With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.

“With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.”

    • nomous@lemmy.world
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      10 days ago

      Harris wants to win over Stein voters, this is definitely not the way to do it.

      This is true, I’ve already spoken to all 7 of them, they’re mad.

    • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      Good thing then this is an opinion piece from a publication, and not something from Harris?

      If Stein voters are offended by an article that a journalist writes about how ineffectual the Green Party is, and they blame Harris for that, that says more about the voters than it does anything else.

      Namely that Greens will blame everyone except themselves for election losses.

    • geekwithsoul@lemm.eeOPEnglish
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      10 days ago

      So no thoughts on perennial sorta kinda candidate Stein making the Green Party a laughingstock then? Or the fact that with her campaign only surviving with the help of GOP operatives and Russian propaganda campaigns, she’s actually making it harder to take third party candidates seriously at any level of government?

      • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
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        10 days ago

        What convinced you that the Green Party is a laughingstock and that Stein is responsible?

        Or the fact that with her campaign only surviving with the help of GOP operatives and Russian propaganda campaigns, she’s actually making it harder to take third party candidates seriously at any level of government?

        Which GOP donors and Russian operatives are you referring to? Donations are a matter of public record. Which ones are from the GOP and Russia?

      • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
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        10 days ago

        No thoughts on the democratic party completely capitulating to a reactionary right wing framework on Israel, immigration, and foreign policy? No thoughts on the Biden/Harris administration actively funding a genocide for the past year? No thoughts on Kamala promising to continue allowing Israel to “defend itself”? Blue maga is literally celebrating the endorsement of the architect of the invasion of Iraq. Did the Democratic establishment forget to at least pretend to be an opposition party?

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          10 days ago

          Jill Stein does not know how many Representatives are in the US House of Representatives.

          Anyone care to defend that? That the kind of President you want?

          • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
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            10 days ago

            I’m voting for Claudia de la Cruz, not that it matters. neither Claudia, Cornel West, or Jill Stein are actively funding a genocide.

              • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
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                10 days ago

                Oh I give a shit about the working class of Ukraine, thanks for asking. It’s just that Biden/Harris aren’t bypassing Congress multiple times to send $60 billion of my tax dollars to Russia to further their imperialism. But yeah you definitely don’t care about Palestinians, you’ve made that clear. I’m willing to bet you don’t care for the people of Syria, or Libya, or Afghanistan, or Iraq either. I wonder what the common denominator is there. Maybe you just absolutely despise brown Muslims on the opposite end of US imperial conquest.

                • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
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                  9 days ago

                  You’re carrying water for people who say Russia had no choice but to invade and that Russia isn’t to blame for starting the war.

                  These candidates are excusing Russia’s actions and not assigning proper culpability to the genocidal, imperial Putin regime. And you’re going to vote for them?

                • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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                  9 days ago

                  So how come you’ve got a line in the sand that you won’t support any candidate who supports Palestinian genocide, but that doesn’t apply to Ukrainian genocide?

                  By your own logic you should be rejecting the Greens too.

            • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              10 days ago

              neither Claudia, Cornel West, or Jill Stein are actively funding a genocide.

              Yes, because none of these people work in the government so no fucking shit.

              You’re essentially voting for Donald Trump, just remember that. You can try to rationalize it, but you cannot argue with reality.

              If you actually gave a single shit about the Palestinian people (that you suddenly started caring about on an election year, despite the conditions in Gaza being this way for literal decades), then you will do anything to make sure that Donald Trump does not get elected.

              If you want a viable third party, you don’t wait until 8 months before an election every 4 years to steal votes from the Democratic party. Until we do away with first past the post and/or the Electoral College, voting for anyone other than one of the two major parties is akin to not voting at all (or in many cases, an active detriment to the Democratic party, which is why it’s always such a no-brainer for Putin. Maximum social discord, minimum cost).

              I know that you know this. I just want you to remember it when Trump wins and by February Palestine literally ceases to exist. If you want to see this genocide kicked into high gear all you gotta do is: vote for Donald Trump, vote for a third party, or not vote at all… And then you too can feel like you’re part of the action!

              • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
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                9 days ago

                I’ve been heavily anti-Israel since the murder of Rouzan al-Najjar in 2018. I’ve worked on multiple local campaigns for both independent and Democratic candidates alike. But reading through your rant it definitely sounds like you’re projecting a lot of your own personal insecurities. I’m sorry that exercising my freedom to vote for a candidate that aligns with my values of not commiting genocide upsets you. I hope you can look past your own shortcomings as a human being and learn to forgive yourself for being ok with your tax dollars slaughtering an entire indigenous population.

                • ochi_chernye@startrek.website
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                  9 days ago

                  But your proposed course of action clearly doesn’t align with your stated goal, for reasons that have already been pointed out to you. I don’t see you engaging with that argument. This leads me to believe that you don’t actually care about what happens to Palestinians; you just want to feel like you’re taking a moral stand. People that actually give a shit tend to care about what the consequences of their actions will be.

        • pyre@lemmy.world
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          9 days ago

          dude she can’t unequivocally say Putin is a war criminal. save me the capitulation bullshit.

          • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
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            9 days ago

            We’re going to have the most lethal military because 70 percent of your tax dollars should go to the department of defense rather than addressing the tens of thousands of Americans dying from lack of access to healthcare, lack of public transit that would provide accessibility to underserved communities, particularly those of color, or funding education so that teachers don’t need to live out of their cars or have fundraisers to pay for their curriculum.

            We will continue to ensure Israel can defend itself from children throwing rocks and homemade rockets against a brutal apartheid regime that controls every aspect of Palestinian life.

            We’re going to focus on border security because immigrants are clearly the problem as stated initially by the GOP, rather than counter a racist narrative using a false premise with the fact that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a substantially lower rate than American citizens and also greatly contribute to our economy.

            Yeah that’s literally just conservative policy.

            • pyre@lemmy.world
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              9 days ago

              i don’t know what you’re arguing for. stein is not it. she’s not genuine. she’s done nothing to make the green party even remotely relevant for a decade. she just shows up every four years to collect money. she’s a grifter.

                • pyre@lemmy.world
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                  9 days ago

                  when did you mention that? this whole thread was about stein and you kept going on tangents about military and shit.

                  also wow that brings the total de la Cruz votes to … i guess 1? there will be a margin of error so it should be somewhere between -99 and 101. congrats on your vote for the republican party.

        • Fades@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          10 days ago

          this post is about Stein and the Green party, nobody asked for your literal whataboutism. Shows just how effective geekwithsoul’s comment is that you couldn’t muster a single word in response and instead turned to “b-b-b-but democrats!!!”

            • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
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              9 days ago

              Do we really have to explain the difference between public officials who work in foreign policy and directly represent the United States, versus private citizens?

            • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              10 days ago

              Do you not know what a state dinner is?

              Wow, you found one of the millions of photos of The President of the United States dining with another world leader. Congrats.

              What was Jill’s excuse?

              • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
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                10 days ago

                She went to an RT party, was investigated by the Senate Intelligence Committee, and excused. Don’t vote for her if you don’t want to. I won’t, because I’m in a swing state. But the dis/mis information and slandering of third parties should be disconcerting for anyone who wants more choices in this duopoly.

                • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  10 days ago

                  RT

                  So literally the Kremlin’s propaganda arm. Totally normal stuff…

                  After all, she was a government official at the time, so it’s normal for her to dine with the Russian president. Oh wait, she wasn’t?

                  Well at least she was a major presidential candidate right? Oh, never more than ~1.4% you say?

                  Well I’m sure Putin and his oligarch buddies just wanted to meet her because they’re big fans 🙄.

                  I have a hard time believing any of you Jill Stein shills are actually for real. I really hope you’re not.

          • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
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            10 days ago

            Mentioning that the current admin has been actively funding a genocide for a year and that both major parties promise to continue to do so in 2025, isn’t a whataboutism. Sorry to criticize your genocidal queen, I know stopping to consider that brown Muslims are humans too can be very taxing on most Americans.

