Guess campus protests require AR-15s now. If the cops don’t like it they’re free to cut the shit.
Also shotguns with birdshot shells, they’re decent against the drones (which they’re using).
LRAD is some fucked up shit, btw. (Part of the large family of sonic weapons)
An LRAD can thus emit a targeted “beam” of sound at very high volume, up to 160 dB at one meter from the device. This is louder than standing behind a jet engine taking off, or a nearby gunshot.[2]
nice thing about LRAD is you can build your own and do a ultimate showdown with the cops
By the way for those that think they’re gonna use actual grenades on children, they’re just foam “fordy mike mikes” (40mm) that are designed to fit in a grenade launcher. Pepper balls are similar to pepper spray (but iirc it’s a bit stronger)
doesn’t make it better lol
If you’ve ever been hit by either (I’ve been hit by a few pepper balls) - it fucking sucks. It is painful, it can, absolutely, be lethal if it hits a neck/face/chest.
The french gendarmerie recently received a new vehicle, it’s a tank equipped with a machine gun and 40mm grenade launcher. They’re deployed in our colony, Caledonia, to enforce an apartheid. They were also used against ecology protesters recently. Last year, a racist cop murdering a kip sparked revolts, anti-terorism units were deployed and shot kids with 12 gauge shotguns. It’s not just america, the rich and powerful are at war with the people everywhere.
C’est absolument dégueulasse…
Nouvelle-Calédonie?
Yeah iirc Caledonia is somewhere in the British Isles.
It’s not just america, the rich and powerful are at war with the people everywhere.
The timing is so weird to me. Like they’ve been amassing riches and power for decades…why did they decide to escalate the conflict now? Do they really believe that a revolution is coming or something? They are continually winning a bloodless propaganda battle to keep accumulating wealth and let everyone else starve, yet they keep escalating things. It’s bizarre to behold.
The inequality is worse than it has been in over a century, people are living closer to the edge than ever, employers are taking the piss at this point, and climate change is beginning to sting. All this is to say that it’s not just the workers feeling the pinch - it’s the petite bourgeoisie too. That scares capital enough to arm themselves more, but not enough to start making concessions.
excuse me wtf
This is all riot control gear. US universities usually have their own police departments, so by extension they usually have their own riot control gear as well.
You wouldn’t use any of this stuff in war. It isn’t designed to kill people (although it can and will, especially if used improperly).
(although it can and will, especially if used improperly).
I guess that why, with the exception of the first 2 entries, every other instance is for training.
All paid by every increasing tuition
All protests should be armed protests.
Americans live in one of the police states of all time. Capitalism can only produce this result, there is no alternative, because the ruling class knows just as well as the socialists do that the contradictions will only keep getting worse and the protests will only keep getting bigger but of course instead of wanting to change the equation to produce a different result like the socialists do the capitalists want to cling to power by any means necessary.
If you replace capitalism in that sentence with another ism you still have the same results.
Not really.
The fundamental critique of capitalism is that not even the capitalists are really in charge. Marx lays out quite thoroughly in Capital that the profit motive is what’s actually in charge, and the capitalists are just along for the ride, and that any attempt by the capitalists to flex their power in a way that the market cannot abide will result in them losing their privileged status and being replaced by a different capitalist who will better serve the needs of the profit motive.
By contrast, socialist systems are run by people. That makes them flexible and able to serve the needs of society in a way that capitalist societies simply aren’t. And yes, people are capable of mistakes, failure, and betrayal; but so too are they capable of insight, success, and solidarity. The best of existing socialist societies past and present is when they buck the demands of the market and provide for their people in ways that capitalist societies don’t, and the worst of socialist societies is invariably the things that they are required to do in order to maintain their existence on a predominantly capitalist world.
Anarchism.
Show me one example of that happening in a real Marxist state.
Out of genuine curiosity, which country do you consider to be a real Marxist state?
China, Russia? The former Yugaslavia? Quite recently Albania. Maybe the people who day capitalism is the root go all evil should visit some museums there.
I’ve visited the museums in China, truly among the most inspiring places on this earth. The world’s largest and most powerful country is also its most free.
/s right?
I said real Marxism, none of those count
No true
ScotsmanMarxist.Ayy you said the line lol
This is the process of excessive liberality turning into excessive authority, and relates to what Republicans react to (with equally excessive zeal) by calling democrats fascist.
Democrats are not (necessarily) fascists. Republicans are not (necessarily) nazis. But the problematic tendencies of the extremes of the parties aren’t resolved by going more extremely partisan and authoritarian.
