Yeah, it is. Actual industry practice - impregnate cow mechanically without consent, bring baby cow to term, kill majority of baby cows for veal after separation after a few days from birth, repeat after cows stops producing milk, until cow is used up (around 10 years IIRC, a fraction of their normal lifespan) and also killed for meat.
This is an example of behavior that pushes anyone who isn’t a militant vegan away. I even know vegans who have second thoughts about their decisions over attitudes like those represented in the comment above me.
In all fairness that heavily depends on the type of farming. I highly doubt mass farmed chickens have it better than their wild counterparts given they have about 2cm² of space available before they have to trample on another chicken.
Free range farming however I absolutely agree is better for the animals than living in the wild. Imo given the various benefits (mostly the extremely reduced need for antibiotics, seriously we have to stop feeding them to animals: it’s biting us in the ass already) it offers over industrial scale farming we should move back to it.
In all fairness that heavily depends on the type of farming. I highly doubt mass farmed chickens have it better than their wild counterparts given they have about 2cm² of space available before they have to trample on another chicken.
I’ve seen a chicken who escaped a fox. It lived for DAYS. I’d take a battery cage over that. But I do take your point to heart.
Free range farming however I absolutely agree is better for the animals than living in the wild. Imo given the various benefits (mostly the extremely reduced need for antibiotics, seriously we have to stop feeding them to animals: it’s biting us in the ass already) it offers over industrial scale farming we should move back to it.
100%. My home state has free range laws and I fully support them. Our eggs went up about $1/dozen, not exactly a big deal. I would 100% support humane treatment regulations that nominally increase the price of meat products.
And I agree about feeding animals antibiotics. I understood why they did it in the first place, but now that we know it’s harmful it needs to stop.
Unless you consider the fact that the only reason they need milking is that they were forced into pregnancy in the first place.
that’s still not abuse
Yeah, it is. Actual industry practice - impregnate cow mechanically without consent, bring baby cow to term, kill majority of baby cows for veal after separation after a few days from birth, repeat after cows stops producing milk, until cow is used up (around 10 years IIRC, a fraction of their normal lifespan) and also killed for meat.
Talking about cows giving consent for sex is peak insanity. Do you think bulls take a cow out for a few dates beforehand?
No, I don’t. Do you think the behavior of animals justifies human behavior?
no one suggested that.
The normal lifespan of a dairy cow is 5 years. two and a half to 3 years for beef cattle.
The natural lifespan of a cow is ~25 years.
no it’s not.
it makes no sense to discuss consent from cows. do you get consent from a lamp when you turn it on?
almost no cows end up as veal.
Ya know, all you’re doing here is advertising the fact that you have no empathy whatsoever.
Literally nothing else.
This is an example of behavior that pushes anyone who isn’t a militant vegan away. I even know vegans who have second thoughts about their decisions over attitudes like those represented in the comment above me.
I’m not vegan I just don’t lie to myself
Neither do I. If I had my say, everyone would spend some time on a farm and kill their own food at least once.
There is empathy, and there is misappropriation. Farmed animals have it better than wild animals.
In all fairness that heavily depends on the type of farming. I highly doubt mass farmed chickens have it better than their wild counterparts given they have about 2cm² of space available before they have to trample on another chicken.
Free range farming however I absolutely agree is better for the animals than living in the wild. Imo given the various benefits (mostly the extremely reduced need for antibiotics, seriously we have to stop feeding them to animals: it’s biting us in the ass already) it offers over industrial scale farming we should move back to it.
I’ve seen a chicken who escaped a fox. It lived for DAYS. I’d take a battery cage over that. But I do take your point to heart.
100%. My home state has free range laws and I fully support them. Our eggs went up about $1/dozen, not exactly a big deal. I would 100% support humane treatment regulations that nominally increase the price of meat products.
And I agree about feeding animals antibiotics. I understood why they did it in the first place, but now that we know it’s harmful it needs to stop.
i have empathy. cows giving birth and producing milk isn’t abuse.
Makes sense you are a pro lifer
i’m a what?
A person who thinks it’s okay to force pregnancy and birth onto other life forms. In the US we call these assholes “republicans”
everyone thinks that’s ok: how could we have beer, bread, fruits, or veggies without it? that’s not a republican, it’s just a human.
Ah yes the “well plants are alive too!” Argument that never worked before and still doesn’t