i would really like to see someone successfully debate MAGA republicans that trump is unfit for office by reason of either, delusion, or insanity. That or concede that they are either, fascist, or equally deluded and insane.
The line of reasoning is very simple. It piggybacks off of the J6 report, which lines up the argument that there is no world in which trump knew that what he was doing on J6 was legal. The only presented alternative is that the entirety of the federal government is corrupt, and somehow only trump knows this, which is obviously indefensible. So it must follow that trump is either delusional, and unfit for office, or genuinely insane, and also unfit for office.
Therefore, if you don’t think that trump is insane, and unfit for office, you are either, fascist, or insane and equally delusional. There is no alternative reality, because any alternative reality hinges completely on the concept of the entire federal government being entirely corrupt. Which is unfalsifiable and arguably, not possible.
If you support trump in 2024, you are one of three things, stupid, delusional, or fascist. There is no other option. This is categorically provable.
if conservatives will concede this point, i will agree with them on the take of biden being unfit for office, however they will literally never cede this, as they are fucking delusional.
Crying 45 keeps on crying. The orange shitstain should shove off to Moscow and take all the MAGATs with him.
That’s something a dictator would do. 🤔
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Didn’t he say he won the debate? What’s he mad about?
I demand the shitgibbon be shutdown. Did you hear me? I demanded it!
I declare it!
I’m not sure there were opportunities to fact check harris and the one point where trump said it was disproven the “fact check” basically takes trump at his word that trump wasnt talking about the nazis.
Which is a black mark on snopes for allowing an unprovable statement as a fact by a guy known to lie and walk back his missteps.
Conservatives are mad that “they only fact checked Trump”, and yeah, there’s some truth to that…
But they let him tell so many little lies unchallenged. They only fact checked him on the egregious stuff like “Haitians eat pets” and “post-birth abortions”.
Harris may have said some half-truths or omitted context for a few things, but she never told a single non-truth comparable to the things Trump got fact checked for.
The worst actual post-debate criticism I’ve heard for Harris was that she continues to say that Trump will enact Project 2025 and a federal abortion ban as president, despite his statements denying support for these things. The thing is, Trump is a huge fucking liar, and a Republican, so yeah, she’s right to keep saying what he will absolutely do as president, despite his lies to the contrary.
the guy fights dirty. fact checking prevents him from wasting his opponent’s time. if an opponent had to counter all of his wacko statements they would never make progress. it would be some one-sided steamroller garbage. I hope they normalize the fact checking thing.
I think evidence points to the fact that while project 2025 may not be authored by Trump, it is probably something that would influence a trump presidency. kamala harris’ statements about it were correct.
Yeah trump didn’t make that shit up…but he’s a useful idiot who absolutely can be manipulated into letting it happen
a federal abortion ban as president, despite his statements denying support for these things
They straight up asked him the question, and he refused to answer it. So, she didn’t tell a “half truth” - he literally refused to say he would veto a national ban when directly given the opportunity to do so.
As for project 2025, it’s his playbook. Whether or not he will specifically call it that, doesn’t change the fact it’s how he wants to dismantle the federal government.
we know definitively that trump is tied to project 2025, so yeah she’s going to keep saying that.
Didn’t he also get like an extra 5-7 minutes of talk time? He would “answer” a question, Kamala would giver her rebuttal, then he would be like “wait a minute I need to respond to that” and they would let him.
They did that on purpose. Harris originally suggested open mics but Trump pushed back. I’m guessing she told the moderators not to worry too much about letting him get in an unsanctioned response, knowing that if he’s at the point where he’s barging in and ignoring decorum, he’s likely going to self-immolate on camera.
She wasn’t wrong. She was concise enough to get almost every question answered, and baited Trump into humiliating himself. Some of the most damaging things he said were said during time he wasn’t supposed to be speaking.
It’s the perfect trap. Giving him extra time sabotages him, but he can’t complain that getting extra time to speak was a trap, because, as you suggest, at face value, it was unfair to Harris.
It also potentially saved the debate from an early conclusion. Trump has walked out of interviews and debates in the past when they forced him to stop talking or move on.
They really played him well.
Yeah, definitely a double standard on mic control. Any time he opened his mouth they turned his mic on, she tried once and they did a hard pass. Hell, even while they refuted his dog eating claims his mic was on talking over the moderator.
