The example of Arizona, where the departure of 40% of unauthorized migrants led to an annual reduction of 2% of GDP, provides clues as to what may happen at the national level if the Republican candidate delivers on his promise
In my experience Republicans with skin in the game who understand how the bread gets buttered aren’t as xenophobic as the poor ones.
For example I work in construction and many projects would grind to a halt without illegal labor. Everyone implicitly understands this so we all agree to look the other way.
Illegals are willing to work harder jobs, work with more enthusiasm, and with lower pay. Costs of construction would skyrocket without them.
The most xenophobic ones are the ones that feel threatened by the presence of illegals. Ie low skill and low wage.
Fair enough. I’ve only ever had experience with construction in the SE region (FL, GA, MO, etc). I’ve honestly never even met a farmer. Perhaps it’s different. Or we can’t generalize everyone by absolute statements.
In Florida DeSantis passed a bill this year or last year that made it a crime to drive an illegal to and from work. What happened is a mini-exodus of illegal laborers as they were scared of FL.
Immediately after stage legislature reps basically openly said “don’t worry this law is symbolic please don’t leave”
The anti-immigrant this is mostly a way to rile up their base. Ultimately the GOP (and DNC) have to respect the monied interests. Very large companies who indirectly benefit from illegal labor stand to lose a lot from deporting illegals. Ie AT&T doesn’t hire illegals. But they have a contractor to build a fiber network in a city. That contractor doesn’t hire illegals. But they have a subcontractor who does. When you ripple your way down eventually you have illegals.
Prices for many things will go up for every Americans as well, which is dangerous for politicians.
If price of labor goes up, everything goes up with it. And while a small portion of workers will see increased wages (low skill, low wage laborers), the net effect would inevitably be higher prices for majority of Americans.
GOP understands this. That’s why I think their strategy of using this as a rallying cry to drum up the xenophobia is such stupid short-term thinking.
It will eventually get to the point you’ll be forced to shoot yourself in the foot. It’s madness.
Right now majority of the people in this country support the mass deportation of all illegals. Not just GOP, majority of everyone.
That would inevitably mean detention centers (aka concentration camps) in all major urban centers where tens of thousands of illegals would be held until they could be deported.
Even if you used 10% of all airplanes in this country, it could take over a year to get rid of them all.
Realistically, we’re talking about putting millions of people into camps for years.
Have you ever worked in agriculture? I have. Very few Americans are physically capable of doing farm work, except maybe part-time.
Meanwhile Americans have become so accustomed to heavily-subsidized food (subsidized through the government, unethical labor practices, and unsustainable land management) that we have no idea what the “actual” cost of food is. Many Americans would be literally unable (and most others would seriously struggle) to afford food grown on farms using environmentally sustainable methods and paying their employees a living wage. And I’m not convinced you could even find sufficient labor by offering a living wage: it is literally back-breaking work that exposes you to the elements, mostly occurs in the middle of butt-fuck nowhere, and is SUPER monotonous (in the case of monoculture farms, which most are).
I’m not sure there are many Americans that would do field work for $50/hr and on top of that, farmers would have to pay actual labor overhead and have a certain standard of work.
It’s so odd that farmer hate immigrants but couldn’t survive without them.
In my experience Republicans with skin in the game who understand how the bread gets buttered aren’t as xenophobic as the poor ones.
For example I work in construction and many projects would grind to a halt without illegal labor. Everyone implicitly understands this so we all agree to look the other way.
Illegals are willing to work harder jobs, work with more enthusiasm, and with lower pay. Costs of construction would skyrocket without them.
The most xenophobic ones are the ones that feel threatened by the presence of illegals. Ie low skill and low wage.
Ehhh I have family in-laws that have giant farms and are pretty xenophobic and have to be reminded they wouldn’t exist without their labor.
Fair enough. I’ve only ever had experience with construction in the SE region (FL, GA, MO, etc). I’ve honestly never even met a farmer. Perhaps it’s different. Or we can’t generalize everyone by absolute statements.
In Florida DeSantis passed a bill this year or last year that made it a crime to drive an illegal to and from work. What happened is a mini-exodus of illegal laborers as they were scared of FL.
Immediately after stage legislature reps basically openly said “don’t worry this law is symbolic please don’t leave”
The anti-immigrant this is mostly a way to rile up their base. Ultimately the GOP (and DNC) have to respect the monied interests. Very large companies who indirectly benefit from illegal labor stand to lose a lot from deporting illegals. Ie AT&T doesn’t hire illegals. But they have a contractor to build a fiber network in a city. That contractor doesn’t hire illegals. But they have a subcontractor who does. When you ripple your way down eventually you have illegals.
Prices for many things will go up for every Americans as well, which is dangerous for politicians.
If price of labor goes up, everything goes up with it. And while a small portion of workers will see increased wages (low skill, low wage laborers), the net effect would inevitably be higher prices for majority of Americans.
GOP understands this. That’s why I think their strategy of using this as a rallying cry to drum up the xenophobia is such stupid short-term thinking.
It will eventually get to the point you’ll be forced to shoot yourself in the foot. It’s madness.
Right now majority of the people in this country support the mass deportation of all illegals. Not just GOP, majority of everyone.
That would inevitably mean detention centers (aka concentration camps) in all major urban centers where tens of thousands of illegals would be held until they could be deported.
Even if you used 10% of all airplanes in this country, it could take over a year to get rid of them all.
Realistically, we’re talking about putting millions of people into camps for years.
It’s madness we’ve all gone mad
I think they’re mad at the wrong people. The middle men are the bad guys in my eyes. Same goes for bullshit like pharmacy benefit companies.
They could, they’d just make less money if they had to, you know, pay for their labor and give their employees rights…
Have you ever worked in agriculture? I have. Very few Americans are physically capable of doing farm work, except maybe part-time.
Meanwhile Americans have become so accustomed to heavily-subsidized food (subsidized through the government, unethical labor practices, and unsustainable land management) that we have no idea what the “actual” cost of food is. Many Americans would be literally unable (and most others would seriously struggle) to afford food grown on farms using environmentally sustainable methods and paying their employees a living wage. And I’m not convinced you could even find sufficient labor by offering a living wage: it is literally back-breaking work that exposes you to the elements, mostly occurs in the middle of butt-fuck nowhere, and is SUPER monotonous (in the case of monoculture farms, which most are).
As someone that has done agricultural work, it’s easier than any job in an Amazon warehouse.
Or when they can’t find enough workers and their crops die in the fields…
There’s a few million people out of work, they can find workers. They just actually have to pay.
I’m not sure there are many Americans that would do field work for $50/hr and on top of that, farmers would have to pay actual labor overhead and have a certain standard of work.
They certainly don’t call it voting against your own interests for nothing!