I didn’t even bother. I checked out after Ahsoka. I really don’t give af about “woke”, the writing has been terrible. These series have so much embedded lore you have to watch YouTube vids to figure out context. I don’t have time for all that.
I thought Ashoka was good, I just didn’t like that I had to watch a 5 seasons of an animated tv show to understand what tf was going on.
Same. I really liked the Jedi trainer droid. I thought that was cool. And the jedi played by the actor that passed away. But the zombie storm-troopers at the end were just too much, but I’m a middle aged man, the kids probably loved that part.
I liked it. Struggled at the beginning with lots of walking and talking to fill out time, but it tried to do something interesting with the rashomon story structure at the end.
I thought the seductive elements of the Darkside that they played up worked extremely well.
The squid games actor was great.
The fight scene in episode five was tons of fun. When Jason from the Good Place killed X2 by stabbing her 3 or 4 times with the short lightsaber I rewound to watch it a few times.
Probably would’ve been a better movie.
There was a good show in there somewhere, but what we got wasn’t it.
I’m not sure walking away from the season what I was supposed to have learned. It’s ok to kill people sometimes as long as you’re pretty sure they messed up your life?
Mando is about found families and learning to trust.
Andor is about how war/strife changes people.
Obi-wan is about relearning to believe (in yourself/the force) and what’s worth fighting for.
Ahsoka is about students and teachers, how they each can learn from one another.
Even if you disagree with my interpretation, you can at least agree it’s a possible interpretation.
But Acolyte… I just don’t know what I’m supposed to get out of it. The dark side ain’t so bad? Jedi don’t like others using the force?
I just didn’t like acolyte because it was repetitive and redundant. The story is very similar to star wars and bring very little be too the table
My takeaway was indeed that the Jedi of old weren’t the good guys, although they still believed they were.
It’s ok to kill people sometimes as long as you’re pretty sure they messed up your life?
You could say the OG had the message that it’s okay to become a terrorist if the government kills your aunt and uncle.
Sure, but it had other messages too. I’m not sure Acolyte had the one.
I would say the message of the acolyte was:
Evil can be committed by good people with honorable intentions.
Just because it looks spooky doesn’t make it evil.
Also, I think it also tried to flesh out two unpopular ideas from the prequels and sequels with the virgin birth of the chosen one and the force dyad.
The jedi not being strictly all that “good” isn’t all that new and I definitely would’ve liked to see that explored more, as well as more “neutral” force users, or even something from the perspective of the dark side too. I also don’t think this show was as bad as the review bombing made it out to be and on YT you kept just seeing the same rage baiting bigots too but it definitely missed the mark in many areas, despite having some good moments too. Still, a lot of the hate definitely came from the fact that we had a black female main character and some lesbian force witches. That’s pretty hard to ignore with how loud those people are.
I still want more something like Andor though. That was still the best Star Wars I’ve ever seen.
Actually ignoring the ragebait is easy. It exists for everything. The problem is when a TV show/film is weak. It makes the ragebait easy because now they are “right”. The issue with the show has nothing to do with it having a black female lead. The story just wasn’t that good. The story is still not that good if she were a white dude. It’s not end of the world terrible, just mediocre.
Anyway, back to my point. Shitty people have shitty opinions, it’s not worth listening to. OMG did you hear what the bigot said? No, was it shitty? It was? I’m not surprised. Stop giving them attention.
I just couldn’t believe that after all those years living completely different and separate lives, neither of them changed their hair at all. And since the adult twins were played by the same actor, I couldn’t tell them apart aside from clothing.
I do agree they were hard to tell apart. Twins is a cool idea, and their similar appearance could be explained as the force guiding them. However I think fraternal twins might have been better in this situation.
But they weren’t even twins…
Lol, ok technically you’re right they were the same person, but unless they intended to force merge them at some point I think different actors would have been fine.
They weren’t just twins, they were more or less the same person.
If I ever do one of those “watch everything in order” things, I might just watch episode 5. The fight scene was sick. Given how inconsequential the story was, it would probably just feel like an episode of Visions.
My larger worry about this cancellation is the potential graveyard they may have kicked off. Netflix has a lot of cancelled shows that no one will ever watch, it just dilutes their overall library. If even Star Wars isn’t immune to this, then I really do hope Disney wasn’t lying and we start seeing fewer streaming shows coming out. I think we’d all prefer quality over quantity.
The one that hurts the most is Grendel. Netflix killed it without even airing it. :(
https://bleedingcool.com/tv/grendel-netflix-series-details-cancellation-crushing-matt-wagner/
WHAT?! Man, that sucks. Big fan of the Grendel comics. It would’ve been cool to see Argent.