Some enlightened centrism in this comment. What are your first principles? As the Overton window continues to slide rightward, are you willing to commit to the current equilibrium? Or will you simply adjust each year?
Maybe we shouldn’t be lobbing grenades at college protestors.
Jesus, a fucking LRAD? Those things are NASTY
I’m an Indiana University alum and my dad was a professor there. During the protests there, they had a fucking sniper on the roof. The protests were in a park next to the student union which had been used for protests since the Vietnam War. I was there in middle school in a shanty that was protesting the 1990s Gulf War. Now the new semester has started and there’s a chain link fence around the whole thing.
The president just got a raise.
Makes me fucking sick.
Here’s the sniper:
I used to climb up to that roof where that sniper is with friends when I was in high school to smoke weed, so that was a trip to see.
I agree it’s insane what they do, but the sniper is needed with the direction we’ve gone. The sniper is there in case someone with a gun comes to kill protesters, not to kill protesters or they would have done it by now. They really are there for everyone’s safety. Now the guys on the ground who attack people or the guys firing pepper rounds/spray at protesters, they’re the ones we should be complaining about. The ones who are actually applying violence to protesters. The sniper may appear worse if you aren’t paying attention, but they’ve yet to actually shoot anyone, while protesters have been assaulted.
Nonsense. The sniper is part of the same police force as the one attacking protesters.
Which side did the cops take when protesters in New York were attacked?
They are a part of the same police force. I’m not saying they’re good people. I’m saying this role is not one doing harm, and is actually useful until we get our shooting issue under control. You’ll see the same snipers at sporting events and anywhere else with a large gathering. They’re obviously not there for the protesters, but in case someone decides to do something to start killing others.
Why has there never been a sniper there before then? There’s a huge festival every year in that park with a huge number of students and non-students, including a lot of teenagers, with live bands playing on more than one stage. Never a sniper.
Because gun violence is more of a risk than ever.
Honestly I would feel better with the sniper there, so they could stop random nut who shows up with an assault rifle. Which is really sad.
Cops ARE the gun violence. But they don’t have to be the only ones!
This isn’t inner city Detroit, this is a small Indiana city. Snipers are not the norm.
It’s not the norm in inner city Detroit either…
No Idea. My university did a yearly celebration as well and we for sure had snipers and guys with rifles walking around. If you know where to look, they’re at most large events. I can’t tell you about this location specifically, but it’s common.
This is Bloomington, Indiana. Population 80,000. Police snipers aren’t generally a thing in towns that size.
Not American so not up to speed on what’s going on…
Are these students that are protesting doing it with tanks, machine guns, grenades, planes? Are they being at all non-peaceful? Has anyone been killed?
Aren’t they protesting about the arms supplied to Israel and being used against Gazans?
The worst things that happen are when students lock the door to a building, or when fascist counter protestors (often in police uniforms) show up and escalate shit.
You don’t understand, they have signs. Signs. And they shout. Better buy some bear spray.
Oh my fucking god, and they impeding on someone’s income? The monsters!
UC Merced annual training required only 7 rounds, while UC San Francisco used 7000 and UC Santa Barbara used 9000 🤔
Shoutout to UC Davis for having the only police department on the list who “did not use any military equipment during this timeframe”.
For some reason the linked PDF varies from the screenshot in several ways, though most of the numbers are the same. (UC Riverside’s number of rounds of .556-range ammunition used in training is 3000 in the screenshot but 6000 in the PDF now.)
I was curious how much this launcher costs:
… over here I see this glorified paintball gun is normally $2400 but currently on sale for just $1850.
What do they need grenade launchers for???
With a weird mind you could excuse single target weapons, but grenades? Do you want want to free some seats early?
For the 40mm impact munitions in the list. Riot control gear.
“Grenade launcher” here isn’t very specific. Could be like an M203 or something, which is a tube launcher that lobs 40mm rounds up to about 100m. You can absolutely get 40mm frag grenades and blow shit up, that’s what most people think of when they think of a “grenade launcher,” but that’s not what it’s on the list here. You can lob gas canisters, smoke, illumination flares, etc etc etc, just depends on what you’re trying to do.
It kind of fits SAS tactics, who often complete missions with no lethal shots. They flood areas with CS gas (using grenade launchers) then invade with gas masks.
Less-lethal grenades, probably.
Grenade launcher make excellent multi-purpose payload delivery systems. You can put bean bags in them for direct firing, and pepper “spray” or tear-gas canisters for indirect engagements.
Fucking excuse me?