And that’s because all of the media loves Trump. They have a bias, sure, but they know the crazy shit he says sells views/headlines and that’s their business, informing the public is a byproduct.
I did think it was weird that the one time Harris wanted extra time to rebut, they denied her. At the same time, I don’t think Trump really helped himself with all of his extra talking. Never interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake, and all that
That reminds me of the Obama/Romney debate
Harris may have said some half-truths or omitted context for a few things, but she never told a single non-truth comparable to the things Trump got fact checked for.
The problem with Harris is that she’s a professional politician who knows how to skirt the line. So you can challenge her on a point and she can clarify it in her favor and then PoliticoFactCheck has to do a 500 word article getting to the nut of the issue (and they’ll get called liars for their biased interpretation too).
But “Black people in Ohio are eating all your dogs” is much more straightforward and easier to debunk. Same with “infanticide is legal in California”.
Trump is a huge fucking liar, and a Republican
He’s ForwardsFromGrandma tier racist. Even as lying goes, it comes across as weird and vulgar.
A bunch of the stuff he said cant entirely be disproven. Even the eating pets thing wasnt proof, it was the word of a local government official who republicans are likely not to trust.
I don’t know there was more they can besides appeals to authority.
It’s not the job of the person disproving it to prove anything. It’s the job of the person making the assertion and “Well, someone said it on TV!” isn’t proof.
You’re falling for their propaganda.
Republicans started this racist rumor about Haitians in Ohio.
The media talks to city officials and determines that these claims are unfounded.
Republicans claim that the city’s response wasn’t an outright denial, and suggest that this lends some amount of legitimacy that it might be happening.
But that’s bullshit. Government PR (and pretty much every journalist) knows to never make statements of negative fact, because you cannot logically prove a negative. It’s the same reason newspapers use “allegedly” to describe accused criminals: because future events could hypothetically change the truthfulness of the statement.
And that’s all these claims will ever be: hypothetical. When all you have is a hypothesis, it is irresponsible to run away with it as if it were evidence of anything.
“Can’t be disproven” is the default state of most social issues. That alone is equivalent to having zero evidence, and so repeating the completely baseless claims that Haitians might be eating pets, while technically true in a hypothetical sense, could be said about literally any group you want, because there will exist the same amount of evidence of it being true (none).
One can only conclude that anyone peddling this narrative solely wishes to spread racist ideas about Haitians.
Don’t worry Mr. Orange, I called emergency services for you.
Eat a dick, cunt.
well, cunts tend to do just that
Vagina dentata that dick, cunt?
It drives me crazy knowing that anyone takes this absolute clown seriously.
It drives me crazy that no one asks him normal ass questions. Like: can you elaborate? Can you point at it on a map? Do you know what that word means?
Repeat the lies early and often and the general population will eat it up.
Carlin’s quotes about average American voter still rings true today.
This was one reason I appreciated Harris repeating “Project 2025” several times. There’s likely voters that didn’t know about it, and it’s possible her saying it enough got it in their heads to look it up. Can you tell I’m trying to be optimistic?
What’s even sadder is that he would 100% be president right now if he didn’t constantly stick his foot in his own mouth.
Everything about Trump makes him one of the most awful human beings alive, and yet he would be the leader of the free world if he wasn’t also incredibly thin-skinned & stupid.
He was gifted a nonpartisan crisis in an election year. He is so dimwitted and inept that he turned it into a wedge issue. He couldn’t handle epidemiologists getting attention he wanted.
That vile bitch! “You were talking about the economy!” Let him say what the fuck he was talking about. Take off the baby gloves.
Nope. Won’t do it. He wins and your ratings go up.
No matter how tempting, if this asshole wins I will not click a single post or video passed around by Fox News.
Shut HIM down. Lying sack of shit fully believes his own shit. That is strongly indicative of mental deviance enough to disqualify any politician
Ah the ol’ George Costanza method.
“It’s not a lie… If you believe it.”
The problem is that no one fact checks him in his personal life, so he thinks it’s just a thing his political opponents do. But the reality is that no one thinks it’s worth the time to correct his wrong way of thinking, esp. when he can be a useful idiot and use his wrong ideas to distract from the issues at hand
He’s such a whiner.
