Nic Cage

I don’t have to have knowledge of Tesla’s exact implementation to know how a LIDAR based autonomous system works. How absolutely insulting and asinine. What we reverse engineered was plenty eye-opening for how “different” and “state-of-the-art” their technology really is. It’s more experience than you have with such a system.

I’m very much 100% confident I am more knowledgeable than you on this topic. 🤣🤣

If you don’t limit the scope of time, yeah, although I’d say yesterday’s convenience tech can become today’s necessary tech.

I don’t know, the more I think about “convenience technology”, the more I dislike the term.

My cats take it one step further, they sleep on the cat tree in my home office, mocking me.

Oh babe, it’s completely obvious. I just wish arguments from anecdotes were more obvious.

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Bless your heart, sweetie.

That’s literally the entire point of the article in OP. You repeatedly blamed Autopilot for several deaths. If that’s not the point, what is?

Let me check where I first commented on the article. Oh…I didn’t, just on your anecdotal evidence. I tried to give some frame of reference for your “proportion” which devolved into discussing responsibility for the deaths. Not my intention with my parent comment reply.

It absolutely is. It doesn’t require anything more. That’s just a fact.

I’ll start letting everyone know their anecdotal evidence is more than enough to start dismissing other qualified claims then. This is going to revolutionize science and reality!

One of the fortunate American suburbanites, many are not so lucky. I now live in the Netherlands and either bike or take the train where I need to go.

I’m right there with you. I immigrated to the Netherlands and I no longer own a car (well I have a track car, but that’s different). I just bike or take the train everywhere.

Why the accidents happen is not why I commented. I’m not going to argue if the assistance system is responsible or the driver is, that’s a different argument and it’s my fault I let it get to this point.

I don’t have any biases.

Says the person that literally drives a Tesla with Autopilot, as claimed in your parent comment.

“Bias: A statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others.”

You’ve favored your own 10k+ miles over an ex-Tesla employee and refuse to accept reported data. Funnily enough, your narcissistic anecdotes are another type of fallacy related to your confirmation bias.

Let’s revisit why I commented again:

Your ignorance is due to you believing your personal anecdotal evidence is qualified in any way to dismiss Autopilot issues as an experiment.

You’ve drawn a conclusion using fallacious information. That’s it.

Agreed.

eye roll I’m so ignorant. My CompE Master’s and my previous work in vision-based AI collision detection systems has left me woefully unprepared to have educated and qualified experience for this exact topic.

Why do you hate children?

I never mentioned children, don’t put words in my mouth. Keep deflecting.

:citation needed:

Here you go: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/10/tesla-autopilot-crashes-elon-musk/

Nifty: https://www.tesladeaths.com/

It protects human life.

I’m sure the 17+ dead human lives really appreciate this “protection”.

Maybe “results” wasn’t the right word. Dismissing the findings of engineers close to the technology might fit better, but I’m definitely calling the number of fatalities and accidents caused by Autopilot as results of Autopilot and therefore Tesla.

It is not my intention to attempt to change your mind on this technology though, I’m just pointing out your anecdotal experience is not significant and dismissing the findings of engineers close to the technology due to your own biases is incredibly ignorant. This mindset is harmful whether you accept that or not.

Best of luck and good day.

Are they? Maybe here in the EU they are, but growing up in American Suburbia, a car was a necessity.

I’m not going to go down your slippery slope of ever expanding scopes on convenience technology though.

If it was an “experiment” I would know about it because it would be driving erratically and attempting to kill me but instead it is “pretty good”.

Mate, that’s not an experiment lifecycle works at all. The ignorance on display here is palpable.

I would be very upset that there was such an irresponsible driver behind the wheel for sure. That’s not Tesla’s fault. You can’t blame Tesla because they added safety features to the car…

How convenient, you avoided answering my question at all! And rather blame the poor implementation of an inaccurate technology, disguised as a safety feature (that has directly caused 17 fatalities, mind you), you blame the user (victim). Actually, I’d make the argument this isn’t a “safety feature” at all, more of a convenience feature, but I digress.

Also there are dozens of other cars with this same technology on the road but everyone wants to pick on Tesla because it makes headlines.

I’ll gladly shit on all the other manufacturers implementing this technology. It’s all garbage if it poses a threat to a human life.

All of this is out of scope as my point is your anecdotal experience is not significant and dismissing results due to your own biases is quite ignorant.

Any accident caused by lane-assist technology is too many. I won’t accept the loss of human life for a convenience technology.

Yes, you’re correct. From source:

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) cautioned against using the numbers to compare automakers, saying it did not weight them by the number of vehicles from each manufacturer or how many miles those vehicles traveled.

I’m trying to find the Tesla:others ratio, but that’s proving a bit difficult.

A bit of a moot point in my eyes as I consider all 400 accidents unacceptable, but you are right, I shouldn’t use stats just to shit on Tesla.

Okay mate, why don’t you show us all what the “more informative measurement” is for this?

Considering 68.25% of all US crashes involving driver assist systems were due to Tesla Autopilot, I agree it’s an experiment.

Edit: let me clarify, ALL lane-assist based systems in my opinion are not ready for public road use. Tesla sucks, but they all suck if they are causing accidents and fatalities.

And you say that based on personal anecdotes, rather than education and design/testing/systems implementation experience.

Do you think 10k miles (unknown time frame, but my point stands even at one year) is a singular meaningful data point for the thousands (millions now?) of Autopilot enabled Teslas?

What is the right proportion for it to be blown up to your loved one was killed?

Edit: before anyone goes and reads all of this, I’ll sum it up:

This is a textbook argument from anecdote. They presented their anecdotal evidence and conclusion implying that because they’ve done 10k miles, it follows that Autopilot accidents shouldn’t be this big of a deal (blown out of proportion). A scalding hot garbage take. I got a little emotionally off topic with cause of deaths in a fallacious appeal to emotion.

Ah yes, “I’ve personally done this and I’m the most important, therefore it’s not true. It’s the experts and engineers who are wrong.”

Besides “everybody look at me!!”, what is your point?

Yeah, my assumptions are only as good as the data I was presented with, feel free to correct them.

I’m sick and tired of Americans saying “third party! woo!” like it’s a valid strategy in your abysmal political system. Maybe vote for valid options to improve your fellow citizen’s education at the local level before you spout off about a presidential third party

Is the MIC comment supposed to be a shot at the assumption I’m voting for one of the two major parties? Sorry to burst your bubble mate, but that ship sailed the moment I was granted my Dutch citizenship.

You agree yet are seemingly unaware that America’s modern two party system does not accommodate a third party. In fact, this stance for a third party is exactly why America ended up with Trump in 2016.

It’s shocking that you can’t see past your own ignorance that you are the product of that eroded public education system.

In addition to knowing less than nothing about semiconductor design and manufacturing, you have no idea about elemental composition of objects in space.

“they have more rare earth metals than any place in the Milky Way”

Now at 11! Iron, nickel, platinum, iridium, and more just hanging out in our solar system? Meet 16 Psyche! The dense, metal rich asteroid that has potential to supply the world with rare earth elements!

The Milky Way is a very, very large place my friend, there is an almost guaranteed certainty there is another body with a far higher concentration of what we call rare earth elements than China or the entirety of Earth itself.