i would really like to see someone successfully debate MAGA republicans that trump is unfit for office by reason of either, delusion, or insanity. That or concede that they are either, fascist, or equally deluded and insane.
The line of reasoning is very simple. It piggybacks off of the J6 report, which lines up the argument that there is no world in which trump knew that what he was doing on J6 was legal. The only presented alternative is that the entirety of the federal government is corrupt, and somehow only trump knows this, which is obviously indefensible. So it must follow that trump is either delusional, and unfit for office, or genuinely insane, and also unfit for office.
Therefore, if you don’t think that trump is insane, and unfit for office, you are either, fascist, or insane and equally delusional. There is no alternative reality, because any alternative reality hinges completely on the concept of the entire federal government being entirely corrupt. Which is unfalsifiable and arguably, not possible.
If you support trump in 2024, you are one of three things, stupid, delusional, or fascist. There is no other option. This is categorically provable.
if conservatives will concede this point, i will agree with them on the take of biden being unfit for office, however they will literally never cede this, as they are fucking delusional.
Crying 45 keeps on crying. The orange shitstain should shove off to Moscow and take all the MAGATs with him.
That’s something a dictator would do. 🤔
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Didn’t he say he won the debate? What’s he mad about?
I demand the shitgibbon be shutdown. Did you hear me? I demanded it!
I declare it!
I’m not sure there were opportunities to fact check harris and the one point where trump said it was disproven the “fact check” basically takes trump at his word that trump wasnt talking about the nazis.
Which is a black mark on snopes for allowing an unprovable statement as a fact by a guy known to lie and walk back his missteps.
That vile bitch! “You were talking about the economy!” Let him say what the fuck he was talking about. Take off the baby gloves.
Nope. Won’t do it. He wins and your ratings go up.
No matter how tempting, if this asshole wins I will not click a single post or video passed around by Fox News.
It drives me crazy knowing that anyone takes this absolute clown seriously.
It drives me crazy that no one asks him normal ass questions. Like: can you elaborate? Can you point at it on a map? Do you know what that word means?
Repeat the lies early and often and the general population will eat it up.
Carlin’s quotes about average American voter still rings true today.
This was one reason I appreciated Harris repeating “Project 2025” several times. There’s likely voters that didn’t know about it, and it’s possible her saying it enough got it in their heads to look it up. Can you tell I’m trying to be optimistic?
What’s even sadder is that he would 100% be president right now if he didn’t constantly stick his foot in his own mouth.
Everything about Trump makes him one of the most awful human beings alive, and yet he would be the leader of the free world if he wasn’t also incredibly thin-skinned & stupid.
He was gifted a nonpartisan crisis in an election year. He is so dimwitted and inept that he turned it into a wedge issue. He couldn’t handle epidemiologists getting attention he wanted.
The problem is that no one fact checks him in his personal life, so he thinks it’s just a thing his political opponents do. But the reality is that no one thinks it’s worth the time to correct his wrong way of thinking, esp. when he can be a useful idiot and use his wrong ideas to distract from the issues at hand
He’s such a whiner.
If you don’t want to be fact checked, maybe don’t repeatedly insist that Florida’s abortion ballot measure will legalize killing newborns.
They should legalize abortion of 78-years old babies imo
Already legal in many states, happens every day. Don’t you watch tv?
Don’t worry Mr. Orange, I called emergency services for you.
They barely even fact checked him in the first place. They called him on a total of, what, three things? As opposed to the probably dozens of other complete untruths he uttered, not even just about policy and so forth but actual empirically verifiable elements of reality?
Here’s just what I spotted:
- Lied about not being involved with Project 2025 and not knowing what it is. We know he is acutely aware of what it is, and in fact some members of his staff were involved in its framing.
- Lied about the number of immigrants coming into the country.
- Further lied stating that other countries were “sending all their criminals and mental patients.”
- Claimed people were “aborting” babies after birth (called out by moderators).