    • aaa999@lemmy.world
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      10 days ago

      we’re not trying to win you over we’re trying to have one fucking space in the whole world that isn’t rotten with useful idiots to the point of being unusable. leave

        • RubberDuck@lemmy.world
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          10 days ago

          In the current 2 party system there is no alternative. An un-serious candidate like stein has no chance to win, no chance to get anything done as she lacks all down ballot support. So calling it dogmatically is nonsense it is realistically. With the razor thin margins, do you really want to run the risk of a trump victory?

        • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
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          9 days ago

          Stein said Russia wasn’t entirely at fault for the war and their invasion of Ukraine. She refused to condemn Putin in a recent interview, with an independent progressive journalist.

          You’re supporting a lesser evil too. You just don’t want to recognize it. And in that regard, yes, people who vote for Democrats and recognize their imperfections are morally superior.

  • buddascrayon@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    And Stein’s answer every single time this comes up?

    “What about Gaza?”

    She is literally an operative for Russia and the Republicans. This isn’t even a meme or conspiracy theory, it’s simply a plain truth.

    • ZMoney@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      I don’t understand how a genocide can be taken so lightly. Some people have trouble casting a vote for any political party that sponsors one.

      • buddascrayon@lemmy.world
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        9 days ago

        Okay Mr better party choice. Here’s a scenario: You and your friends vote for Jill Stein over Kamala Harris. Now, Kamala Harris has something of a chance to get a ceasefire out of Israel and stop the killing she has stated that that is her goal. But she doesn’t get elected because you deluded morons voted for Jill Stein. No, Donald Trump gets elected instead and he pumps the gas on the genocide in Gaza as he has stated several times that he will do. He pours every military asset we have into Israel and gives them carte blanche to wipe out everyone in Gaza. And then on top of that he pulls all of our aid out of Ukraine and Russia steamrolls over the ukrainians wiping them out.

        Now who supports genocide you fucking twit?

        • irreticent@lemmy.world
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          8 days ago

          Okay Mr better party choice. Here’s a scenario: You and your friends vote for Jill Stein over Kamala Harris. Now, Kamala Harris has something of a chance to get a ceasefire out of Israel and stop the killing she has stated that that is her goal. But she doesn’t get elected because you and your friends voted for Jill Stein. No, instead Donald Trump gets elected and he pumps the gas on the genocide in Gaza as he has stated several times that he absolutely will do. He pours every military asset we have into Israel and gives them carte blanche to wipe out everyone in Gaza. And then on top of that he pulls all of our aid out of Ukraine and Russia steamrolls over the ukrainians wiping them out.

          Now who supports genocide?

          I wonder what it was about your comment that made the mods remove it. I don’t see any rules broken.

          • buddascrayon@lemmy.world
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            8 days ago

            I have since altered it to remove the offending remarks. Basically I called the person an idiot, but in some slightly stronger language. Unfortunately it doesn’t look like the mods care to restore the comment.

        • ZMoney@lemmy.world
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          9 days ago

          The other thing I don’t understand is all the anger and vitriol from you guys. Everyone who lives in the US and contributes tax dollars to the federal government supports genocide. The US has been supporting Israel unconditionally for decades. Do you really think Kamala Harris is sincere about stopping this, given how Biden’s administration has handled the situation? Or any other Democrat or Republican since Carter?

          • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world
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            9 days ago

            They do more then what Trump does. Regardless by letting Tump win you are saying you are okay with the genocides going on in Ukraine. At least more might survive under Harris. Under Trump they will die too. And you will be every bit as guilty as anyone who voted for trump because you could not get over your ego and do the littlest fucking thing for your beliefs.

            Does anyone in the green party even have experience on the federal level?

            • ZMoney@lemmy.world
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              9 days ago

              Again, not understanding where the anger is coming from. I’m not even supporting a specific candidate. I’m pointing out that 3d parties that take a stand against US imperialism will always have support, because neither major party can be trusted in this regard. And again, for some people, this is a line they won’t cross. I’ll stop now because clearly this is unproductive.

