Don’t hit me back after I hit you. After I hit you repeatedly. And after I killed your families. And after I destroyed your infrastructure and mined your country.
Pretty much how every war has started since forever. But a lot of this “hitting back” is coming from the deep pockets of the NATO coalition, dumping all their spare hardware into Ukraine’s back pockets. This is the textbook definition of a proxy war.
But then everyone gets a little blood on them and we see another round of hitting back. More Russian bombs landing in Ukraine’s west. More Ukrainian villages encircled and civilians fled down south. More angry Ukrainians eager to hit back again.
Another year of pointlessly shed blood across Eastern Europe by people that seem to have learned nothing from the brutality of the last 30 years of wars.
I mean yeah you can say it’s just a proxy war, but if a large nation supporting a small nation during a time of war makes it a proxy war, then the American Revolution was a proxy war between Britain and France. Proxy wars can still be liberatory, just like this one, where Ukraine is literally fighting for it’s freedom and survival.
if a large nation supporting a small nation during a time of war makes it a proxy war, then the American Revolution was a proxy war between Britain and France.
Yes. It was an extension of the Anglo-French Wars which had been raging since the 1100s.
Ukraine is literally fighting for it’s freedom and survival
Given the enormous war-time debts assumed by the national government, that ship has already sailed. They’re fighting for the opportunity to be a NATO occupied state rather than a Russian satellite. And they’re most likely going to end this war thoroughly balkinized in either event, as the ethnic cleansing on each end of the country has weeded out anyone with divided loyalties.
Ukraine, as a continguous going concern, has about as much of a chance as Gaza or Sudan.
All your talk makes it sound like you think they are making a “wrong” decision. Is that true, and if so, what would you do if you ran that country being annexed and bombed?
Ukraine didn’t decide on war, Russia did. Also, suing for peace doesn’t really seem to be working for Palestine, does it? At what point would you be willing to fight for what you think is right? Would you risk your life to protect your loved ones from a murderer? I would.
Depends how you define “the war”. If Russia just gave up and went home today then most likely, immediate hostilities would cease. But it would do nothing to prevent them from starting the next war again later. In fact, having proven that they can invade a sovereign country and then leave with next to no significant backlash more or less guarantees the next war.
When people say the war doesn’t end until Moscow is overthrown, it doesn’t mean that we want or plan for Ukraine to march right up to the doors of the Kremlin and burn it down with Putin inside. I doubt anyone would make significant moves to stop that happening, but that’s not the point being made. The point being made is that the Putin regime has proven itself a bully and a liar, and has proven pretty definitively that they will remain those things. So long as Putin remains in power his regime will continue to strike at nearby victims for profit. They’ve been doing it the entire time he’s been in power and they aren’t about to stop now unless forced to. Removing his forces from Ukraine and then leaving him in charge of them does nothing except kick the can a few years down the road while Russia regroups.
So yes, if you define “the war” as ending when the fighting stops, it would end it now to just send everyone back home. But it’s less of an ending and more of an intermission, if Putin is not punished. He won’t take this lying down especially after he and his forces have been so thoroughly humiliated during this conflict. Leaving him in control of his national and military assets makes it a certainty that he will be back to finish what he started, provided he lives long enough to actually do so.
Don’t hit me back after I hit you. After I hit you repeatedly. And after I killed your families. And after I destroyed your infrastructure and mined your country.
Don’t hit me back. Please.
Pretty much how every war has started since forever. But a lot of this “hitting back” is coming from the deep pockets of the NATO coalition, dumping all their spare hardware into Ukraine’s back pockets. This is the textbook definition of a proxy war.
But then everyone gets a little blood on them and we see another round of hitting back. More Russian bombs landing in Ukraine’s west. More Ukrainian villages encircled and civilians fled down south. More angry Ukrainians eager to hit back again.
Another year of pointlessly shed blood across Eastern Europe by people that seem to have learned nothing from the brutality of the last 30 years of wars.
I mean yeah you can say it’s just a proxy war, but if a large nation supporting a small nation during a time of war makes it a proxy war, then the American Revolution was a proxy war between Britain and France. Proxy wars can still be liberatory, just like this one, where Ukraine is literally fighting for it’s freedom and survival.
Yes. It was an extension of the Anglo-French Wars which had been raging since the 1100s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-French_Wars#1700s
Given the enormous war-time debts assumed by the national government, that ship has already sailed. They’re fighting for the opportunity to be a NATO occupied state rather than a Russian satellite. And they’re most likely going to end this war thoroughly balkinized in either event, as the ethnic cleansing on each end of the country has weeded out anyone with divided loyalties.
Ukraine, as a continguous going concern, has about as much of a chance as Gaza or Sudan.
Goodbye vatnik.
All your talk makes it sound like you think they are making a “wrong” decision. Is that true, and if so, what would you do if you ran that country being annexed and bombed?
War is always the wrong decision.
I’ll ask the Palestinians. But it appears you try to sue for peace, so more of your population isn’t massacred.
Why do we even need guns if we can just sue people? You sir really do have the cure for the 2nd amendment people.
Ukraine didn’t decide on war, Russia did. Also, suing for peace doesn’t really seem to be working for Palestine, does it? At what point would you be willing to fight for what you think is right? Would you risk your life to protect your loved ones from a murderer? I would.
If someone starts dropping 500 lb bombs in my neighborhood, I’m leaving. The only reason you stay and fight is if you’re trapped.
Ukraine and Russia are each engaged in mass forces conscription. That’s what is driving this war.
To get them to safety, absolutely. But that’s but where the hundreds of billions in foreign aid has been going.
What’s driving this war is Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Don’t bring that vatnik bullshit in here.
So if the solution to help Palestine is pressuring their oppressor to stop, then the solution to help Ukraine is…?
Russia could end the war today by just leaving.
I’ve seen far too many folks on here insisting the war doesn’t end until the Moscow government is overthrown.
Depends how you define “the war”. If Russia just gave up and went home today then most likely, immediate hostilities would cease. But it would do nothing to prevent them from starting the next war again later. In fact, having proven that they can invade a sovereign country and then leave with next to no significant backlash more or less guarantees the next war.
When people say the war doesn’t end until Moscow is overthrown, it doesn’t mean that we want or plan for Ukraine to march right up to the doors of the Kremlin and burn it down with Putin inside. I doubt anyone would make significant moves to stop that happening, but that’s not the point being made. The point being made is that the Putin regime has proven itself a bully and a liar, and has proven pretty definitively that they will remain those things. So long as Putin remains in power his regime will continue to strike at nearby victims for profit. They’ve been doing it the entire time he’s been in power and they aren’t about to stop now unless forced to. Removing his forces from Ukraine and then leaving him in charge of them does nothing except kick the can a few years down the road while Russia regroups.
So yes, if you define “the war” as ending when the fighting stops, it would end it now to just send everyone back home. But it’s less of an ending and more of an intermission, if Putin is not punished. He won’t take this lying down especially after he and his forces have been so thoroughly humiliated during this conflict. Leaving him in control of his national and military assets makes it a certainty that he will be back to finish what he started, provided he lives long enough to actually do so.