- Claimed Harris said she would ban fracking in Pennsylvania (called out by Harris).
- Lied about crime rates going “through the roof” (called out by moderators).
- Responded to this by claiming FBI crime stats were falsified by “leaving out problem cities.”
- Lied about migrants eating people’s pets (called out by moderators).
- Lied about inflation numbers post-pandemic.
- Lied claiming that “Biden” built the Nordstream pipeline.
- Lied claiming he won more votes than any sitting president in the last election (Biden got more)
There were probably others.
He also essentially admitted that his plan for the war in Ukraine was to just let Russia win. That should be pretty damn worrisome for anyone.
I learned that what he does actually has a special name. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
The Gish gallop (/ˈɡɪʃ ˈɡæləp/) is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm an opponent by presenting an excessive number of arguments, with no regard for their accuracy or strength, with a rapidity that makes it impossible for the opponent to address them in the time available. Gish galloping prioritizes the quantity of the galloper’s arguments at the expense of their quality.
Wait what? Why would Biden build the nordstream?
Go ask whatever parasite is running the show in Trump’s brain - it doesn’t make any sense and I remember being very confused by that claim in real time
- “Lied about migrants eating people’s pets (called out by moderators).”
Aliens are eating peoples cats, he said he saw it on TV
I’m sure he was completely truthful when he said he didn’t read Project 2025. It would be very surprising if he read anything besides Mein Kampf.
Hell, I’d be surprised if he’s read more than the Berenstain Bear on audio book
The only way he actually read Mein Kampf is if it came in picture book format
I want this to exist so badly.
Mein erster Kampf
He read Maus but took the wrong lessons from it?
“I hate the art but I love the messaging.”
“Everyone says it, you know Trump really is a genius, they say it. I’ve read all the best books: the Hungry Caterpillar, Green Eggs and Ham, Goodnight Moon. I’m the biggest read person in the country. They say this. The Giving Tree. I hated that book, communist propaganda! Kambala probably wrote it.”
Biden wasn’t a sitting president though.
That’s true on a technicality, but everyone knows what he meant. In the 2020 election, Biden got ~7 million more votes than Trump in addition to winning the electoral college. Trump’s intent was to be intentionally misleading and to twist the qualifications to imply that he should have won last time when, in fact, he didn’t.
It’s a sobering detail of our situation. In 2020, Trump really did receive more votes than any candidate in any previous election. That means a ton of people showed up to vote for him in 2020 that hadn’t in 2016.
He frames it weird (and it sounded weird when he said it) because otherwise it raises the obvious point that Biden also achieved that same record, plus an extra 7 million votes.
True, although population growth is a factor as well.
Like, it wouldn’t be surprising to see more total votes than in 1990, just because there’s a lot more people. Let alone 1890. The “most ever” has pretty declining meaning after going back just a couple of decades.
% of adult population would be more meaningful.
Lied about how much aid the US is giving Ukraine and how others are not. Lied about how the aid is given (it’s in US made products not in Cash, the money stays in the US).
Lied about Kamala being a Border Czar. She led a diplomatic initiative aimed at curbing immigration, she was never directly involved in border matters.
I wish they had pushed him harder on the simple yes or no questions.
Also, Harris missed a perfect opportunity to point out that Trump has been the only president that has advocated a gun ban. “take the guns and figure out due process later”
That would make him enemies right in the middle of his fandom.
The yes/no about “should Ukraine win the war” he wouldn’t answer anything except that he would end the war. He would just give up Ukraine to Russia to end it, though, and he didn’t want to say that on TV.
He loves backstabbing allies. He’s a dishonorable man.
The Kurds remember.
You can’t force him to change his answer. Y’all think you could fact check trump better live.
No, I meant when he was asked a yes or no question directly, multiple times, he never gave an actual answer.
Oh my bad, I agree on that point. Sort of expected it though but it would be nice to hear a simple answer here and there.
Well I demand trump be shut down. For being too old and senile! Bye dementia don
