And now the ad homs start.

Stop crying. The mods sided with you monsters. You all openly defended rape and they sided with you. Learn to take your W.

Holy fuck, this thread has certainly revealed Lemmy to be a cesspool of incels and rape apologists, hasn’t it?

Jesus Christ. 🤦 This site is embarrassing to even be on.

You should take this as personally as possible: you are involuntarily celibate for a reason.

Oh lmfao

If you’re going to lie to my face, you could at least try to be subtle about it. At least motte & bailey yourself like a decent rape apologist knows how to do.

And that means we all should tolerate rape. Or violence, or even attempted murder. After all, the arbitrary line of not being dead is the only one that matters and who gives a fuck about our quality of life while we’re still alive? And it’s all the victim’s responsibility because rape is a normal, immutable part of life and we have to accept it. How convenient that you, the rape apologists, benefit while we suffer.

You can justify doing anything to anyone under that logic.

Also it falls apart because many rape victims commit suicide anyway, so this is a particularly disgusting rape apologist talking point. 🤦🤦🤦

Jesus Christ, Lemmy. What the actual fuck is wrong with you as a platform?

And so therefore a rape victim should just put up with rape and move on. They’re still alive so it doesn’t matter, and their rapist should be able to live with no consequences.

By your twisted logic, you can justify doing anything to anyone as long as you don’t kill them. Rape does affect everyone for life, especially the ones who have claimed they moved on from it.

What makes you think someone won’t turn around and use your own reasoning to justify doing something to you?

You parrot the same meaningless talking points every single thread that is both popular and a clear cut case to hold someone accountable for something.

You ramble about insane bullshit that has nothing to do with OP because you are here on some rape apologia anti-justice agenda.

You are angry at me trying to get something out of me when you don’t even have to.

Why? Because the mods are just as sexist and in support of rape apologia as you are. They’ve been deleting every comment at the top of the thread that uses the terms “rape apologia” or “rape apologist” while leaving up stuff that should also be banned under civility rules but supports their side. You could just go talk to a mod and have me banned, like you always do whenever I tell you you’re doing something wrong. So why be upset I won’t play your horrific game?

Go cry to them about how rapists don’t deserve to suffer consequences for their actions. Go cry to them how everyone else has to bear the burden and the threat of their presence because you think a rapist’s right to rape is more important than the human rights of other people. Go cry to them: they’ll agree with you. They’ve already shown they have.

Go. Go repeat your talking points to them. Go now. On your bike.

They’re rape apologists. Everything they’ve been doing is part of a framework of Motte and Baileys they have constructed to justify and defend rape, and rapists.

Notice they’re talking about the nature of trauma in life when this is actually a thread about OP dealing with a known sexual predator at work? How they have been talking about redemption, punishment, and the death penalty when NONE of those things are eve tangentially related to OP? That is purposeful and intentional.

They derail threads like this, where there are clear-cut cases to hold someone off, because they oppose accountability on a moral level.

They do it because they’re rape apologists.

It doesn’t matter because the only reason I even replied was because I didn’t realize you were purposefully derailing the thread to push an agenda, and using OP and his serious, personal situation to do it.

You and your goons have said, all over the thread, the most vile, disgusting, anti-woman shit, because the truth is you condone rape and don’t want to see other males suffer for it. It didn’t occur to you that you could suffer such a thing and have no recourse. You clearly dismiss the extreme moral crime of expecting a victim’s friend and potential victims to suffer under circumstances like that – of course, everyone else in that place can just go find another job, right? Rapists have the right to work wherever they want but not good, normal people. The world revolves around you and your ilk, after all.

You’re quite simply a rape apologist. There’s no way around it. And so are the mods of this sub apparently.

I would like you to stop being a rape apologist and actually think about someone other than yourself.

Helpful hint: Responding to this requires one line not 20 paragraphs.

You wouldn’t know it for the walls of text you and your ilk have been dropping on people in the thread non-stop all day, but sure, go ahead and completely ignore everything you were told so you can avoid facing how monstrous your stance is.

Hopefully you won’t ever be in a situation like OP. But then again, if you were, you’d destroy your relationships with your coworkers defending the rapist, so 🤷

You’re not getting your way, that’s why you keep talking. Every response you give has been nothing except the ignorant, petty, immature ramblings I’ve come to expect out of Lemmy. Saying and doing anything to try to win a confrontation instead of sitting down and thinking about what you and your opponent is saying, and that’s why I say this is why Lemmy is a perfect sample of America and why therefore America needs to crash and burn.

And you do. And you likely will at the end of the year, and it’ll be sad, so sad, but you have brought every single ounce of the consequences you’ve been building up onto yourselves.

It never occurs to you that your behavior is alienating people away from Democrats and convincing people to vote third party in this next election either, but you don’t actually give a shit about the future of your country so of course you wouldn’t. 🤷

Not my problem. It’s all on you.

Then don’t waste my time arguing with me trying to convince me to change my opinion of you, because until you change, and Lemmy itself changes, you’re not going to get your way. It’s as simple as that.

Seriously, that was my only comment and now I’m also a rapist according to you.