          • buddascrayon@lemmy.world
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            9 days ago

            The US has been supporting Israel unconditionally for decades.

            Yes because support for Israel is a complicated issue. All of the middle east is a complicated issue. We were spurned on by guilt for allowing the Holocaust to happen and then groups like AIPAC have spent millions(probably billions at this point) to make lack of support for Israel be considered antisemitism. And both democrats and republicans are supported by not only large numbers of Jewish Americans who believe that whole heartedly but a huge number of non-Jewish people who’ve been convinced of it as well. So no candidate who opposes Israel directly can get elected, literally ever. Because literally millions of Americans will vote against them just for uttering even the slightest waiver of support for Israel. Meanwhile Arabs in the middle east have made themselves well hated by most Americans through acts of terror against us for the last 60 years. So a large plurality of otherwise liberal Americans don’t really care that Israel is wiping out Palestinians. Especially after Hamas gave Israel such a great excuse by attacking a bunch of innocent people at a rock concert and taking all those hostages.

            So yes. The Democrats are using kid gloves to try to put a stop to what Israel is doing in Gaza. Because if they didn’t, they would lose millions of votes of support. And since republicans don’t give a shit about genocide, they are more than happy to pay lip service to AIPAC and Israeli interests. Meanwhile Trump and his allies are drawing up their plans to literally end our own democracy should he get elected.

            But hey, you’re voting you conscience and choosing to toss your vote in the garbage by voting for the one candidate that opposes Israel. Cause she’s come out of hiding once again to stamp her name on a ballot and give you that peace of mind.

      • zbyte64@awful.systems
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        9 days ago

        I support the college protestors even when people say they’re hurting the cause, but I would say Jill Stein definitely hurts the cause.

        • ZMoney@lemmy.world
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          9 days ago

          I think you’re suggesting Trump would be worse than Harris for the cause. But my point is that a lot of people feel that voting for either is sanctioning genocide, and Stein fills that niche by condemning it. It’s pretty low-hanging fruit for a politician.

          I’m legitimately curious as to how college protestors could be hurting the cause.

      • lengau@midwest.socialEnglish
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        8 days ago

        I’ve given more details elsewhere, but the short version:

        We can classify US presidential votes into three categories:

        1. Vote for the Democrat
        2. Vote for the Republican
        3. Vote third-party/independent or don’t vote

        The most effective vote to make on an anti-genocide platform is #1.

        Voting for a Republican is voting for a party that appears to be profoundly okay with the genocide in Gaza AND wants to start some genocides of their own (e.g. against trans folks, immigrants and racial minorities). This is the most pro-genocide vote.

        Voting for a Democrat is voting for a party that has a fairly significant group that opposes the genocide, and which appears to be movable on the topic.

        Any other vote is roughly equivalent to not voting. On the presidental front, there is no chance in this election that anyone other than a candidate from one of the main two parties is elected, and that’s also true for most senate or house races. (Possibly all, but I don’t want to make that strong claim since I haven’t actually researched all the races.) Voting for a candidate who you know won’t win is explicitly choosing not to have a say between the tho feasible candidates.

        I do have one caveat though…

        If you live in West Virginia for example, it’s a bit more complex. There your choice is essentially “the Republican or not the Republican,” so third-party/independent moves into category 1. However, then I’d argue that voting for the Democrat for president may still be the preferable response because if the Republican wins the electoral college but, (as has happened in every presidential election since 1990 except 2004) the Democrat still wins the popular vote, it further delegitimises the Republican’s presidency and the electoral college.

      • Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
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        9 days ago

        Imagine being such a scumbag that you make fun of the Holocaust because you don’t like a country that didn’t exist in 1944. Or is it maybe the race of people you don’t like

        • SeattleRain@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          9 days ago

          Right, making a joke about a past Holocaust is so much worse then implicitly endorsing one your own country is perpetrating right now.

            • SeattleRain@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              9 days ago

              No this is about how your righteous indignation about the Jewish Holocaust is complete BS because you refuse to speak out against one your letting happen now. You would have been a coward then as you are now.

              • Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
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                9 days ago

                Says the American, who has genocided half the world without an apology. Your people genocided mine and called us all sorts of names. Now you’ve moved on and want to take the moral high ground while there’s a line of bodies and blood behind you

                • SeattleRain@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  8 days ago

                  I was against those genocides too. The Zionist brain is so diseased that they really believe they can justify genocide by saying “Not fair, you did it too!” Ahahahah

      • scottywh@lemmy.world
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        9 days ago

        😂 🤡

        The ronald dump supporter thinks other people are the ones vulnerable and susceptible to propaganda.

        Pure fucking comedy.

        • DTFpanda@lemmy.world
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          9 days ago

          😂 🤡

          Braindead shitlib thinks there’s only two choices for presidential candidates in a thread about a 3rd party candidate. jackass

          • scottywh@lemmy.world
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            9 days ago

            You’re so fucking smart aren’t you… Such a special little guy.

            I’m so impressed that you’re able to recognize that shitty 3rd party candidates exist in a thread specifically about them.

            Buddy, take your head out of your stupid ass for a change.

  • a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    Jill Stein doesn’t know how many members of the House there are in Congress. 600?!?!

    There is a 100% chance that Trump couldn’t name how many members there are in the house. I’d be shocked if he could list the branches of government without help.

    note I’m not saying that’s acceptable. But if that’s your test for “is this a serious candidate” I hate to be the bearer of bad news…

  • Don Escobar@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    10 days ago

    I only hear about this candidate a month before the election for the last 50 years, how is this mummy still here?

  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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    9 days ago

    Even if you assume she isn’t a bad faith actor, she’s still objectively failed to pass the one thing the world needs, the Green New Deal, and environmentalism is in the worst shape it’s been in decades.

    That’s not all her fault, but her protest candidacy weirdness put Trump in office the first time instead of spending that time and effort on actual policy so…

    Fuck off already?

    • SeattleRain@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 days ago

      Haha oh really. It had nothing to do with Hilary being the worst candidate ever? The authoritarian electoral college founded to preserve slavery? The rampant voter suppression by Republicans that Democrats refuse to stop. It was all her fault huh?

      • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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        9 days ago

        All her fault, no, but if she was a real progressive she would have learned a lesson and made a play for a lower office. But it’s very clear that’s not what she’s being paid to do.

      • Scirocco@lemm.ee
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        9 days ago

        Certainly if she has been trying to effect real change in a realistic way, rather than an egocentric impossible run at the presidency…

        Things would have been different. She was one of many straws, which if subtracted, would have prevented trump

        So for that and that alone, she and the rest of the greens can fuck right off.

        See the No Labels folks for a more common sense way to be activist on national level politics.

        Greens would be great if they would focus on good, winnable races from the bottom up…

        What that called again?? Uhh ‘grass roots’

        • SeattleRain@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          9 days ago

          She funded an investigations that showed Hilary had won a state that went to Donald Trump. But sure it’s her that doesn’t care about democracy not the Democrats that rolled over on not one but two elections where they likely won.

    • Telorand@reddthat.com
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      11 days ago

      Pretending they had a chance in a voting system that can barely support two parties was kinda pitiable. Until we have RCV for federal elections at a minimum, they will never have a shot.

      • Omega@lemmy.world
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        10 days ago

        They have a shot, by joining the Democratic Party. The same way that progressives join liberals, make their voice heard, and let the voters decide.

        • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
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          10 days ago

          Or, just here me out, the Democrats adopt ranked choice voting from the Green Party platform, ditch aid to Israel, and make Jill Stein obsolete. I know, I know, it’s crazy. But, it might just work.

          • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            9 days ago

            Or just hear me out, the green party stops playing spoiler every 4 years. Proving that their platform is meaningless and empty. And instead focuses on running and recruiting for state and local legislature to actually pass ranked Choice voting. And where it makes sense, such as offices no Democrat is running for. Recruit and endorsed a candidate to run as the combined democrat/green party candidate. Instead of constantly splitting the vote helping conservatives and the bourgeoisie.

            • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
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              9 days ago

              I guess we’re never getting ranked choice voting then. And the genocide will continue until morale improves, according to bourgeois liberals.

      • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
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        10 days ago

        This is a little discussed problem with fptp (along with many others) it gives minor parties perverse incentive to play spoiler, which gives foreign actors an opportunity to find spoilers.

      • Asafum@feddit.nl
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        10 days ago

        A-fucking-men.

        The Green Party should be the RCV party and that should be their main focus. After that then they and any other party would actually stand a chance. Republicans are actively banning RCV from being implemented and Democrats are slow walking it, but we need to keep pushing.

        • Telorand@reddthat.com
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          10 days ago

          TBH, I don’t see it happening except organically from within the Democratic Party. If enough progressive Democrats get elected, I think it stands a chance to happen in our lifetimes.

            • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
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              10 days ago

              This is just not true. Places which are doing RCV are literally state at metro democratic strongholds. Democrats are literally the only ones pushing it.

              • blazera@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                10 days ago

                Vested interest meaning it benefits them, i doubt you disagree with the current system of only two parties being considered for elections improves the odds of those two parties winning elections

                • jj4211@lemmy.world
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                  10 days ago

                  Actually, an RCV system may help the democrats, at least in the short term.

                  For the last couple of decades, the “spoiler” candidates generally take from the democrats more than the republicans. Last big spoiler third party that screwed the right was Perot that I remember. With RCV, then the ‘fringe’ votes can still be cast and democrats can work toward being the second choice of those hardliners. At least in the short term, it alleviates the need to actually compete for votes with candidates that are going to lose anyway.

                  Longer term, it may cause a viable third party or more to get some steam (attracting practical candidates that no longer see the need to be a D or R to get votes, the parties generally getting left alone by outside forces that find them not worth weaponizing), but I don’t think the politicians are too concerned on that long a time frame.

                • Telorand@reddthat.com
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                  10 days ago

                  What I disagree with is your implication that they will only ever act in their own interests. I do not know that to be true in the future (and neither do you), as not everyone is motivated by money or power. Enough politicians who see it as vital to the health of US democracy, and change will happen.

                  I’m not proposing that it will, only that it is far from a precluded possibility. As Boomers die out and retire, I have hope for the Millennials and Gen Zers who replace them.

        • jj4211@lemmy.world
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          10 days ago

          That would mean actually caring about running campaigns for state goverments. State governments are the ones that can (and in Alaska’s case have) implement RCV.

          • jj4211@lemmy.world
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            10 days ago

            That’s all well and good, but useless in any federal race because the federal government does not dictate how the elections/voting are done.

            Brings it back around to if you care so damn much, then focus your resources on state governments.

            • blazera@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              10 days ago

              You should reread the elections clause. Congress has authority to regulate elections

  • Strike1@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    “given that she herself has received tens of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from Google, Lockheed Martin, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, and McKinsey.” I don’t see this information on the FEC website. Can anybody actually find this information? I sort this page by Amount, and it doesn’t list these companies. It lists people:

    https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/?data_type=processed&committee_id=C00505800&committee_id=C00581199&two_year_transaction_period=2016

  • Phegan@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    Jill Stein is both a terrible candidate and possibly a Russian agent. Even if I do align with much of the green parties stances and I live in a solidly blue state, I would never vote for her out of principle

    • DTFpanda@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      then you are effectively falling right in line with the lies the DNC sold you since the “russian agent” theory is easily debunked after 5 seconds of googling.

    • Scirocco@lemm.ee
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      9 days ago

      Indeed. I might vote for some Greens down-ballot, but Stein is a stain on the party and its cause

  • RalphFurley@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    They never organize, canvass, campaign… they never put in the work. It’s easy to sit on Twitter all day and disparage the Democratic Party (yes they have many flaws as well) and nothing else.

    They’re lazy grifters.

    What exactly did Jill Stein do with that $7 million for the recount? She was interviewed by Mehdi Hassan and he kept asking her why she won’t call out Putin when she has no problem calling out Bibi. Yes two things can be true at once. She just couldn’t explain why she refused to call Putin out on his war mongering and genocide.