• Wanderer@lemm.ee
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    This war is going to go on until at at least till Putin dies won’t it?

    Russians really fucked themselves on this one. But it looks more and more like they are just willing to kill themselves and Ukraine to save face. It looks like the only hope for Ukraine is to attrition the Russian military while sanctions are ongoing that the Russians get so pissed off at their shitty lives that they do something. But the Russians aren’t famous for doing anything about their shitty lives so I doubt that’s going to happen soon.

    Hopefully Ukraine can destroy enough AA to use these planes to get effect next year.

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    Are we going to be sending them pilots as well or do they just expect them to start the long training process to learn how to fly them and hope the pointless (but Russia’s fault) war lasts long enough to use them?

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      The pilots will be Ukrainian from what I understand. But the planes are owned by the respective countries. The only reason for the sensationalist headline, beside clickbait, is because the F-16 is an American made fighter jet.

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        The fact the f16 is US made means a country cannot give it to another country without the US approval. It is the case for all armaments. The producing country must allow the transfer.

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          This is true. But the headlines like to make it appear as though they are from US bases

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      I’m as left as they come and if those idiots from across the aisle see this as a lucrative deal for weapons manufacturers then so be it. Russia needs to be stood up to.

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          Lol like Ukraine did with their nukes?

          So who’s going to disarm first? If the Russians disarm and fuck off home then yeah, war’s over. But what you’ve actually got are genocidal murderers and rapists trying to destroy a nation of people, and you in your armchair saying that we should allow it to continue. These are actual, real people. But feel free to head over there and spread the good word.

          The aggressors can stop whenever they want to. Suggesting that Ukraine shouldn’t have the means to protect itself is utterly ignorant.

          What the fuck has this got to do with right or left wing?

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          How are you gonna do that? Its a prisoner’s dilemma. You only need one regime (america/North Korea/ Russia…) to not abide. Good luck

          With kind regards,

          A “right winger(?)”

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    Meanwhile, the people in Maui who lost their homes and everything they’ve ever owned get a one time payment of $700.

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      These jets were already sold to the Danes and Dutch, we’re just giving them the green light to send planes made by us to Ukraine to help free their people from oppressors

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        If they had instead sent those F-16s to the people of Maui they could have dropped napalm to create a firebreak ahead of the fire, saving hundreds of lives

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      Youre right, the Dutch should donate their old F16s to the suffering people of Maui because… Uhhh…

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      You are right…. There should be a climate damage levy imposed on Exxon to help cover these extreme weather events and the people directly affected by their actions.

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      As much as I hate the idea that America is a capitalist hellscape that minces the poor to make ‘line go up’.

      Sometimes there’s this unfortunate coincidence where the military industrial complex inadvertently does some good.

      Russians are going to learn why America doesn’t have the money for universal healthcare.

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      Funny how nobody ever makes these sorts of comments about, say, money we spend paying farmers to not grow corn, or money we spend on overpriced or useless weapons systems for our own military, or even specifically the military aid we give to wealthier, less deserving countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel; it’s always Ukraine that brings out the “how come we aren’t spending money on X” people.

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        They’re either paid shills, or braindead useful idiots. Russia cultivates both types for propaganda.

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          You know I’ve been noticing a heck of a lot of communists on Lemmy the past week. It’s crazy, there’s this whole gaggle of people posting on socialism, hex bear, Games, vegan topics and related threads.

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              A particular type of Communist colloquially known as “tankies” tend to suck up the Russian propaganda the same way alt-right people do.

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      I think everybody who’s reading this thread is going to fail to see the connection you’re trying to draw between Hawaiian Electric and light and the Ukrainian military.

      Unless you have some sort of evidence that Ukraine owns and operates Hawaiian Electric and will somehow benefit from Hawaiians losing their ancestral homes.

      I mean, I’ve seen some stupid conspiracies of my time but this is just dumb.

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      in international weapons sales manufacturer’s country retains some degree of control over equipment even after sale, especially for heavy equipment like any aircraft, SPGs, SAMs, tanks and so on. so for example if Country A sells jets to Country B to serve in Country B’s air force, that’s all clear, but if then Country B wants to sell them somewhere else, it has to get Country A’s approval. otherwise, if these jets mysteriously find themselves in Country C’s air force, that happens to be enemy of Country A, then Country B can probably forget about any weapon deals with Country A and their allies for a long long time in addition to diplomatic mess it would cause

      this is that approval given from usa to nederlands and denmark, no money is involved

      there was little shitshow about it early in the war, because ammo for gepards was made in switzerland, and they didn’t approve of sale from germany to ukraine