No, I said you’re a rape apologist. And you are. And a particularly gross one too, being that you’re sitting here claiming you’ve been sexually assaulted like that’s supposed to make actual rape apologia coming from you somehow valid or palatable. That claim actually makes your stance worse. If you’re telling the truth, you’re hurting other rape victims by arguing that they need to suffer the presence of a rapist, and live with their safety constantly being in jeopardy, simply because you allowed yourself to become brainwashed by a rape culture so you could gain access to comfort. And like all rape victims who have been brainwashed – if you’re not just some lying neckbeard, then you’re not the first brainwashed sap I’ve run into in my life and you sadly wouldn’t be the last – you of course latch onto every dumb ass talking point the rape culture tells you to because you can’t handle the reality of what you have done to yourself. You sold your soul for a place in society, and you drag down other victims, denying them their own safety, just so you don’t have to face what you’ve done.

Do you know the story of the two wolves named Comfort and Dignity? If not, go look it up. Or I’ll tell it. You need to learn it.

But it’s obvious you’re just here with a shitty political agenda regardless, because you came in here with a wall of text talking about vengeance when no one even fucking brought it up. No one brought up vengeance anywhere except for you and your ilk. We over here on Team Justice are talking about convincing HR to fire his dumb ass which is not only well within their rights to do, it is their moral responsibility as a member of the community. You are arguing specifically that they do not, to appease you, at the cost of dignity, safety, and the human rights of everyone else in that workplace. No one brought up Norway or Nordic countries except you and your ilk, because it’s a common talking point in the sales pitch you inundate Lemmy and Reddit threads with to push an anti-victim, anti-justice political agenda.

So you obviously don’t care about rape victims. So don’t sit here and claim to be a rape victim and act like that’s gonna inspire sympathy. It won’t work on me, honey.

I was sexually assaulted too and I never sold out like you did. I didn’t give up on justice. You bear the burden of that. OP’s friend should never have to.

You’re disgusting and vile.

You’re here doing nothing but criticizing the fact that I am arguing with you instead of thinking about what I said and realizing you simply misunderstood, so yes. You are a perfect example of that lowest common denominator.

You want my opinion to change? Delete your responses to me, apologize to me for wasting my time, and move on.

Wow, holy shit 🤣 Okay, let’s break this down:

This is an understandable sentiment, but telling everyone about the charges for which this person has served their sentence in order to rally the rest of the workplace to look for ways to get them sacked is super-likely to see you face consequences for bullying.

Uniting with other people who feel the same way isn’t bullying, it’s a sign the complaint is legitimate. If a group of people complaining about another coworker is bullying, then nothing could be done about anyone. And they couldn’t unionize either.

Bottom line is, employees coming together over a common problem, even one employee rallying others, is done for many legitimate reasons, situations like this included. Even if you don’t agree with anything standing in the way of a known rapist working around women.

If you don’t want to work with this person, consider explaining the circumstances to HR (noting that your friend was a victim), and say it’ll be too traumatic to work alongside them. This seems like a reasonable request to me, which should be accommodated - particularly if HR are already aware of the conviction.

Which will force the victim, or potential victim, to cede territory to the rapist, enabling the rapist to continue harming others. 🤔 Legally, it may or may not benefit OP depending on how they respond, but it’s really not asking enough. They need to ask for the rapist to be moved. For which they’ll need the backing of other people.

If you want vengeance, figure out a way that isn’t going to put your livelihood in jeopardy.

No one even mentioned vengeance. Strawman elsewhere.

Don’t squeeze more negative consequences out of an already shitty situation.

Hahaha you just come right the fuck out and say it.

No negative consequences for rape allowed, rapists should be able to rape and live their lives unabated.

And if we say otherwise, well, negative consequences might come upon us.

Finally, you need to consider the society you’re advocating for -

Ironically I agree with you. This is a horrifying authoritarian slave racket masquerading as a representative democracy, which is run by rapists. And we unironically do have to consider their feelings, because they are the cops, judges and employers who tell others what to do and can do anything they want to you with no consequences. If we let offenders experience consequences on others for doing terrible things, that means they might have to face the music, and we all know they shouldn’t have to handle that.

No man should have to experience consequences for rape. It’d be too much of a threat to the society that built itself on rape.

if we’re abandoning the rule of law to keep people out of work and unable to support themselves after serving their time, we’re relegating them to be either wards of the state or homeless. We’ve already seen the issues caused by felons being barred from voting and its interplay with racial and political dynamics - how do you think manufacturing a desperate criminal underclass will work out for society?

1. A company is not an agent of the law and what it does has no bearing on the rule of law

2. Banning rapists from working around women in no wa would break the rule of law if it was an actual law. We already have sex offender registries and yet somehow the world will keep on turning

3. Rapists can go take jobs that doesn’t require them to be around other people.

4. Blackmailing and threatening us with the implied threat of harm from disenfranchised rapists is the exact same vengeance you accuse your opponents of having. You literally became exactly what you claim to hate. You. The one wielding it like an emotional cudgel when no one brought it up. But it is certainly like you to project your faults onto others. It’s what rape apologists do, after all.

No no, no no no. I am talking to you, the Lemmy clowns who serve as a perfect example and sample of American thought and political discourse. The hypocritical, cruel, sexist ones. The ones who are a perfect example of why America as a whole is fucked and needs to be burnt to the ground.

You’re terrible people. And by extension so is the country most of you come from.

Even the few Europeans and Canadians here aren’t any better.

Criticizing my response instead of directing it is exactly the kind of shit behavior I’m talking about. Thanks for proving me right about you, like you always do.

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