Let’s make it more interesting. Name a place where communism has taken hold and has worked as intended without a ruling class and without resorting to human rights violations of their citizens
The downvotes say it all. No one in favour of it here seems able to have an honest discussion.
If you are genuinely unable to see that any political system, no matter how great in theory, doesn’t translate that simply into reality because of human behaviour, then you’ve got some reading and thinking to do.
The attitude towards communism here comes across like a cult. Present facts or a reasonable point of discussion, you get shouted down/strawmanned, othered, etc.
Ironically, the very behaviour that stops things like communism working in reality.
China is the most democratic country on Earth, it has done nearly all of the poverty elimination that has occurred on this planet in the last fifty years, it has proven its ability time and time again to solve problems that vex capitalist regimes in humane and effective ways, it has proven to be resilient if not totally immune to the cyclical market shocks that every capitalist regime on the planet is regularly victim to, it has closed the technological gap and is now pulling ahead of the capitalist world in nearly every sector, its citizens are happier than the citizens of any other country and have the highest faith in their government institutions out of any other country…
I could go on. But please tell me about TiAnAnMeN sQuArE and the UyGhUr GeNoCiDe like I haven’t heard those weak ass-arguments a million times.
Why did you bring up China? Wasn’t involved in the conversation, doesn’t qualify as a communist nation, hasn’t claimed to be for a while actually.
Sure China has done some impressive things but those two “weak-ass” arguments you brought up are neither weak nor small. China is an authoritarian state that abuses its people. You could unfortunately say that about many counties though.
😂 You know who defines the metrics for democracy indexes? Liberals who wouldn’t know democracy if it bit them in the ass. People who believe in bourgeois democracy.
Yeah countries which the US has couped in my parent’s lifetimes are more democratic than Cuba, where residents sometimes complain that the government consults them too much and which regularly has referendums over measures refined up from local committees everywhere until they have a measure to vote on. (See: family code)
China is also extremely capitalist, but yeah it’s really easy to pretend how great it is there when you’re so willing to completely ignore all the reasons it’s not
China is not “extremely” capitalist; its capitalism is intentionally limited. To paraphrase Grover Norquist, the Chinese government keeps capitalism to the size where it can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub. It may appear massive & dominant to you, because 1) you see almost nothing but products by Chinese capitalist companies and 2) you’re not accounting for the full scope and size of China’s population and their production and consumption.
Where and when?
Let’s make it more interesting. Name a place where communism has taken hold and has worked as intended without a ruling class and without resorting to human rights violations of their citizens
Why don’t you just say where and when you lived under a communist regime?
Why are you so insistent I doxx myself to you? For a person defending communism you sure do seem to want to throw me in a dungeon for wrong think
I’m not the one who claimed to have lived under a communist regime. You did.
Are you still living under a communist regime?
Would simply stating where and when you live under a communist regime put you in danger?
If so then why did you volunteer that information on a public Internet forum?
The downvotes say it all. No one in favour of it here seems able to have an honest discussion.
If you are genuinely unable to see that any political system, no matter how great in theory, doesn’t translate that simply into reality because of human behaviour, then you’ve got some reading and thinking to do.
The attitude towards communism here comes across like a cult. Present facts or a reasonable point of discussion, you get shouted down/strawmanned, othered, etc.
Ironically, the very behaviour that stops things like communism working in reality.
China is the most democratic country on Earth, it has done nearly all of the poverty elimination that has occurred on this planet in the last fifty years, it has proven its ability time and time again to solve problems that vex capitalist regimes in humane and effective ways, it has proven to be resilient if not totally immune to the cyclical market shocks that every capitalist regime on the planet is regularly victim to, it has closed the technological gap and is now pulling ahead of the capitalist world in nearly every sector, its citizens are happier than the citizens of any other country and have the highest faith in their government institutions out of any other country…
I could go on. But please tell me about TiAnAnMeN sQuArE and the UyGhUr GeNoCiDe like I haven’t heard those weak ass-arguments a million times.
Why did you bring up China? Wasn’t involved in the conversation, doesn’t qualify as a communist nation, hasn’t claimed to be for a while actually.
Sure China has done some impressive things but those two “weak-ass” arguments you brought up are neither weak nor small. China is an authoritarian state that abuses its people. You could unfortunately say that about many counties though.
*crickets chirping*
2.12 out of 10 on the democracy index.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/democracy-index-eiu
a fake statistic that elevates bourgeois democracies and denigrates any country where the people have power.
😂 You know who defines the metrics for democracy indexes? Liberals who wouldn’t know democracy if it bit them in the ass. People who believe in bourgeois democracy.
Economist Intelligence Unit is by venerable rag of the bourgeoisie, The Economist. Karl Marx himself called it, “the tribune of the aristocracy of finance.”
The US score is 7.8, even though it is not a democracy and never was.
Most in China Call Their Nation A Democracy, Most in U.S. Say America Isn’t
Yeah countries which the US has couped in my parent’s lifetimes are more democratic than Cuba, where residents sometimes complain that the government consults them too much and which regularly has referendums over measures refined up from local committees everywhere until they have a measure to vote on. (See: family code)
Everybody Sucks Here
China is also extremely capitalist, but yeah it’s really easy to pretend how great it is there when you’re so willing to completely ignore all the reasons it’s not
China is not “extremely” capitalist; its capitalism is intentionally limited. To paraphrase Grover Norquist, the Chinese government keeps capitalism to the size where it can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub. It may appear massive & dominant to you, because 1) you see almost nothing but products by Chinese capitalist companies and 2) you’re not accounting for the full scope and size of China’s population and their production and consumption.