I don’t think this cancelation kicks off the problem of dilution of Star Wars brand identity. I think that problem has been happening for a while with the scattershot releases of movies and shows without the promised cohesion. There doesn’t seem to be a vision from high up of what Star Wars should look like, or where it should be going with the setting.
I highly doubt there will ever be a unified vision. Weren’t Favreau and Filoni supposed to be the vision for Disney+, and then Kathleen Kennedy kept stepping in?
Marvel got lucky with Feige, no one else has yet to achieve it. We shall see if James Gunn can succeed with DC
Waiting for Andor :)
Season 2 is coming and Season 1 got a 4K physical release.
MOTHERFUCKER. Now what are they going to do?!?!! They give us a taste of Darth Plaguis and Yoda 100 years younger and they CANCEL it?
They can still do something with them. They did nothing in the show.
I dunno. Leave it be hopefully. The show just looked really cheap. Their clothes looked like costumes instead of actual clothes. Not to mention how poor the makeup was for everyone.
Maybe I just prefer quality over quantity.
And yet it carried a $180m budget, more than something like dune part 1 (and slightly less than part 2).
There is probably a lot of creative accounting happening with a lot of those types of numbers. Any Disney + ad that has something to do with the Acolyte probably gets counted in that total. Countless examples of movies and shows with way smaller budgets that end up looking a lot better than most of the recent Disney slop.
I guess marketing getting rolled into that number, as opposed to movie budgets where it is usually separate could make up for it. Or it includes lots of long-term investments similar to the huge stage surrounded by screens (“the volume”) that they used for the mandalorian. Although I am not aware that acolyte did something like that.
Countless examples of movies and shows with way smaller budgets that end up looking a lot better than most of the recent Disney slop.
Yeah, but that just goes to prove that money doesn’t solve every problem. It didn’t fix the writing either. The spending part is easy enough.
Killed by incels, racists, and people who expect waaaay too much from the Star Wars franchise.
The commercials killed it for me. I hated having to watch commercials.
Maybe it just wasn’t very good.
It definitely is possible. It’s also possible, and factual, that I’m just one of the people that didn’t care about the things I mentioned, and just liked the show. I want a season 2 & 3, to be honest. Sad news. I am angry.
I can believe you liked the show. I just think there should be some restraint before painting others with, at least the implication of all being terrible people for not enjoying the same pieces of fiction.
I think it is most likely that Disney pulled the show based on sagging viewers rather than caving to the extreme fringe opinions of ragebait YouTubers.
All the “woke,” incel bullshit aside, it wasn’t very good.
I’ve been a Star Wars fan since '77 and wanted to like it, couldn’t make it past Ep. 3.
It was… fine I guess. I liked a lot of the actors, but the plot was completely squandered. I finished it, but it’s completely skippable.
They had a chance to tell an interesting story at at least one point in the show but settled for the most boring and pointless story beats instead.
It was nowhere near as bad as the reviews suggest. Manny Jacinto was honestly great. The Stranger’s helmet design with the metal cables looking like a deranged smile was cool, as was his ability to temporarily disable lightsabers. The new king fu element to the fight scenes was interesting.
The fight choreography drew me in and then that all went out the window in Ep. 3.
Episode 3 was just to make us ask questions that would be answered in episode (I think) 7. They didn’t set this up very well though. It was presented too genuinely, and people didn’t realize we were seeing through the flawed eyes of a child narrator.
That happens when you show scenes the child narrator is not present for. :)
His ability to short out lightsabers was another Thrawnism, cortosis weave. Like Thrawn, largely wasted and apparently thrown in for no real reason.
with certain corners of the internet going after Headland, who is a member of the LGBTQ+ community
That’s some odd phrasing. Are they not allowed to say that someone is gay?
It feels like they are trying to dog whistle something, but I’m not sure what. Or was all the criticism completely unrelated and they are trying to stretch a point?
The producers once alluded that they were being review bombed by conservatives for the acolyte being too woke. Now, that might be true, but, the show also sucked in more than one way, which means there was no one to push back the reviews.
Reminds me of the George Carlin bit on soft-language.
going after Headland, who happens to be a member of the LGBTQ+ community
That’s basically how I read it initially.
Apparently that is how she refers to herself and its perfectly normal for folks to not refer to themselves as “gay” but as being part of the community.
I don’t even feel like it was that ‘woke’. But it was that bad. Bad wiring, bad acting, worse storyline. The only good thing was the choreography of a couple of the fight scenes except that they mostly made no sense. Not even Darth Vader cut through so many Jedi like butter but this random guy that ‘i believe you would refer to me as sith’ does with ease. I really think she was determined to run the originals. Basically she took everything that was cool and good and did it worse.
