did this to his child, and he’s on a mission to stop the woke because of it.
You cant get that across when you just say his daughter.
You cant get that across when you just say his daughter.
That’s why you read the whole article, not just the headline
But you don’t have to get that across in every discussion of her, either - that moves from discussing his vendetta over to defining her by it.
It also factors into Elon’s hatred of ‘woke mind virus’. Her transition has become an important event to explain him and their relationship. Sadly we rarely discuss her outside of an Elon context. At least so far.
I resonate with your sentiment and applaud you bringing it up, but in this case I feel it’s pretty relevant to the story. It’s the trans aspect that caused Musk to say a bunch of shitty stuff about her to begin with. If the story was about her winning the lottery or something else unrelated, I’d be 100% with you.
My point is their legitimizing his reasoning. They’re saying this is the reason he did it. Let him say that. Never let him try to shy away from it, make it so if he’s going to misgender/deadname/etc he’s openly doing it.
Think about it, the story title should go:
“Elon Musks daughter speaks out about her fathers homophobia, bigotry, etc”
Let him try to legitimize it and fail, don’t give him the step up first. Make him look like the lunatic he is for raving about his ‘dead son’ or whatever, let him hang himself with his own rope. She even says:
“I would like to emphasize one thing: I am an adult,” she said, according to NBC. “I am 20 years old. I am not a child. My life should be defined by my own choices.”
She had no choice in this at all, she is who she is, so we need to stop helping make a minor part of her identity her identifying characteristic.
I agree with what you’re saying to a point. As a trans person, the media doesn’t care about us, we’re nothing more than a headline to them. But saying she’s trans doesn’t legitimize anything. The sad truth is that this is the reason he did it. Highlighting the fact that his daughter is trans just shows the hypocrisy of saying you’re all about family values while spewing hateful rhetoric about your own family.
He’s got 11 other kids. Just saying his daughter doesn’t identify any of them.
I don’t personally feel it legitimizes it at all, but regardless, journalists should report all the relevant facts, not withhold some to make a point. Her being trans is relevant to the story. If I read a news article on it that didn’t report that, and then I found out later, if probably stop reading that publication because it would have been shown to be withholding facts to make some point.
I do by best to try to refer to her as his ex daughter. Maybe it’s just my own relationship with my own disowning but it’s definitely a valuable distinction imo
That’s a great point, she does even say she doesn’t want any association with him.
Yeah I think by calling her his ex daughter it’s an acknowledgment that the father shaped wound on her is an aching scar not something that’s going to heal nice and fine. A lot of people like to respond to disowning like it’s definitely going to be temporary and everything will be fine again. It does tend to be temporary, but sometimes it isn’t and it’s healthy to deal with it as if it probably won’t be but might be. It’s not comforting to hear it probably will be anyways. And even if the connection is reestablished it’s always going to bear that damage. The baseline level of trust that parents are supposed to have of being your first and most secure source of support and love is gone.
I do not expect Ms. Wilson and Mr. Musk to ever reconcile. His behavior towards her has been atrocious as was his behavior towards her mother. Furthermore Mr. Musk seems to be completely incapable of accepting responsibility for his bad behavior.
This is tragic to read. The mind-virus is real. Still, there’s always hope for reconciliation because people can change.
i like how this comment is ideology agnostic :)
I’ll solve the mystery on this one.
This guy is an unashamed MAGA supporter (check his post history) , so there’s no ambiguity: he’s supporting Musk’s position, not his daughters response.
If I had to call it, I would have agreed from the use of the term mind-virus
A highly entertaining curb stomping. 10/10, no notes.
This girl/woman needs to run for office NOW. Which office? Doesn’t matter, she’ll improve it. Seriously. She’s ferocious.
Uh, please no. Stop fucking idolizing every god damn person.