It’s like the scene in Talladega nights where Cal is telling Gerrard the things that America created.
All woman witches with a connection to the dark side - Dathomir.
Children created by a vergence in the force - Anakin.
Force choke - Vader (this one made me sad).
Purple light saber - Windu.
Multi piece red light saber - Maul.
PIP - fallout.
Then there’s just totally random things that are dumb: Regular Jedi having yellow lightsabers. The stones used in yellow lightsabers were used for the guardians of the temple. Kyber crystals make blue or green and that’s why they are that color in the originals.
It was loosely implied that there was another Sign, maybe plagiues, implying that Qimir was his appreciative making him be actively searching for his own apprentice ignoring the rule of 2.
Mace Windu says there hadn’t been Sith in a millennium and the generally accepted context is that they’ve always existed they just hide from the Jedi. Now you a clear story of sith killing Jedi only 100 years prior.
Anissya tells the Jedi to make a perimeter but then they just all ignore that order and all go to the same place?
The only way you could execute a show this poorly is on purpose. Which I think is true, I think she wanted people to reference her show for the fun cool stuff because it’s more fresh on their minds.
Luke’s lightsaber was green because it wouldn’t have looked good against the blue sky in Return of the Jedi. That’s it. That’s the reason.
Not even the filmmakers get their panties in a twist over “the lore” like that.
Lol - yes you’re right but you’re wrong, oh so wrong
There’s countless amount of lore around light saber colors. Why Sith sabers are red, why Ahsoka’s are white, why Rey’s is yellow, why Mace’s is purple. Then there’s many instances where they intentionally used a wrong color as symbolism like in Luke’s final projection scene.
Kinda weird to blame the bad reviews on “anti-woke bigots”, then cancel the show to appease the bigots.
I did like the show, which looks like an unpopular opinion. Guess the tragedy of Darth Plagueis really isn’t a story the Jedi would tell you.
The one good thing about streaming services like Disney+ is that they have the platform metrics, and they can push shows against audiences and get watch metrics, retention metrics, etc from a large group of viewers. i.e. any online media storms can be weathered by good data of how the show is really performing.
The focus on anti-woke messaging from the show creatives seems like a rhetorical tool, if its the strongest message they have about the property that is what they are going to do to bring attention to it. If you have positive reviews, you talk about the reviews. If you have strong view numbers you talk about the viewer numbers. Since silence is the worst thing for a media property, if you have nothing else you talk about controversy real or imagined. Is there real anti-woke messaging for this show, sure, but like the standard background level you get on anything; is it the most interesting and important aspect of this show? Apparently - otherwise why would the creatives be talking about it?
The rhetoric escalation tree reveals uncomfortable truths. Woke/AntiWoke doesn’t matter, only if it makes money, if it makes money, it gets another season.
Yup. It’s easier to blame anti-woke than to admit to poor business decisions. Disney only cares about burning $180 mil + marketing and getting brand damage in exchange. Bloated budgets are the killer of movies, and movies actually make money whereas streaming shows don’t. A movie needs to make 2-2.5x the budget to break even, and when you’re blowing that kind of money without collecting ticket prices…
$180mil is more than the budget of Top Gun: Maverick which made $1.5bil. Inside Out 2 had a slightly larger budget of $200mil and has made over $1.6bil so far. The Acolyte made nothing and didn’t drive sales, so it was a poor investment.
People who really liked the show could try a gofundme for Disney, request merch to buy, or if they’re extremely wealthy give them $200mil to make another season. Looping Acolyte while asleep to pump viewership would’ve helped too, as you basically noted— Velma received a lot more hate but with high viewership and lower budget, it got a second season. In capitalistic America it’s difficult to convince a company to make less profit, much less discard hundreds of millions. Money is all that matters.
Really well said
I can live without this one. I want Andor season 2. The beauty of Andor is we know how it ends.
Pretty sure andor season 2 is under production.
I didn’t like it but I think a season 2 was best than canceled, what did I gain watching s1? There’s no story, only setups and now everything was thrown in the garbage, what a waste of time.
It deserves to be cancelled for not telling a story
Then cancel Ahsoka, imo
Yeah it was bad too. Live action star wars has one season of Andor and maybe 2 of Mandalorian everything else is bad to absolutely awful
Ahsoka continued a story off of Rebels that was, itself, continued off of Clone Wars. I’m unsure anyone that didn’t at least watch rebels would enjoy Ahsoka.
I watched Clone Wars and Rebels at least a couple times each. Ahsoka was so boring.
Good, I don’t know how something like this could’ve been created in the first place. It makes it seem like anyone can be in charge of big budget shows regardless of they have talent.
Only if you commit to ignoring the source material.
